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AlecTheGardener

AlecTheGardener

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Figgy said:
Really? So not murdering kids isn't something that everyone knows to be true without being told so? I strongly disagree.

Not the perception of evil. But evil as being an argument for the existence of God. I admit this is not the strongest argument, but it is more for than against God's existence.

Nothing historically accurate? This is factually wrong according to the majority of historians on the planet. If it is not accurate, then any history past a couple hundred years isnot either. You have to judge all history by the same standards. When that is done, it is the most historically accurate book by far of its time.

The fine tuning argument is math. Very simple. Penrose found the probability of our universe permitting life to be less than 1 for every particle in the universe. That is such ridiculous odds that only the blind would not see the argument for it.

Anything else you want to bring up?

Better ideas, but still poorly made arguments. I'm still winning guys.
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I am sure Occam's Razor applies fully to you argument here; because probabilities: omnipotent being.

No, the style of your argument defeats itself I believe. Probabilities are amazing! Did you know that insane improbable things are going on RIGHT NOW. Someone was just struck by a lighting strike while I was typing this argument, there weren't even any clouds nearby. The victim was subject to an extremely, nay, an improbable event. The same thing will happen in the next fifteen minutes or so, maybe sooner. The amount of matter that exists transcends your understanding of probabilities.

Quantum particle physics also states that if I push my hands together ALMOST until the end of time, they will physically pass through one another. Unlikely, but it is proofed!

Life could easily occur given enough time.
 
heckler73

heckler73

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ChesusRice said:
You have convinced me god is real.
I am now a follower of Islam and the latter day saints.
They have books that prove they are right as well
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What about the Principia Discordia? Isn't it right, too?



Or The Way Out (referred to in several Harry S. Keeler novels)

 
Figgy

Figgy

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AlecTheGardener said:
I am sure Occam's Razor applies fully to you argument here; because probabilities: omnipotent being.

No, the style of your argument defeats itself I believe. Probabilities are amazing! Did you know that insane improbable things are going on RIGHT NOW. Someone was just struck by a lighting strike while I was typing this argument, there weren't even any clouds nearby. The victim was subject to an extremely, nay, an improbable event. The same thing will happen in the next fifteen minutes or so, maybe sooner. The amount of matter that exists transcends your understanding of probabilities.

Quantum particle physics also states that if I push my hands together ALMOST until the end of time, they will physically pass through one another. Unlikely, but it is proofed!

Life could easily occur given enough time.
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I hope you are smart enough to understand that the fine tuning argument (that I listed, not explained) isn't the only argument for God. It's another piece to the puzzle. Don't play childish games here.

If you think the probability that Penrose calculated is anywhere near a possibility then I just can't agree. It's absolutely absurd at best.

End of time? Please tell me when that would be. An infinite universe, multiverse, oscillating universe, or are you admitting to the death of the universe according to the laws of thermodynamics?

Life can occur "easily" given enough time? That's funny, b/c scientists have absolutely no clue how life started. But I guess you know something they don't?
 
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ChesusRice

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Figgy said:
If God exists and created everything, including time, then he transcends time which means your argument is invalid. There is no cause and effect outside of time.

Next question? And please, no more beginner questions, unless you are actually looking for an answer.
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That explains
Everything
 
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ChesusRice

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Figgy said:
I hope you are smart enough to understand that the fine tuning argument (that I listed, not explained) isn't the only argument for God. It's another piece to the puzzle. Don't play childish games here.

If you think the probability that Penrose calculated is anywhere near a possibility then I just can't agree. It's absolutely absurd at best.

End of time? Please tell me when that would be. An infinite universe, multiverse, oscillating universe, or are you admitting to the death of the universe according to the laws of thermodynamics?

Life can occur "easily" given enough time? That's funny, b/c scientists have absolutely no clue how life started. But I guess you know something they don't?
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Lots of theorys of how life started
But they may be too "sciency" for you

 
Figgy

Figgy

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ChesusRice said:
That explains
Everything
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I love your random contributions bongsmilie
UncleBuck said:
that's funny, because they pretty much know exactly how life started. chains of amino acids, proteins, etcetera.

it's pretty far out stuff, way cooler than that book you keep thumping.
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Yes, the theory is that is how it would have to happen. Key word of the day children: theory. It has NEVER been done by man. Scientists are not even remotely close to saying they are close to replicating their theory.

You loose a turn.
 
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ChesusRice

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Figgy said:
I love your random contributions bongsmilie

Yes, the theory is that is how it would have to happen. Key word of the day children: theory. It has NEVER been done by man. Scientists are not even remotely close to saying they are close to replicating their theory.

You loose a turn.
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And what science backs the loony theory of God existing?
 
Figgy

Figgy

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ChesusRice said:
And what science backs the loony theory of God existing?
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I absolutely LOVE your comebacks! Wait - let me dab, then you reply so I can laugh!

To answer you question though, the only possible science that can help the argument of God's existence is cosmology. Your question is misguiding though as science can only give information on current things that can be tested. You mine as well ask what science supports Newton discovering gravity. But to delve further down the rabbit hole quickly the Borde, Guth, Vilenkin theorem states that any universe that is in a state of expansion, such as ours, must have a beginning. The philosophy - If the universe began to exist, then something brought it into existence. Everything cannot come from nothing (the big bang theory), therefor a transcendent being (God) would be responsible. I do not buy into the multiverse or oscillating universe theories. They do not have enough supporting evidence.

That's the dumbed down argument for cosmology. I'm getting bored with these lessons. Just go watch some William Lane Craig debates in YouTube. That's about as good as it gets for theist/atheist debates. Hope you and UB learn something, and I do hope your state passes some kind of legalization. Best of luck.
 
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ChesusRice

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Not schooling me in anything.
Circular arguements are boring and reflect poorly on you.

You're very predictable and dull minded
 
AlecTheGardener

AlecTheGardener

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Figgy said:
I hope you are smart enough to understand that the fine tuning argument (that I listed, not explained) isn't the only argument for God. It's another piece to the puzzle. Don't play childish games here.

If you think the probability that Penrose calculated is anywhere near a possibility then I just can't agree. It's absolutely absurd at best.

End of time? Please tell me when that would be. An infinite universe, multiverse, oscillating universe, or are you admitting to the death of the universe according to the laws of thermodynamics?

Life can occur "easily" given enough time? That's funny, b/c scientists have absolutely no clue how life started. But I guess you know something they don't?
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We must agree to disagree. There was nothing childish about my previous reply, I am sorry others have you on edge. I wanted to discuss something civilly.

Given enough time any probability will occur, that was my only point.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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UncleBuck said:
aren't you the guy who called a bunch of neo-nazis "possibly bigoted" while shouting that i was racist?

shitloaf.
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It's ok man, you can admit you are happy it didn't pass. We will still not like you just the same.

I called people YOU labeled that way(it was white supremacist BTW) as possibly that way. After all, it was YOU who deemed them that way and YOU aren't exactly a good judge of character.

And look, another instance of name calling.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Figgy said:
- If the universe began to exist, then something brought it into existence. Everything cannot come from nothing (the big bang theory), therefor a transcendent being (God) would be responsible
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You've done nothing there except move starting point back one step.

You say something cannot come from nothing so where did your mythical creator come from?
 
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