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Keenly

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Good news for our friend CJ, bad for freedom


Obama Information Czar Calls For Banning Free Speech

Paul Joseph Watson
Thursday, January 14, 2010









The controversy surrounding White House information czar and Harvard Professor Cass Sunstein’s blueprint for the government to infiltrate political activist groups has deepened, with the revelation that in the same 2008 dossier he also called for the government to tax or even ban outright political opinions of which it disapproved.



Sunstein was appointed by President Obama to head up the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, an agency within the Executive Office of the President.




On page 14 of Sunstein’s January 2008 white paper entitled “Conspiracy Theories,” the man who is now Obama’s head of information technology in the White House proposed that each of the following measures “will have a place under imaginable conditions” according to the strategy detailed in the essay.



1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing.

2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories.​
That’s right, Obama’s information czar wants to tax or ban outright, as in make illegal, political opinions that the government doesn’t approve of. To where would this be extended? A tax or a shut down order on newspapers that print stories critical of our illustrious leaders?​
And what does Sunstein define as “conspiracy theories” that should potentially be taxed or outlawed by the government? Opinions held by the majority of Americans, no less.



The notion that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone in killing JFK, a view shared by the vast majority of Americans in every major poll over the last ten years, is an example of a “conspiracy theory” that the federal government should consider censoring, according to Sunstein.




A 1998 CBS poll found that just 10 per cent of Americans believed that Oswald acted alone, so apparently the other 90 per cent of Americans could be committing some form of thought crime by thinking otherwise under Sunstein’s definition.



Sunstein also cites the belief that “global warming is a deliberate fraud” as another marginal conspiracy theory to be countered by government action. In reality, the majority of Americans now believe that the man-made explanation of global warming is not true, and that global warming is natural, according to the latest polls.
But Sunstein saves his most ludicrous example until last. On page 5 he characterizes as “false and dangerous” the idea that exposure to sunlight is healthy, despite the fact that top medical experts agree prolonged exposure to sunlight reduces the risk of developing certain cancers.



To claim that encouraging people to get out in the sun is to peddle a dangerous conspiracy theory is like saying that promoting the breathing of fresh air is also a thought crime. One can only presume that Sunstein is deliberately framing the debate by going to such absurd extremes so as to make any belief whatsoever into a conspiracy theory unless it’s specifically approved by the kind of government thought police system he is pushing for.




Despite highlighting the fact that repressive societies go hand in hand with an increase in “conspiracy theories,” Sunstein’s ’solution’ to stamp out such thought crimes is to ban free speech, fulfilling the precise characteristic of the “repressive society” he warns against elsewhere in the paper.



“We could imagine circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that censorship would be thinkable,” he writes on page 20.



Remember that Sunstein is not just talking about censoring Holocaust denial or anything that’s even debatable in the context of free speech, he’s talking about widely accepted beliefs shared by the majority of Americans but ones viewed as distasteful by the government, which would seek to either marginalize by means of taxation or outright censor such views.​
No surprise therefore that Sunstein has called for re-writing the First Amendment as well as advocating Internet censorship and even proposing that Americans should celebrate tax day and be thankful that the state takes a huge chunk of their income.
The government has made it clear that growing suspicion towards authority is a direct threat to their political agenda and indeed Sunstein admits this on page 3 of his paper.



That is why they are now engaging in full on information warfare in an effort to undermine, disrupt and eventually outlaw organized peaceful resistance to their growing tyranny.​
 

jeff f

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Good news for our friend CJ, bad for freedom


Obama Information Czar Calls For Banning Free Speech

Paul Joseph WatsonThursday, January 14, 2010



The controversy surrounding White House information czar and Harvard Professor Cass Sunstein’s blueprint for the government to infiltrate political activist groups has deepened, with the revelation that in the same 2008 dossier he also called for the government to tax or even ban outright political opinions of which it disapproved.​





Sunstein was appointed by President Obama to head up the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, an agency within the Executive Office of the President.​





On page 14 of Sunstein’s January 2008 white paper entitled “Conspiracy Theories,” the man who is now Obama’s head of information technology in the White House proposed that each of the following measures “will have a place under imaginable conditions” according to the strategy detailed in the essay.​




1) Government might ban conspiracy theorizing.​




2) Government might impose some kind of tax, financial or otherwise, on those who disseminate such theories.​


That’s right, Obama’s information czar wants to tax or ban outright, as in make illegal, political opinions that the government doesn’t approve of. To where would this be extended? A tax or a shut down order on newspapers that print stories critical of our illustrious leaders?


