Is This What Was Meant By "Open Carry"

[bearkat42]

Yet the LEADERSHIP OF THE ORGANIZATION DOES.

Which is obviously what matters.

 

[StevieBevie]

Yet the LEADERSHIP OF THE ORGANIZATION DOES.

Your saying the leadership of the organization wants people to show up dressed like that guy did in the picture at a park....I do not think so...They might defend his legal right to do so, but I do not believe that this is behavior that they would condone or encourage. Safe and responsible gun ownership is the desire, that behavior will get our rights removed, so no, I do not think they would condone that...

 

[whitebb2727]

Not a single assumption was listed in my message. I listed questions that I would need to have answered before I could feel comfortable with somebody with that kind of firepower in my midst. Maybe he's there to menace Trump protesters? Who knows.

If this hadn't been cleared with the police, I'm pretty sure he's on a sniper's cross hair. Guns make people less safe, especially the ones that own them.

You are correct in saying he had a right to carry. It was stupid of the state to draft that legislation but they did, and there he is. Making people wonder why he's there.

It wasn't stupid.

Think about this logically.

I'm a hunter.

Before this law if you didn't go get a concealed carry you could get in trouble. If I can't have it in the open but hiding it is illegal what am I to do?

No shit, this got to be a problem.



Listen man I get it. With the things that have been happening I can see why people would be nervous.

I mean seriously, more people die to prescription errors or side effect than guns kill and we are OK with it.

The gun is arbitrary, we should be concerned with mindset.

Would you be anymore nervous if he was parked there in a box truck considering what just happened?

 

[whitebb2727]

Just like me? I own a gun for my own protection. I am not the police or the national guard. I keep my guns on my property. I could carry a concealed weapon, but I choose not to. I have had a ton or training, but I also think that there are a lot of people that are afraid of guns and that a lot of things can go wrong carrying in public and I don't want that responsibility. My protection remains at home, and I defend the right of someone to carry, but if a police department needs more people from the public to be protecting the public they need to hire more cops and train them properly. Heads up, if people keep showing up at the local park garbed up like that, our rights to own guns are going away, not getting stronger..

Again arbitrary.

Why do you trust a cop more? They lie for a living.

 

[desert dude]

You are wrong, I am used to being around weapons. I own several handguns and shotguns, but I don't dress up in garb and take the arsenal to a public park. Hell I take my grandson to soccer and football games and see how adults behave at those, like a bunch of idiots, thank god they don't all tote their guns or there would be dead people every game. Nothing tells me that this guy is there to protect me, or open fire and kill people. Most people would be extremely intimidated, and would be scared to have their children and family around. You can't determine what his training or his intent is . If the park is only meant for people that are used to this attire, that might be one thing, but I am sure this is a public park and needs to be for the use and pleasure of the entire public. That picture is me, but I am at a shooting range, not Central Park NYC. View attachment 3735734

Nice. Looks like a Glock in your hand.

 

[desert dude]

incorrect. not trap layer, but pipe layer. foot at a time

i'd be uncomfortable no matter what color the person was. if i was armed, it would be a fair fight at least. but i'm not capable of determining what his motives are.

so if this was in a florida park, and this dude comes walking up to me in the park, can i use stand your ground as defense for blasting him? i see him as an approaching threat.

"Reasonable belief". You need to understand what that term means with respect to self defense. The self defense laws don't say all you gotta do is say "I was scared." If you don't understand what reasonable means legally, then you should not carry a gun. You will just get yourself into trouble.

 

[desert dude]

Just like me? I own a gun for my own protection. I am not the police or the national guard. I keep my guns on my property. I could carry a concealed weapon, but I choose not to. I have had a ton or training, but I also think that there are a lot of people that are afraid of guns and that a lot of things can go wrong carrying in public and I don't want that responsibility. My protection remains at home, and I defend the right of someone to carry, but if a police department needs more people from the public to be protecting the public they need to hire more cops and train them properly. Heads up, if people keep showing up at the local park garbed up like that, our rights to own guns are going away, not getting stronger..

I could written that exact post describing myself.

 

[whitebb2727]

None that I know of, I don't believe he went to the local police and they authorized him to show up in that getup and do whatever he is supposed to be doing. Nothing identifies him as in any kind of authority, just looks like a nut at the park ready to have a shoot out. Hell I am the NRA, but if people started hanging out at parks garbed up like that, I would want there to be some serious revisions to the law, because that is setting a very dangerous precedent. Carrying a concealed weapon for your own personal defense is one thing, but open carry, and protecting the public is a whole different ballgame, and requires training and also proper protocol, and yes the public needs to be able to identity someone in that kind of role, know who they are dealing with and what that persons role is. That whole picture is just wrong in so many ways at so many levels it send the wrong message...

I get it and personally feel the same but I have to support his right to do it for a reason I have listed.

Generally no one knows I have a gun but there are reasons I've had a gun open carry on me.

