Zimmerman sues NBC

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
I don't consider having one's head bashed against the sidewalk a technicality.

He was away from his truck when the dispatcher gave him the advice. He was returning to his truck.

I too am mystified how you (or anybody) can look at:
1. the injuries sustained by Zimmerman and the complete lack of injuries sustained by Martin.
2. the eye witness statement that Martin was aboard Zimmerman pummeling him.
3. the 45 seconds of recording where we hear Zimmerman screaming for help.
4. the fact that Zimmerman called the police BEFORE the whole incident.
5. the statements of the responding police officer, and fire department EMT personnel, which corroborate Zimmerman's account.
6. the fact that no charges were brought against Zimmerman until after LOTS of race-based political pressure.
7. the fact that Zimmerman took and passed a lie detector test the morning after the shooting.
8. the fact that Zimmerman cooperated completely with police after the shooting.
9. the fact that NBC and ABC tag teamed each other to lie about the whole incident.
10. the fact that the affidavit of probable cause is an empty vessel.
11. After hearing the term, "white-hispanic" in the unbiased reporting of network television.
12. After listening to UB wander far and wide in his eye witness testimony to the whole incident.
13...

It's a fucking avalanche of circumstantial evidence, physical evidence, and witness testimony that only points to one logical conclusion.
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he wasn't going back to his truck and admitted as much, idiot. check the interrogations.
 
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Carthoris

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cannabineer said:
I'm sure you know that scalp woulds are famously bloody. So the 45% blood coverage doesn't mean that much. Once the blood was cleaned up, the lacerations were few and small. The jury will see that as well.
But you might be right. I can't predict what a jury will make of it. cn
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Once cleaned up, bullet holes are small too. Spray Martin's body off with a hose and say "Hey, he wasn't even hurt that bad."

UB, do you think that Martin didn't do that to Zimmerman's face?
 
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Carthoris

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desert dude said:
I do know that. Do you know that fractured skulls are notoriously life threatening? Do you know that skull against concrete often results in fractured skull?

How long does an attacker have to bash your head against the concrete walk before you decide that you have had enough? When your skull is bashed against the side walk, do you calmly whisper inwardly, "not to fear, scalp wounds are notoriously bloody, soon this young man will tire and then we can discuss this like civilized people."
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UB said he got that while tackling poor little black kids in the grass.
 
Harrekin

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Carthoris said:
UB said he got that while tackling poor little black kids in the grass.
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Which is ironic because Trayvon is bigger, heavier, more athletic and in better shape that Zimmerman.

I still wish they'd just killed each other like real men, then this bullshit wouldn't have like 1000 pages of discussion.
 
cannabineer

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desert dude said:
I don't consider having one's head bashed against the sidewalk a technicality.

He was away from his truck when the dispatcher gave him the advice. He was returning to his truck.

I too am mystified how you (or anybody) can look at:
1. the injuries sustained by Zimmerman and the complete lack of injuries sustained by Martin.
2. the eye witness statement that Martin was aboard Zimmerman pummeling him.
3. the 45 seconds of recording where we hear Zimmerman screaming for help.
4. the fact that Zimmerman called the police BEFORE the whole incident.
5. the statements of the responding police officer, and fire department EMT personnel, which corroborate Zimmerman's account.
6. the fact that no charges were brought against Zimmerman until after LOTS of race-based political pressure.
7. the fact that Zimmerman took and passed a lie detector test the morning after the shooting.
8. the fact that Zimmerman cooperated completely with police after the shooting.
9. the fact that NBC and ABC tag teamed each other to lie about the whole incident.
10. the fact that the affidavit of probable cause is an empty vessel.
11. After hearing the term, "white-hispanic" in the unbiased reporting of network television.
12. After listening to UB wander far and wide in his eye witness testimony to the whole incident.
13...

It's a fucking avalanche of circumstantial evidence, physical evidence, and witness testimony that only points to one logical conclusion.
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Do we have any certainty that Z's head was made to contact sidewalk? I don't, and you are treating it as established.

Carthoris said:
Once cleaned up, bullet holes are small too. Spray Martin's body off with a hose and say "Hey, he wasn't even hurt that bad."

UB, do you think that Martin didn't do that to Zimmerman's face?
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Oh come now. The bullet hole was a deep injury. Yes; you could hose away the blood, but there is no comparing a cleaned-up bullet would with all its internal trauma ... to a coupla scalp nicks with no internal trauma, no concussion, nowt but external drama. cn
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Then you'd be totally fucked. That broken nail would cause so much pain, you'd describe your attacker as 15 feet tall, glowing red eyes, horns and steam coming out of his nose. Your description of events would be very credible.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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UncleBuck said:
zimm said so, doesn't matter that every last witness saw or heard it happen in the grass.
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Does American grass come completely without rocks and stones.

Let us in on that technological break through...terraforming doesn't even officially exist yet and you guys are doing it already.

Cos there's no way Van-tray could've hit Zimmermans head off a rock on/in the grass which could've been perceived as a sidewalk or other hard/concrete surface.

