Schwaggy P's Random Stuff

[mr. childs]

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I decided to try out Terpinator for a current run and have found that it really improves the intensity of the smell. It is something that I would like to incorporate into my nutrient regimen. Unfortunately, the required dosage and relatively steep price has me hesitant to commit.

The label reads: Soluble Potash (K2O)……4.0%, Derived from Potassium Sulfate
Add 5-10mL/gal in veg
Add 10-30mL/gal in flower

So I have decided to try to replicate this additive by mixing my own Potassium Sulfate solution and testing it on a run of the same cut that has responded well to Terpinator.

I have done some calculations and found that in order to create the same concentration of Soluble Potash derived from Potassium Sulfate, I will need to add 300g of Potassium Sulfate per gallon of water (The math is included below).

PLEASE NOTE: I have yet to apply this to plants. I will be testing this mixture and making notes of any issues/successes and suggestions for possible further adjustment. Do not try this at home (yet). Neither Schwaggy P, nor any Schwaggy P subsidiaries are responsible for any grower attempting this recipe or the results thereof.

MATERIALS
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One gallon distilled water
Potassium Sulfate
Container for the solution
Scale
Gloves
Flask (optional for smaller mixed solutions)

PROCEDURE
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Wearing gloves, mass the Potassium Sulfate (pic 1).

Make sure to weigh out amounts that your scale can handle. If your scale cannot handle 300g measurements, mass several “batches” of Potassium Sulfate to equal 300g

Carefully transfer the Potassium Sulfate into your container (pic 2).

A funnel may be helpful

Pour about half of the distilled water into the container (pic3).

Filling only half way allows room for you to shake the solution and assist the dissolving process

Shake the container vigorously (pic 4), then fill the container with the remaining half of distilled water. At this point you have a one-gallon terpene-enhancing additive for less than 1/10th the cost of the store bought version.

TESTING
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I decided to see what the TDS contribution would be of both solutions. I added 0.5mL of each solution to their own sample of distilled water and measured the increase in TDS. The dosage is equivalent to the median recommended feeding dosage of 20mL/gallon.

In Series A, the Terp Enhancinator contributed an increase of 251.5ppm(0.5 scale)
In series B, the Terpinator contributed an increase of 379.9ppm

The DIY mix is a colorless and odorless solution, while the Terpinator has a yellowish color with a smell. These additions may explain the slight increased TDS contribution of the Terpinator. The take-away for me is that my DIY mix is not an astronomical overshoot of something like 2,600ppm. The relatively closeness of the ppm suggests the solution is not going to severely alter my reservoir chemistry.

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I took a sample of nutrient solution from a reservoir to test possible precipitate formation upon addition of the DIY mix. There was no visible precipitate formation when a 10ml/gal equivalent dosage was applied. The reservoir nutrient solution had a starting concentration of 635ppm (pic 5) and finished with a 730ppm (pic 6) concentration after the DIY mix was added.

Since the final DIY mix had a slightly lower concentration contribution than the Terpinator (expected since there are more non nutritive additions) and there was friendly interaction with nutrient solution, I feel this will be okay to try on my plants. I will use begin using this mix as directed to best replicate the Terpinator and assess the performance. I will update as things progress.

REFERENCE
Potassium Sulfate MSDS
https://n.b5z.net/i/u/10066364/f/Potassium_Sulfate_-_MSDS.pdf
Potassium Sulfate Spec Sheet
https://alphachemicals.com/i/u/10066364/f/Potassium_Sulfate_-_Spec.pdf

MATH
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not adding any limonene or other terps to the concoction ? what do you think gives terpinator that golden syrup color ?

 

[Schwaggy P]

not adding any limonene or other terps to the concoction ? what do you think gives terpinator that golden syrup color ?

This answer is based on first impressions and off-the-cuff reasoning:

I would guess that the "magic" of the mix would be in the availability of sulfur, increasing the concentration to be available for the chemical reactions that form terpenes. This assumes that sulfur plays some major role in the formation of this class of compounds, whether catalytic or some other enzymatic interactions, is beyond my current knowledge.

I don't know if adding terpenes to the mix would necessarily result in the assimilation of these terpenes in the final product. Just as we have to decompose our food into constituent macro/micro components to feed metabolic/physiological processes in the formation of various organic structures, so to (I would guess), the plants would be limited by the biochem pathways of compound formation. So when you eat a steak, it isn't that you get a 1:1 sudden distributed increase of muscle commensurate with the mass of steak, it must first be digested and protein used for muscle formation. I could see this same principle at work with the plants, where, to the extent it could utilize these final form terpenes, it would have to be somehow broken down into constituents to feed the chemical reaction formation of terpenes.

