Sharing proven soil recipe!

[greasemonkeymann]

like i said I'm not here to beat dicks or make money from fucking anyone i make 0.45$ a LB bottom fucking line i put EVERY god damn penny into making my soil system the best with the highest quality amendments... i done care in anyway about anything money wise regardless of what you may think.. i honest to go want large companies to eat their words and fail for providing nothing but shit to the consumer for their money everyone deserves the highest end organics and i promos if i could offer my system for 2$ a pound tomorrow i WOULD . and anyone thats been with us since we were 5$ a lb would tell you how much we have cut our prices just in the las year alone

so a ten lb bag you take home $4.50?
That's a helluva margin man, i wouldn't tell people that...
how much does a cubic foot of your soil weigh? Like 20 lbs? More?
A 12 gallon smartpot with your soil in it would be $$...

 

[phil k]

My wife would fuck me up if i grew and yielded that piece of shit.

this is the flower of the sour d.. hang drying 2 gallon plastic pail.. albs kind soil (8$ kind soil) ... lets be very fucking clear its a 2 gallon grow with 1 month veg from clone for anyone who wants to beat dicks


and please my system in a 7 would eat any organic system your running

Nope not a joke. #7 pot. Sour Diesel. Show me a 7 gallon pot of sour you've done. But you must know by the picture she's not even close to done. You must know that.

okay dumbs let me show you a 7 gallon indoor grow which i don't do. I'm so sick of your fucking mouth like I'm selling some bullshit.. your fucking buds look like my 4th week in flower.. please quit whiping your little ass cock out. like your some bad fusing grower,

 

[a mongo frog]

this is the flower of the sour d.. hang drying 2 gallon plastic pail.. albs kind soil (8$ kind soil) ... lets be very fucking clear its a 2 gallon grow with 1 month veg from clone for anyone who wants to beat dicks


and please my system in a 7 would eat any organic system your running
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okay dumbs let me show you a 7 gallon indoor grow which i don't do. I'm so sick of your fucking mouth like I'm selling some bullshit.. your fucking buds look like my 4th week in flower.. please quit whiping your little ass cock out. like your some bad fusing grower,

Your selling bull shit. Im sorry your pissed. Its not my fault.

 

[phil k]

you one voice among hundreds..

 

[phil k]

look I'm not here t beat dicksor sell my fuckign soil bottom line.. if you wanna run your mouth like some system you have will compete with mine il send you my soil free of fucking charge to show you what you do doesnt compete with what we do.. bottom fucking line... your bringing attention tome as i some how i promote my soil ALL I FUCKING SAID was his amendment soil listed is not a proper system for growing IF YOU WANTED TO USE HIS STEM use the proper F&*KING TONE MEAL and run Garden tone and not ROSE TONE... which is what your local f*&cking hardware store sells.... foods food but she there isn't enough potassium and phosphors and hell depending on your veg time the nitrogen and Potassium at that low of a leve can be depleted depending on the veg time...... the plants not going to reach its full potential .. and quit feeding new growers with these bunk systems.. bottom line.

 

[phil k]

your dealing with a fruiting plant not a fucking weakly dense flower. .. tomatoes used to be used a reference for growing pot because of the production rates and density.. rose tone could probably tower a tomato plant but the production rate and plant size is going to be stronger and higher from a more balanced system for a denser harvesting plant.. otherwise we wouldn't have 4-3-2 systems and 10-10-10 systems or 10-20-30 systems .... wed all be running 5/5/5 feather meal/fish meal amended systems..


AND if you knew shit about my system you'd know the way it works and feeds is nothing like the systems you run now.

 

[phil k]

yes a 5/5/5 system will grow a weed plant a 5/5/5 will grow a godamn tree properly thats not the question.... but a system containing more amendments that aid not only in production, plant health, flavors and may other things i don't wanna list make a huge difference in growing and anyone with more than 10+ years of grow experience can attest to that. but I'm sure none of us wanna open our mouths because of dingdongs refuting we know what were talking about.. .. because obviously I'm behind all of you. ..

 

[Mr.Head]

I'm curious, without getting into this argument , what do you do differently from most organic growers that makes your amendments work better then mine?

Also looking to learn from your experiences with amendments having an effect on flavours. I find this very interesting as I have noticed my own grows in the same mix tend to have subtle similarities during growth regardless of the strain. It's usually not as noticeable once dried and cured.

I use a very basic soil, probably less diverse then the OP's all that's in mine is Alfalfa, Crab/Blood/Bone/Kelp meals, volcanic rock dusts EWC, molasses and fish emulsion with quality compost and peat. I have had good results, I'm very close yield wise to what I was getting from synthetics I think, with much healthier plants. That said yield is not my major concern, I'm just a small closet grower making my own medicine, I am more concerned about my medicine being clean and not full of mold and pesticides like the dealers will sell locally without a care in the world.

