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Thelorax223

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So im growing lemon ak autos in ffof. Three gallon buckets.I am currently at week 5 with preflower a week underway. 3×3×6 tent. 70-77° f with 40-65 % rh.×2 mars hydro 600w leds. Feeding ff treo every other watering. 18/6 light cycle. Ph going in at 6.4-6.7 run off at 6.3-6.8. So three days ago after a little LST i developed some spots on a few top leaves of a new node. Now it has gotten worse everyday. Sprayed with exile and still no stopage. Saw a few gnat flies but only a few. Ordered nematoads. I need jelp. First grow and just wanna do good! Any help is appreciated.
 

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polishpollack

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You don't need to add more fert to that soil. It comes loaded already in the bag. Spraying anything on the plant is kind of risky. Adding fert is guaranteed to ruin the grow in OF soil. You just transplant later into larger containers with more soil. just add water.
 

Thelorax223

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So i shouldnt give her any nutes the whole grow? I started in my finishing pots as not to stress with a transplant. Any idea of whats wrong or a fix?
 

Thelorax223

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You don't need to add more fert to that soil. It comes loaded already in the bag. Spraying anything on the plant is kind of risky. Adding fert is guaranteed to ruin the grow in OF soil. You just transplant later into larger containers with more soil. just add water.
So i dont need to feed her? Should i flush?
 

dzk

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You don't need to add more fert to that soil. It comes loaded already in the bag. Spraying anything on the plant is kind of risky. Adding fert is guaranteed to ruin the grow in OF soil. You just transplant later into larger containers with more soil. just add water.
I am surprised that no one has challenged this. There is no way that FFOF soil comes with enough nutrients to last the hundred days (more or less) that it takes to finish a plant. Fox Farms does not even make that claim. If it started out that hot it would kill your seedlings.
There is some misinformation presented on this website but usually it gets corrected.
 

HydroKid239

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I am surprised that no one has challenged this. There is no way that FFOF soil comes with enough nutrients to last the hundred days (more or less) that it takes to finish a plant. Fox Farms does not even make that claim. If it started out that hot it would kill your seedlings.
There is some misinformation presented on this website but usually it gets corrected.
When you plant in OF you can leave space up top so you can top dress with more OF (Fresh nutes in it) and just water it in. It works fine. And will last you. If she looks hungry.. top dress and water.
 

HydroKid239

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I am surprised that no one has challenged this. There is no way that FFOF soil comes with enough nutrients to last the hundred days (more or less) that it takes to finish a plant. Fox Farms does not even make that claim. If it started out that hot it would kill your seedlings.
There is some misinformation presented on this website but usually it gets corrected.
I haven't started from seed in OF.. I started in coco loco straight up and a little bone/blood meal. I didn't have any other nutes. She took forever just to get to 6 inches tall... but I knew nothing whatsoever on how to grow or what to do next. I transplanted from a coffee container to a 3 gal fabric pot.. kept most of the coco loco on the roots.. knocked a little off.. and then I stuck it right into OF like that. I didn't feed for 2 weeks and she took off! Check her out.. from seedling til now.
 

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polishpollack

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There you go, dzk, there's your challenge, but it agrees with me.
OF can last the entire grow. The only thing is make sure you put your plants in a large enough container to last the duration. It's really no different than using supersoil, which is loaded too.
 

Thelorax223

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Well i appreciate everyones help. Turned out my leds were causing a cal Deficiency. So I top dressed and watered with ph'd water to 6.5 with some Cal mag in it. Also put a plant popper of nematodes. Will let u guys kno how its lookin with some updated photos in a few days.
 

Thelorax223

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There you go, dzk, there's your challenge, but it agrees with me.
OF can last the entire grow. The only thing is make sure you put your plants in a large enough container to last the duration. It's really no different than using supersoil, which is loaded too.
Does super soil come loaded with gnats as well?
 

dzk

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There you go, dzk, there's your challenge, but it agrees with me.
OF can last the entire grow. The only thing is make sure you put your plants in a large enough container to last the duration. It's really no different than using supersoil, which is loaded too.
I don't dispute that the plant will survive but does it thrive and is it robust or does it just get by?
There are no timed release nutrients in this soil that I am aware of. I use FFOF soil and supplement it with the Fox Farms basic trio at alternate waterings throughout the grow. I adhere closely to manufacturer's feeding schedule. I get excellent results. Not trying to be disagreeable here whatever works for you is fine with me. There is likely to be a limit to how much soil you can keep adding to your pot though.
 
I agree with DZK. I do believe even Fox Farm says there's enough for seed to 2-4 weeks in veg. Although I'm sure topping just the soil off will work, not a chance its optimal. Especially if you have nutes on hand. Do a little googling on FFOF and you'll find many expert growers saying about the same info I have. Not trying to argue with anyone, just my experience and info I've accumulated over time.
I am currently growing in FFOF ( 5 Indica Purponic, 1 Hybrid Test Tube Tropicana) with their liquid trio and i'm 34 days into veg. At week 3 to 3.5, i noticed the color of my leaves drastically lightening up. Added some PH water with Big Bloom ( how much will vary, youll learn to read plants as time goes) and the leaves were already back to the color im lookin for within 2-3 days. If you're ever unsure how much nutrients to add at any given time, or if your plants can handle it, add 1/4th of the recommended amount and work your way up slowly. Has worked wonders for me in my beginning days. Later on, youll know exactly what they need and can even start adding specific nutrients for even cheaper than pre-made bottles.
GL with your grow man! They're lookin good
 

polishpollack

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dzk, canna: Both of you aren't understanding what I've said, in this or other threads. I've never said top dress or to add more to a container. What I've said is, please read carefully... If a grower uses a large enough container with FFOF and nothing else, there's a very good chance that the fert in the soil will be enough to last the entire grow. You say that you're adding ferts and doubt that what I say is true. You are missing my point. What I keep seeing in this forum is that growers use FFOF soil and add more fert to it, apparently thinking they have to. I'm trying to tell people that you don't necessarily have to. When growers use bottle feeding like water, feed, water, feed, or some such thing, they usually ruin the plants. So... to take out the nonsense guesswork what a grower can do is use plenty of FFOF soil as if they are using a supersoil recipe. You shouldn't have to add any fert to supersoil provided you use a large enough container as it's important to give enough ferts for the duration and give the roots plenty of space to grow. The same thing can be achieved with FFOF, but you have to use a large enough container. It appears that both are you aren't transplanting, but instead are depending on your freedom to add nutrients whenever you feel it's necessary. For most growers, this is a problem. For some reason, people feel the need to feed, water, feed, or something similar. At least canna is trying to "read the plants," letting the change of color to dictate the next bottle feeding. I would imagine that your feedings aren't very frequent. My point in advocating FFOF soil is to depend on the soil to feed, i.e., allow the plant to feed at a natural rate without forcing it to consume more than it should. It takes the guesswork out of growing. That's my point. If you do the feed, water, feed thing, you're going to kill your plants eventually.
 
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