My opinion on flushing cannabis. (Yet another)

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Bobby Long Buds

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My take home is that plants fed “just what is needed” during its whole life is what will produce the best smoke with little or minimal “flushing”.
I will dry samples of my worst smoke and my best smoke to the point of totally crispy dry and see what the ashes look like on a white surface. Maybe even post pics if I figure out how.
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curious2garden

curious2garden

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Bugeye said:
Temp of bic lighter is aprox. 3500 degrees F
Temp that thc, cbd, terpenes vaporize at is several thousand degrees less than temp of a butane flame.
I've conducted thousands and thousands of burn experiments with cigars and weed of varying wetness. All ash goes white when smoked long enough, but how long it takes to go white is a function of how wet it is. I've never ashed black ash from a cigar, have you? A cigar that goes out from being too wet will be black on what is left after tapping off ash. This isn't rocket science.
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Oh dear! It isn't rocket science but you obviously have no clue. Please state your source for that 3500 degree F. LOL

BTW it is chemistry and CN teaches it in college :) hence why I ask him. I have a mere three years of it (in my undergrad) and only a couple years of physics.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Bugeye said:
Temp of bic lighter is aprox. 3500 degrees F
Temp that thc, cbd, terpenes vaporize at is several thousand degrees less than temp of a butane flame.
I've conducted thousands and thousands of burn experiments with cigars and weed of varying wetness. All ash goes white when smoked long enough, but how long it takes to go white is a function of how wet it is. I've never ashed black ash from a cigar, have you? A cigar that goes out from being too wet will be black on what is left after tapping off ash. This isn't rocket science.
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A butane-air flame can very locally exceed 2000 degrees, and that says nothing about the rate of heating. A pinhead in a butane flame will probably reach terminal steady state at maybe 1600 degrees. Larger objects are heated less strongly, and so on.

As for all ash going white ..., that has not been my experience. Quite independent of moisture, a small impurity of urea, ammonium phosphate etc. will make for a black and even somewhat crusty ash. But how much will do that ... again, no idea.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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curious2garden said:
Oh dear! It isn't rocket science but you obviously have no clue. Please state your source for that 3500 degree F. LOL

BTW it is chemistry and CN teaches it in college :) hence why I ask him. I have a mere three years of it (in my undergrad) and only a couple years of physics.
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Butane Lighters
Disposable butane lighters ignite at a temperature of 77 degrees Fahrenheit. If a butane lighter did not lose any heat — called the adiabatic temperature — it could reach 4,074 degrees, but most butane flames actually burn at temperatures closer to 3,578 degrees due to their interaction with the surrounding environment. Because oxygen is necessary for combustion, flame temperature varies with altitude, air movement, and atmospheric pressure. Flames constantly lose heat to the surrounding air, and flames in cold environments burn at lower temperatures than they would in hot environments. Flames surrounded by cool, moving air lose heat even faster, as the air moves the wick's heat away to be replaced by more cold air.

Source: https://sciencing.com/temperatures-do-lighters-burn-8475271.html
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Bobby Long Buds said:
Ya ok so how does that explain my red eyes and extreme feeling of being stoned after smoking a good roach?
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I didn't say you wouldn't get high smoking a roach, you just won't get the same up, clean energy high like you will off the first toke. You'll more likely be couch locked because the THC is largely gone at that point.

If you want to be thrifty and get the best high, smoke one hitters.
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Bugeye said:
Butane Lighters
Disposable butane lighters ignite at a temperature of 77 degrees Fahrenheit. If a butane lighter did not lose any heat — called the adiabatic temperature — it could reach 4,074 degrees, but most butane flames actually burn at temperatures closer to 3,578 degrees due to their interaction with the surrounding environment. Because oxygen is necessary for combustion, flame temperature varies with altitude, air movement, and atmospheric pressure. Flames constantly lose heat to the surrounding air, and flames in cold environments burn at lower temperatures than they would in hot environments. Flames surrounded by cool, moving air lose heat even faster, as the air moves the wick's heat away to be replaced by more cold air.

Source: https://sciencing.com/temperatures-do-lighters-burn-8475271.html
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ROFLMAO in physics we discussed spherical cows but I've yet to see one.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Bugeye said:
Butane Lighters
Disposable butane lighters ignite at a temperature of 77 degrees Fahrenheit. If a butane lighter did not lose any heat — called the adiabatic temperature — it could reach 4,074 degrees, but most butane flames actually burn at temperatures closer to 3,578 degrees due to their interaction with the surrounding environment. Because oxygen is necessary for combustion, flame temperature varies with altitude, air movement, and atmospheric pressure. Flames constantly lose heat to the surrounding air, and flames in cold environments burn at lower temperatures than they would in hot environments. Flames surrounded by cool, moving air lose heat even faster, as the air moves the wick's heat away to be replaced by more cold air.

Source: https://sciencing.com/temperatures-do-lighters-burn-8475271.html
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A butane flame is certainly no adiabat.

The high temps mentioned would require magic physics, such as no convective or radiative heat loss. The real temps are lower, and the heat flows are tiny.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Bugeye said:
It's a function of how stingy you are. White ash means you are smoking to get every pennies worth, damn the consequences to the quality of taste and high.
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Or you could just turn all of your flower into concentrates. Then you could still be a purity snob and not be wasting shitloads of perfectly good trichomes.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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NanoGadget said:
Or you could just turn all of your flower into concentrates. Then you could still be a purity snob and not be wasting shitloads of perfectly good trichomes.
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I do that as well. How is it wasting weed if I grew it for the purpose of consuming it the way I prefer?
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Bugeye said:
And you have never experienced properly cured weed!
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A rh meter measures air moisture not bud, a buf looses the same total moisture at 60% air humidity as it does in 50%.

Your talking to someone that is seriously questioning the validity of a large group of growers here and providing proof the whole site supports against you.

:-)
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Bugeye said:
I do that as well. How is it wasting weed if I grew it for the purpose of consuming it the way I prefer?
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I'm not here to debate semantics, but intention has nothing to do with it. Just because you're being wasteful on purpose doesn't mean you aren't being wasteful. Hell, it's your weed so waste it if you want, but if i was unwilling to hit a bowl that has been hit already i would turn 100% of my harvest into concentrates instead of the 75% i do now. I just can't abide wasting something that i put time, money, and love into producing.
 
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