 

[phil k]

our system isnts a soil that is fully amended .. our system is a extremely over amended hot soil that sits at the base of the grow container....so lets say you are setting up a 5 gallon grow you place 5lbs of our soil (20$) at the base of the container... fill the rest of the five gallon up with promix and plant your clone in the promix.. the promixportion of the system is a buffer zone that has NO CHEMICAL in it from amending its just clean regular promix so when you water the plants ACTUALLY have the ability to drink clean fresh water ... when the plant wats to eat the rooting system is always sitting on top of the hot soil so your plant feeds whenever it wants.. it drinks clean fresh water all the time.. you will never ever have a burn issue or deficiency issue ever.. with any other amended system sub cools .. anyones your plant is always sitting in fully amended soil... so you may be feeding water only but your water is also picking up nutrients as it travels and changes the water from pure water to water caring nutrients which in return forces your plant to always eat. so all in all our system is cheaper to buy and run than making sub cools system... and you truly do nothing other than water your plant. from veg to harvest thats it..

im not here to argue with people about it but i promise if you ran the system properly the quality of your grow, the tastes the flavors and high will be completely different from any system you run now. but thats why we give free trials I'm not here to fuck people .. lie or take money i promise if you run the system right (proper environment and properly ph/oxygenated water) you won't grow a different way again.

I'm curious, without getting into this argument , what do you do differently from most organic growers that makes your amendments work better then mine?

Also looking to learn from your experiences with amendments having an effect on flavours. I find this very interesting as I have noticed my own grows in the same mix tend to have subtle similarities during growth regardless of the strain. It's usually not as noticeable once dried and cured.

I use a very basic soil, probably less diverse then the OP's all that's in mine is Alfalfa, Crab/Blood/Bone/Kelp meals, volcanic rock dusts EWC, molasses and fish emulsion with quality compost and peat. I have had good results, I'm very close yield wise to what I was getting from synthetics I think, with much healthier plants. That said yield is not my major concern, I'm just a small closet grower making my own medicine, I am more concerned about my medicine being clean and not full of mold and pesticides like the dealers will sell locally without a care in the world.

 

[phil k]

and i understand people think we are charging a lot but we aren't our system has some of the best amendments you can possibly buy our issues with price right now is we aren't in stores yet so our sales volume isn't on the level where we can get the amendments cheap enough to offer the soil cheaper. but everyone thats been with us since 5 years ago can tell you we always drop our prices the second we are able to.. we are hoping to be at $3.50lb by the end of summer. which would make each ounce you produce about 3$-3.50$ (outside of electrical and promix)

but i do very short vegs and in a 5 gallon indoors with 5lbs of soil (20$) i hit 6-8oz depending on the strain so at that the "feeding" cost per oz comes to 3.50-4$ an ounce already.

 

[Dgringo69]

Phil,
I would like to take this opportunity to point out several flaws in your "system".
You took the time to critique my mix without first trying it so I will return the favor. I will also be doing my best to make your big head explode

1- It's a system.

2- Your website states "always ph your water". What? It is commonly known that one of the beautiful things about soil growing is that we don't have to worry about ph issues..in properly balanced soil. Your system takes away the ease of simply watering your soil straight from the tap. Now we have to buy containers, stage the water, ph it and then apply it. This is a big deal for those of us with large grows. The fact that you have to balance your water tells me your soil is not balanced.

3- Layering. From what I understand, per the pics on your website, the soil will be layered with the recommended promix on top and your blend on bottom at what looks to be a 60%\40% ratio of pro to kind. You show that the roots will sit on top of the kind blend and feed as needed. This creates a number of large problems during the veg cycle. (1) when your roots only utilize the top half of your pot then you have made unavailable to your plant half of the total moisture held in that pot. This is a HUGE deal in hot summer months. (2) when your roots are not grown into the bottom of the pot, the moisture in the bottom becomes stagnant and will promote an anaerobic environment in your pot..bad for roots, bad for micro organisms.

4- I see that you condone vegging up to 6mos in 10 gallon pots. We all know we will not see max plant potential with this practice. For customer sake you may want to present some larger soil quantity examples. Your site states that you will never see chemical burns. Well, this is true in the sense that it won't be "chemicals" burning your plants but from the pics you provided above we will see some burning.

5- Micro organisms need a natural well balanced rhizosphere. There will not be enough organic material in the promix for a micro organism to do what it does best and there will be an inhospitable environment for micros in your bottom layer. You have killed the very essence of what organic growing is about..the supercharging of soil by living organisms that break down organic matter into highly usable food for plants.