Iv no love for Zimmerman whatsoever, but the crying liberals need to put the pitchforks and torches away.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
Does American grass come completely without rocks and stones.

Let us in on that technological break through...terraforming doesn't even officially exist yet and you guys are doing it already.

Cos there's no way Van-tray could've hit Zimmermans head off a rock on/in the grass which could've been perceived as a sidewalk or other hard/concrete surface.

Iv no love for Zimmerman whatsoever, but the crying liberals need to put the pitchforks and torches away.
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a rock in the grass would be consistent with zimm's scratches and witness descriptions of where the fight took place. makes sense to me.
 
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NoDrama

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desert dude said:
I don't consider having one's head bashed against the sidewalk a technicality.

He was away from his truck when the dispatcher gave him the advice. He was returning to his truck.

I too am mystified how you (or anybody) can look at:
1. the injuries sustained by Zimmerman and the complete lack of injuries sustained by Martin.
2. the eye witness statement that Martin was aboard Zimmerman pummeling him.
3. the 45 seconds of recording where we hear Zimmerman screaming for help.
4. the fact that Zimmerman called the police BEFORE the whole incident.
5. the statements of the responding police officer, and fire department EMT personnel, which corroborate Zimmerman's account.
6. the fact that no charges were brought against Zimmerman until after LOTS of race-based political pressure.
7. the fact that Zimmerman took and passed a lie detector test the morning after the shooting.
8. the fact that Zimmerman cooperated completely with police after the shooting.
9. the fact that NBC and ABC tag teamed each other to lie about the whole incident.
10. the fact that the affidavit of probable cause is an empty vessel.
11. After hearing the term, "white-hispanic" in the unbiased reporting of network television.
12. After listening to UB wander far and wide in his eye witness testimony to the whole incident.
13...

It's a fucking avalanche of circumstantial evidence, physical evidence, and witness testimony that only points to one logical conclusion.
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A preponderance of evidence.
 
skunky33

skunky33

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Carthoris said:
Saying I am racist doesn't make me one. I am not racist, I don't treat people differently. However, I respect others rights to do whatever they want. Racism is wrong, but there are lots of things I see as wrong and I don't think it is my place(or the governments) to change them if people aren't being hurt. Hurting and not helping isn't the same thing. If I have a hammer and my neighbor needs it and I tell him to fuck off then I am not hurting him, I am just not helping him. If I use my hammer to hit the neighbor, build a shed for myself on his property, or break his property then I am hurting him.

People who have totally different beliefs and a lack of respect for each other tend to polarize themselves further when together than they would go individually.
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Sooo...your neighbor's black?....lol
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
zimm's skull was not fractured and there is zero evidence of skull to concrete contact. all the witnesses saw it happen in the grass. all of them.
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Yea, a foot from the concrete. How did Zimmerman's head get scratched by grass? I could go outside right now and let someone beat my head into the grass til the cows come home and I wouldn't have half my head covered in blood.
 
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Carthoris

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UncleBuck said:
false. his credibility and judgment (see: lack thereof) will be on trial too.
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The point of a criminal case is that the prosecutor proves that you did something illegal. Your own responsibility is merely to prove that you MIGHT not have done something illegal.
 
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Carthoris

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cannabineer said:
Do we have any certainty that Z's head was made to contact sidewalk? I don't, and you are treating it as established.



Oh come now. The bullet hole was a deep injury. Yes; you could hose away the blood, but there is no comparing a cleaned-up bullet would with all its internal trauma ... to a coupla scalp nicks with no internal trauma, no concussion, nowt but external drama. cn
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The burden of proof is on the prosecutor to prove Zimmerman did something illegal. All Zimmerman has to do is show that he could of reasonably not did something. The point was that how something looks (A nose not broken, a fractured skull, a ruptured spleen, appendix bursting.) doesn't have any relevance on how you feel or what you think when it is happening.

Unless the prosecutor can prove Zimmerman beat himself up or that Zimmerman started the physical confrontation there is no way they are going to convict him of murder 2. Wouldn't it be manslaughter regardless?
 
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Carthoris

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Harrekin said:
Does American grass come completely without rocks and stones.

Let us in on that technological break through...terraforming doesn't even officially exist yet and you guys are doing it already.

Cos there's no way Van-tray could've hit Zimmermans head off a rock on/in the grass which could've been perceived as a sidewalk or other hard/concrete surface.

Iv no love for Zimmerman whatsoever, but the crying liberals need to put the pitchforks and torches away.
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Florida isn't like Ireland. Your country is all rock.:) Florida is sand in that area and the area looks to have been landscaped with a thicker type of grass. Most likely St Augustine. I would assume they tested for skin on the sidewalk and looked for blood. I am unsure why anyone is suggesting they weren't on the concrete at some point. The area where Martin died is a couple feet off the sidewalk and both people were roughly 6 foot tall. Even from the spot they found Martin's body after Zimmerman pushed him off of him it appears that if turned the right way someones head would touch the sidewalk. There is also what appears to be a water line shut off cover in the ground very close(painted white in the images, looks like a piece of paper on ground) that sometimes have metal covers.
 
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