Again, this is just guessing on my part. I would like to benchmark the "straight-up" bare bones recipe first, and then consider adjustments and additions after this base mix proves itself. The Terpinator has a banana-like smell to it, so I really have no idea what else is in the recipe that gives it that golden color.

Have you found that adding those terpenes to a nutrient mix can help boost the final product?

 

[Baja.Beaches]

Again, this is just guessing on my part. I would like to benchmark the "straight-up" bare bones recipe first, and then consider adjustments and additions after this base mix proves itself. The Terpinator has a banana-like smell to it, so I really have no idea what else is in the recipe that gives it that golden color.

After reading that I had to go out to the garden & smell the Terpinator bottle. I had not considered a banana smell but I have to agree. Wonder where the scent comes from. I had concluded the color had to be coming from the carb source but that does not explain the smell.

I don't know if adding terpenes to the mix would necessarily result in the assimilation of these terpenes in the final product.

Interesting thought. It doesn't seem like added terps would necessarily but used by the plant in that way, in fact my first impression is that it would be a waste of $$, but on the other hand that could help explain the scent & price...but what do I know...a fun experiment.

 

[Schwaggy P]

After reading that I had to go out to the garden & smell the Terpinator bottle.

 

[CannaBruh]

I'm currently doing some catching up on economics and css design but this is next stop, well done and great work! Can't wait to try to parse it out.

 

[Schwaggy P]

I'm currently doing some catching up on economics and css design but this is next stop, well done and great work! Can't wait to try to parse it out.

Thank you.

Re: Economics; be wary of the Keynesians .

 

[mr. childs]

This answer is based on first impressions and off-the-cuff reasoning:

I would guess that the "magic" of the mix would be in the availability of sulfur, increasing the concentration to be available for the chemical reactions that form terpenes. This assumes that sulfur plays some major role in the formation of this class of compounds, whether catalytic or some other enzymatic interactions, is beyond my current knowledge.

I don't know if adding terpenes to the mix would necessarily result in the assimilation of these terpenes in the final product. Just as we have to decompose our food into constituent macro/micro components to feed metabolic/physiological processes in the formation of various organic structures, so to (I would guess), the plants would be limited by the biochem pathways of compound formation. So when you eat a steak, it isn't that you get a 1:1 sudden distributed increase of muscle commensurate with the mass of steak, it must first be digested and protein used for muscle formation. I could see this same principle at work with the plants, where, to the extent it could utilize these final form terpenes, it would have to be somehow broken down into constituents to feed the chemical reaction formation of terpenes.

Again, this is just guessing on my part. I would like to benchmark the "straight-up" bare bones recipe first, and then consider adjustments and additions after this base mix proves itself. The Terpinator has a banana-like smell to it, so I really have no idea what else is in the recipe that gives it that golden color.

Have you found that adding those terpenes to a nutrient mix can help boost the final product?

in my opinion the jaz rose spray that i use adds a lemon scent somewhat to the flowers sprayed with it. using just the straight p sulfate from ac gave me a stronger smelling plant, plus the use of basalt., but the plants werent as greasy as the ones from years back when i used terpinator. the plants that i used p sulfate on by itself had more distinct smells instead of alll smelling the same, vs my plants that i used terpinator on. i have never used terpinator on fruity strains, i think its great for gassy strains.

 

[Schwaggy P]

the plants that i used p sulfate on by itself had more distinct smells instead of alll smelling the same, vs my plants that i used terpinator on.

This is an interesting observation. I'll definitely try to be mindful of any difference in the side-by-side beyond just the intensity of the smell.

 

[Schwaggy P]

Breeding Tent #2
Pollen Donor: Cherry Sunshine​

The Cherry Sunshine male is about to start dropping pollen.

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[CoB_nUt]

4x FPOG x Cherry Sunshine seedlings going into flower to sex. Schwaggy I took a few more pics than usual of seedlings because you are the leaf whisperer!

They've gotten a bit leggy since yesterday.Wondering if I should top them now before flowering to sex them or let 'em go Au Natural and then take clones after they sex.

 

[CoB_nUt]

As stated previously.Leaf whisperer no doubt!
If your theory concludes to be true,it'll be a helluva way to identify phenos early.Possibly saving some a lot of time,space and nutes.
I'm stoked to follow your findings. Another arrow added to my quiver,it will be.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Looks like I came back at the right time...