And what does Sunstein define as “conspiracy theories” that should potentially be taxed or outlawed by the government? Opinions held by the majority of Americans, no less.​






The notion that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone in killing JFK, a view shared by the vast majority of Americans in every major poll over the last ten years, is an example of a “conspiracy theory” that the federal government should consider censoring, according to Sunstein.​





A 1998 CBS poll found that just 10 per cent of Americans believed that Oswald acted alone, so apparently the other 90 per cent of Americans could be committing some form of thought crime by thinking otherwise under Sunstein’s definition.​





Sunstein also cites the belief that “global warming is a deliberate fraud” as another marginal conspiracy theory to be countered by government action. In reality, the majority of Americans now believe that the man-made explanation of global warming is not true, and that global warming is natural, according to the latest polls.

But Sunstein saves his most ludicrous example until last. On page 5 he characterizes as “false and dangerous” the idea that exposure to sunlight is healthy, despite the fact that top medical experts agree prolonged exposure to sunlight reduces the risk of developing certain cancers.​





To claim that encouraging people to get out in the sun is to peddle a dangerous conspiracy theory is like saying that promoting the breathing of fresh air is also a thought crime. One can only presume that Sunstein is deliberately framing the debate by going to such absurd extremes so as to make any belief whatsoever into a conspiracy theory unless it’s specifically approved by the kind of government thought police system he is pushing for.​





Despite highlighting the fact that repressive societies go hand in hand with an increase in “conspiracy theories,” Sunstein’s ’solution’ to stamp out such thought crimes is to ban free speech, fulfilling the precise characteristic of the “repressive society” he warns against elsewhere in the paper.​





“We could imagine circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that censorship would be thinkable,” he writes on page 20.​




Remember that Sunstein is not just talking about censoring Holocaust denial or anything that’s even debatable in the context of free speech, he’s talking about widely accepted beliefs shared by the majority of Americans but ones viewed as distasteful by the government, which would seek to either marginalize by means of taxation or outright censor such views.

No surprise therefore that Sunstein has called for re-writing the First Amendment as well as advocating Internet censorship and even proposing that Americans should celebrate tax day and be thankful that the state takes a huge chunk of their income.

The government has made it clear that growing suspicion towards authority is a direct threat to their political agenda and indeed Sunstein admits this on page 3 of his paper.​





That is why they are now engaging in full on information warfare in an effort to undermine, disrupt and eventually outlaw organized peaceful resistance to their growing tyranny.​

wow, at least their arent a bunch of marxist. i hate to say i told ya so but i told ya so.

liberal is such a misnomer these days. face it, liberals of these times are straight up marxist. you would never heard a liberal calling for banning speech in the sixties. not that i can recall.
 

jeff f

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what do the sixties have to do with now?

it has to do with the attitude of the people we call liberal. a sixties lib wouldnt call for banning speech. todays libs want to if it doesnt agree with them. sixties libs wanted the govt to let them alone. todays lib wants the govt to run everything.

get it?
 
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Keenly

Guest
ah i see what you mean the ideas behind liberal thinking have changed over time
 

herbose

Well-Known Member
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, where's MY tin foil hat.........a conspiracy to outlaw conspiracy theories? That's got to be the ultimate conspiracy theory. HAHAHAHAHAHAH AD INFINITUM!
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Yet another example of the type of person the POTUS has chosen to surround himself with.
The dazzling brilliance of Sunstein's intellect is blinding!
It is truly no wonder that Obama is on a sharp downward trajectory in public approval ratings.
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
60's liberals had more in common with left Libertarians then the Progressives.
The only way they could get away with this now is to use good old FDR's playbook.
IMO this sort of censorship was illegal then and it should be illegal now under the 1st ammendment.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
lol.

So opening a discussion about the costs of spreading garbage and being told by internet nutjobs is a bad thing?

Is that what the 14+ page paper was about, did you read that?