Sir I will put my simple mix against yours any day. You have exhibited ignorance about true organics in many ways. You have "organic" confused with "natural". Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

[phil k]

lol thanks!

Phil,
I would like to take this opportunity to point out several flaws in your "system".
You took the time to critique my mix without first trying it so I will return the favor. I will also be doing my best to make your big head explode

1- It's a system.

2- Your website states "always ph your water". What? It is commonly known that one of the beautiful things about soil growing is that we don't have to worry about ph issues..in properly balanced soil. Your system takes away the ease of simply watering your soil straight from the tap. Now we have to buy containers, stage the water, ph it and then apply it. This is a big deal for those of us with large grows. The fact that you have to balance your water tells me your soil is not balanced.

3- Layering. From what I understand, per the pics on your website, the soil will be layered with the recommended promix on top and your blend on bottom at what looks to be a 60%\40% ratio of pro to kind. You show that the roots will sit on top of the kind blend and feed as needed. This creates a number of large problems during the veg cycle. (1) when your roots only utilize the top half of your pot then you have made unavailable to your plant half of the total moisture held in that pot. This is a HUGE deal in hot summer months. (2) when your roots are not grown into the bottom of the pot, the moisture in the bottom becomes stagnant and will promote an anaerobic environment in your pot..bad for roots, bad for micro organisms.

4- I see that you condone vegging up to 6mos in 10 gallon pots. We all know we will not see max plant potential with this practice. For customer sake you may want to present some larger soil quantity examples. Your site states that you will never see chemical burns. Well, this is true in the sense that it won't be "chemicals" burning your plants but from the pics you provided above we will see some burning.

5- Micro organisms need a natural well balanced rhizosphere. There will not be enough organic material in the promix for a micro organism to do what it does best and there will be an inhospitable environment for micros in your bottom layer. You have killed the very essence of what organic growing is about..the supercharging of soil by living organisms that break down organic matter into highly usable food for plants.

Sir I will put my simple mix against yours any day. You have exhibited ignorance about true organics in many ways. You have "organic" confused with "natural". Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

[phil k]

unfortunately we are already being omri certified.. so yes we are organic.

 

[Mr.Head]

I believe he's growing organically, it's just a different approach instead of having a living soil breaking down nutrition over time he has it condensed in the bottom of the container. It's still organic, it's just not living. It's more of an organic Nutrient mix like subcools rather then a no till soil mix.

The literature states that the most microbes live in the top three inches of soil , but does he need these microbes to break down the nutrition? Or has that job already been done for the most part by the microbes while the pile sits to cook? I've also read that the "feeder roots" or the roots best at taking up nutrition are in the top three inches of soil. Keeping this area of the soil healthy and moist is pretty important in a no till garden.

So my questions for phil are I assume there is compost in the nutrient mix? generally speaking, without getting into specifics and divulging your recipe, what would the ratio be of meals/sands/other amendments:Compost/soil. I ask this because I use a general rule of 3 cups : per cubic foot of soil. Just wondering, how much more amendments you're putting into the nutrient mix.

It's just a different way to skin a cat, it's almost like taking a synthetic feeding approach to organics in that all the food for the plant is condensed. Like an organic drain to waste.

 

[phil k]

I believe he's growing organically, it's just a different approach instead of having a living soil breaking down nutrition over time he has it condensed in the bottom of the container. It's still organic, it's just not living. It's more of an organic Nutrient mix like subcools rather then a no till soil mix.

The literature states that the most microbes live in the top three inches of soil , but does he need these microbes to break down the nutrition? Or has that job already been done for the most part by the microbes while the pile sits to cook? I've also read that the "feeder roots" or the roots best at taking up nutrition are in the top three inches of soil. Keeping this area of the soil healthy and moist is pretty important in a no till garden.

So my questions for phil are I assume there is compost in the nutrient mix? generally speaking, without getting into specifics and divulging your recipe, what would the ratio be of meals/sands/other amendments:Compost/soil. I ask this because I use a general rule of 3 cups : per cubic foot of soil. Just wondering, how much more amendments you're putting into the nutrient mix.

It's just a different way to skin a cat, it's almost like taking a synthetic feeding approach to organics in that all the food for the plant is condensed. Like an organic drain to waste.

we use zero compost.. other than worm casting
trust me our shits legit heres our latest test. MSU agricultural dept. run the tests..