 

[Schwaggy P]

Smoke Report
Gelato #45
(Sunset Sherbet x Girl Scout Cookies)​

Smell: doughy, earthy, slight sour, spent fireworks
Taste: sweet, soil, almond extract (non-sweet cherry), menthol
Effect: hybrid balance without a crash, slight body tingling/buzzing, easing of aches, increased perceptual stimulation, Overall duration ~1.5-2hrs
Growing:
Stretch: roughly tripled initial flowering height
Flowering Time: 65-72 days
Nutes: Moderate feeder



Taste
A long draw inhale over the Gelato #45 flowers presents a sweetened earthy smell with an influence of the sour/fuel-type aromas. It is less gas/diesel and more like spent fireworks. This acrid note is not off-putting, but is stirring the aroma of the doughy soil foundation.

As the smoke high fives your tongue on the exhale, you can taste lightly sweetened earth as the smell hinted. The tongue interprets the acrid spent gunpowder as more of a mentholated “cool” lighting up your taste buds as you blow smoke. Unexpectedly, there was almond extract at the tail end; a non-sweet black cherry taste. The smoke is not a thick expansive toke, but the taste does have staying power keeping your lips smacking after the smoke is gone.


Effect
The Gelato#45 effect begins as an elevated mood, with tingling in the head. This tingling shifts to the chest after 10-15 minutes and conjures hints of a coming raciness/anxiety. This impending anxiety never really develops as a more balanced relaxation grows throughout the body accompanied by some slight visual overstimulation. Lights seem too bright, moving objects too fast, etc.

The balanced high fully develops after about 15-20 minutes. Joint pains and aches seem to melt away without a couch-lock stone. Your brow slowly drops as a wave of ease pours over your face. A calm creativity is allowed to bloom as mental clarity, positive mood, and released tension mingles in a great equalized high.

This experience lasts 1.5-2hours and does not have a crash that leaves you taking unscheduled naps. As you continue to toke on the Gelato#45, the initial threats of raciness/anxiety are sidestepped and the relaxed good mood is reinvigorated.


Overall
Gelato#45 offers a stable modern strain that is not a finicky grow. She will begin to develop purple accents around week 5-6 of flower and finish with a visual appeal of a bowl of Fruity Pebbles. Her kiss of Tanzanite adds violet, rose, and indigo to a plant that can show off through the favorable leaf/calyx ratio.


She has a great smell/flavor combo that includes a less common sour/fuel expression, visual appeal, and easy trim, all without the fussiness some cookie plants/hybrids can demand. Gelato#45’s dense nuggetry is a very satisfying midday/evening smoke that can help ease aches and elevate mood. She will have you coming back for a second bowl of gelato.

 

[Schwaggy P]

Green Crack S1 (one Green Crack CBD first row center-right) - Day 43

H.A. OG - Day 47


Chocolate Covered Strawberries F2 + GG4 - Day 27


CCS

GG4


Black Lights (Black Domina x NL#1) and Old School Hashplant (PNW HP x 88G13HP) table has been flipped a few days ago. Here is the lone Old School Hashplant that germinated.


Skunky Brewster dried just before hitting the jars and trim.

 

[disco pilgrim]

Look at that frost on the Skunky Brewster!!! Looks amazing

 

[dankbydrew]

Coming out of the shadows.. This thread is amazing. Thank you for sharing Schwaggy. Just curious, what's your preferred method of ingestion? Your tasting notes are as exquisite as your flowers and your thread.

 

[Schwaggy P]

Coming out of the shadows.. This thread is amazing. Thank you for sharing Schwaggy. Just curious, what's your preferred method of ingestion? Your tasting notes are as exquisite as your flowers and your thread.

Welcome and thank you for your kind words. My go to method of ingestion is a smaller table-top friendly water pipe in the style of the one pictured below. When I do smoke reports, I try multiple methods, vape, joint, spoons, water pipes, to get an idea of how the flavor nuances express based on the method. I prefer a modest single chamber water pipe to get the widest taste palette.

 

[dankbydrew]

Rock on. Very impressed after trying to pin down notes last night. Thanks again for sharing. Your dedication to the craft and community is inspiring and contagious.

 

[Schwaggy P]

The Cherry Sunshine is in full pollen drop mode, and the OGKB is showing signs of pollination.

 

[Schwaggy P]

The Black Lights is starting to develop. He's frosting up a bit too.

Ladies getting ready for the Black Lights dust.