If not this is just another conspiracy theory.
 

ilkhan

Well-Known Member
Here Hanimal I speak Conspiracy Thorist. :)

When your a CT you have to watch out for the Missinfo.
Many times "They" like to start rumors that are totally not true
just to watch you fumble around making an ass of yourself.

Its a great way to keep "them" in power and discredit opposition.
Focus on the FED that is the heart of the problem
without that system "they" loose control.
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

Well-Known Member
Curious why you started this thread with good for CJ (cracker i assume?)..bad for freedom. If you haven't noticed CJ is pretty conservative. Don't quote me on this...actually do...I'm sure he supports freedom of speech.

This thread makes no sense. this won't happen. if they can't even pass socialized health care with the most liberal congress they've ever seen they aren't going to be able to pass a bill banning free speech.
 

jeffchr

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this is another lie - quotes from a paper Sunstein co-authored, but taken out of context. it is just juxtaposed bullshit and a total fabrication of Sunstein's intention. Sunstein was delineating a broad selection of potential defenses to a harmful conspiracy theory. not suggestions, just a broad spectrum of possible thoughts on the subject. potentially put into action, but not advocated by Sunstein himself. further on down the read Sunstein does make some suggestions for defending against a harmful conspiracy theory, and those two suggestions (the "ban" and the "tax") are not included and specifically rejected by Sunstein.

in your post Keenly, you have some additional quotes from Stunstein's paper, but after learning of the totally bogus distortion of the very first issue you raised, i decided to waste no further time on this obvious Rovian bullshit.
 

NoDrama

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this is another lie - quotes from a paper Sunstein co-authored, but taken out of context. it is just juxtaposed bullshit and a total fabrication of Sunstein's intention. Sunstein was delineating a broad selection of potential defenses to a harmful conspiracy theory. not suggestions, just a broad spectrum of possible thoughts on the subject. potentially put into action, but not advocated by Sunstein himself. further on down the read Sunstein does make some suggestions for defending against a harmful conspiracy theory, and those two suggestions (the "ban" and the "tax") are not included and specifically rejected by Sunstein.

in your post Keenly, you have some additional quotes from Stunstein's paper, but after learning of the totally bogus distortion of the very first issue you raised, i decided to waste no further time on this obvious Rovian bullshit.
Keenly Didn't write it, Paul Joseph Watson wrote it, every word. Check out the first link Keenly so cleverly inserted.

I do hate to see many things linked to prison planet and anything to do with Alex Jones or info wars, they have their place but honest journalism isn't one of them. Media people are all the same, they just want attention and money and power, just like everyone else. They will do what it takes to get it and if that means taking things out of context or outright making things up they are not above it. Neither are CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, FoX etc etc etc. hell even PBS does it. They all have agendas.
 

jeffchr

Well-Known Member
there is honest journalism out there - a little discretion is required. i know keenly didn't write it, but he posted it. it doesn't matter who wrote that crap, it is being disseminated and that is defenseless.
 

ViRedd

New Member
If government can "outlaw" conspiracy theories, what will stop government from claiming that anyone who disagrees with present policy is fomenting a conspiracy theory?

Take a look at the history of the Progressive movement. One of their signatures is censorship of those who disagree. The Progressive movement is a movement that cannot stand up under the bright lights of the truth, and they know it.

The Wilson administration locked up over 100,000 citizens for the crime of "sedition." The Roosevelt administration, in coordination with progressive book publishers successfully blacked balled Paleo-conservative authors who were in opposition to FDR's building of the welfare state, the confiscation of the citizen's gold, the Federal Reserve Act and the federal income tax.

And while were at it, let's not forget the racism and elitism of the Progressive movement either. Wilson was an advocate of eugenics in order to purify the races. Roosevelt locked up over 100,000 INNOCENT American citizens after confiscating their land and wealth based upon their race during WWII.

Would it really surprise any student of history if the Progressives now in control of all three branches of our government made a move to censor conservative ideas? Fairness Doctrine, anyone??
 

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

Well-Known Member
Fairness Doctrine, anyone??
Just another scaremare by the Right, Obama already said he does not support that. That's still not good enough. I'm still pissed about the FCC and the Government on what they Did to Stern. Just goes to show you can't keep free speech silenced IMO.
 
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