 

[StevieBevie]

I get it and personally feel the same but I have to support his right to do it for a reason I have listed.

Generally no one knows I have a gun but there are reasons I've had a gun open carry on me.

Legally he has a right, I did not say he did not. Do I support a person showing up to a park decked out like that hell no. People also have a right to enjoy the park and not wonder if this guy is there to start a shooting spree or there to protect them, or is he there to protect them and they end up dead because he has not had proper training. I am accustomed to being around guns, but If I walked into a park with my grandkids and that guy is hanging out I would turn around and leave. There is an appropriateness and civility if that is the right word that I don't think works with the scene of a nice day at the park and the weekend militia man wannabe...sorry that is just how I feel.

 

[StevieBevie]

I get it and personally feel the same but I have to support his right to do it for a reason I have listed.

Generally no one knows I have a gun but there are reasons I've had a gun open carry on me.

I am sure there are good reasons and I can support those, I just have a sick feeling inside looking at that picture. The reason the vast majority of people that own guns do own them is for their own protection and safety. The public at large also has a right to feel safe. The vision of that man does not illicit a feeling of safety for the public, but that of fear, and that is how I see that and why, I am not okay with it.

 

[bearkat42]

"Reasonable belief". You need to understand what that term means with respect to self defense. The self defense laws don't say all you gotta do is say "I was scared." If you don't understand what reasonable means legally, then you should not carry a gun. You will just get yourself into trouble.

Just ask George Zimmerman.

 

[desert dude]

Just ask George Zimmerman.

Exactly.

Zimmerman reasonably believed that he was about to suffer grave injury or death at the hands of a guy bashing his skull into the concrete sidewalk. The jury looked at the evidence and decided his belief was reasonable, therefore he justifiably killed Trayvon Martin and was acquitted.

 

[desert dude]

Just ask George Zimmerman.

You might also ask Roderick Scott, though I think his case was a lot less reasonable than Zimm's.

 

[Fogdog]

It wasn't stupid.

Think about this logically.

I'm a hunter.

Before this law if you didn't go get a concealed carry you could get in trouble. If I can't have it in the open but hiding it is illegal what am I to do?

No shit, this got to be a problem.



Listen man I get it. With the things that have been happening I can see why people would be nervous.

I mean seriously, more people die to prescription errors or side effect than guns kill and we are OK with it.

The gun is arbitrary, we should be concerned with mindset.

Would you be anymore nervous if he was parked there in a box truck considering what just happened?

Umm, what was he hunting then?

 

[cannabineer]

Exactly.

Zimmerman reasonably believed that he was about to suffer grave injury or death at the hands of a guy bashing his skull into the concrete sidewalk. The jury looked at the evidence and decided his belief was reasonable, therefore he justifiably killed Trayvon Martin and was acquitted.

I was never on the jury, and all my info is indirect. However from what I remember, George was not justified. Too many facts or maybefacts in that case pointed to a Rambo wannabe who manufactured the threat in his mind.

Imo folks like Zimmerman constitute the biggest threat to continued citizen-centric gun legislation.

 

[UncleBuck]

he justifiably killed Trayvon Martin

sorry, but a white supremacist cop who lied for months about his membership in a white supremacy group is not the person whose opinion i want on this one.

 

[whitebb2727]

Umm, what was he hunting then?

Nothing.

My point being you can't advocate gun rights and then say its wrong if you ever have it in public.

Like I said, I don't like it but I have to support it.

 

[bearkat42]

Exactly.

Zimmerman reasonably believed that he was about to suffer grave injury or death at the hands of a guy bashing his skull into the concrete sidewalk. The jury looked at the evidence and decided his belief was reasonable, therefore he justifiably killed Trayvon Martin and was acquitted.

A guy that he was following, that the police told him not to. You left that part out. I would have whipped his ass too.

 

[Fogdog]

"Reasonable belief". You need to understand what that term means with respect to self defense. The self defense laws don't say all you gotta do is say "I was scared." If you don't understand what reasonable means legally, then you should not carry a gun. You will just get yourself into trouble.

An old man got angry that another guy was texting during movie promos before the real movie started. He confronted the texter. The texter threw popcorn in the old man's face. Old man shot him dead. The old man is pleading innocent based on stand your ground. The trial hasn't started yet. Win or lose, the stand your ground law made somebody dead. Rational decisions when fearful -- not congruent.

Even with hundreds of hours of training, cops make bad choices some of the time during tests. Civilians are going to be better? If you can't be certain that you will make the right choice, what right do you have to carry?

 

[Fogdog]

Nothing.

My point being you can't advocate gun rights and then say its wrong if you ever have it in public.

Like I said, I don't like it but I have to support it.

My point is don't be an asshole. I don't know what his purpose was. I do know that there were a shit load of security in and around that convention center. I can't imagine how he was helping. If he wasn't helping then he was a distraction to law enforcement. Which makes him an asshole for asserting his rights in front of the nation and a crowd simply for show. Keep your rights and all that but don't be an asshole.