 

[Dgringo69]

So what comprises your kind soil sir? Surely you can list ingredients without ratios.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

our system isnts a soil that is fully amended .. our system is a extremely over amended hot soil that sits at the base of the grow container....so lets say you are setting up a 5 gallon grow you place 5lbs of our soil (20$) at the base of the container...

so just to be clear here, and it's a new day, so i am mellow (just don't disrespect me again) i am merely curious, for example...
i grow either nine, 12 gal plants
or twelve, 7 gallon plants, both modest grows to say the least, i feel for those outdoor growers you mentioned.... i digress
so that's 108 bs or 84 lbs of your base soil, right? One lb per gallon, at the bottom?
@5 bucks a lb.... that's a LOT of money brother...
over 500 hundred dollars, and that's not even with the promix you recommend, or sales taxes.
Further more your profit? would be around 50 bucks, per grow, times a normal five to ten times a yr, and i'd be paying you over three thousand dollars a yr, for my tiny ass connoisseur grow. And a pure 350-500 dollars in your pocket.
times that by however many growers, you convince, and the fact that you don't reuse your soil, and i can plainly see why you are so staunch on your defense of your "system".
Money baby... the root of all evil.

Your system is an expensive one. Period.

Nothing against that, economics man.
If you can sell it, and do it consistently? Then cool, more power to ya, people have made millions on things that don't work, kudos to you for at least having something that can grow plants.
Supply and demand. Get your money...if you can.

 

[phil k]

no ass its first off 4$ a lb in small bags and its $3.80 a lb in larger purchases. please tell em what i make the ski for!? since you seem to know I'm doing this for MASSIVE fucking profis... why do i own a construction company if this soil company is so fucking profitable and I'm "raping people" please you know shit about whats in the soil nor do you know the ratios and costs that go into it so shut up and talk about something you actually know and not something your coming to a board lying about or misrepresenting like you have used the product or know anything about it.

so just to be clear here, and it's a new day, so i am mellow (just don't disrespect me again) i am merely curious, for example...
i grow either nine, 12 gal plants
or twelve, 7 gallon plants, both modest grows to say the least, i feel for those outdoor growers you mentioned.... i digress
so that's 108 bs or 84 lbs of your base soil, right? One lb per gallon, at the bottom?
@5 bucks a lb.... that's a LOT of money brother...
over 500 hundred dollars, and that's not even with the promix you recommend, or sales taxes.
Further more your profit? would be around 50 bucks, per grow, times a normal five to ten times a yr, and i'd be paying you over three thousand dollars a yr, for my tiny ass connoisseur grow. And a pure 350-500 dollars in your pocket.
times that by however many growers, you convince, and the fact that you don't reuse your soil, and i can plainly see why you are so staunch on your defense of your "system".
Money baby... the root of all evil.

Your system is an expensive one. Period.

Nothing against that, economics man.
If you can sell it, and do it consistently? Then cool, more power to ya, people have made millions on things that don't work, kudos to you for at least having something that can grow plants.
Supply and demand. Get your money...if you can.

 

[phil k]

AND on top of that 20$ worth of the soil vegs a plant for up to 4 months with full flower... never doing shit other than watering.

so just to be clear here, and it's a new day, so i am mellow (just don't disrespect me again) i am merely curious, for example...
i grow either nine, 12 gal plants
or twelve, 7 gallon plants, both modest grows to say the least, i feel for those outdoor growers you mentioned.... i digress
so that's 108 bs or 84 lbs of your base soil, right? One lb per gallon, at the bottom?
@5 bucks a lb.... that's a LOT of money brother...
over 500 hundred dollars, and that's not even with the promix you recommend, or sales taxes.
Further more your profit? would be around 50 bucks, per grow, times a normal five to ten times a yr, and i'd be paying you over three thousand dollars a yr, for my tiny ass connoisseur grow. And a pure 350-500 dollars in your pocket.
times that by however many growers, you convince, and the fact that you don't reuse your soil, and i can plainly see why you are so staunch on your defense of your "system".
Money baby... the root of all evil.

Your system is an expensive one. Period.

Nothing against that, economics man.
If you can sell it, and do it consistently? Then cool, more power to ya, people have made millions on things that don't work, kudos to you for at least having something that can grow plants.
Supply and demand. Get your money...if you can.

 

[phil k]

the only thing that changes the amount placed in a container is the container size itself if you run a 15 gallon yes we recommend 10-15lbs depending on veg time because of the plants size... but if you run 15 gallons and veg a clone for only 1-1.5months in the 15 gallon you can run 5-7lbs of the soil with that veg time.

but any good grower knows the last thing you need is a 15 gallon indoors when your running a 1-1.5 month veg you clearly would wanna be running 5 gallons with that short of a veg.. hell i run 3 gallons 1month veg all the time in 3 gallons with 2-3lbs of my soil in the base i place 6under 1-1000watt and hit 18oz consistenly so (outside electrical obviously) at the highest price (4$lb.) for $72.00 i produce 18oz of organic nugs and i don't do shit other than water my plants. and until you smoke the bud grown in the program don't tell me 72$ for 18oz isn't worth it...