30% more thc every grow.

BBQtoast

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Solacure started out in 1980s making tanning lights for Show Pigs, and for ageing wood. If you dont know it, buying new guitars, that appear old, are a fad nowdays, and has been since the 90s. The use powerful UVA/B lights to age the wood, and paint. The guitars are called Relics. Fender makes them, and others. Solacure started out with other types of lights long before the started making UVA/B.
They arent the only to study UVA/B.
Phillips has been making UVA/B for decades, and much of it for the medical field to treat Psoriosis, and other skin diseases.
Hortilux also has alot of UVA/B studies.
NASA studied weed in 72-73 on Skylab, and proved they could change the chemical profile by using massive, millisecond flashes of Xenon. I burned the plants, and made them produce more oil to protect it.... Weed was one of, if not the first plant studied in space, on Skylab.


UV Light for Boosting THC in Cannabis | Vanessa Nielsen
https://www.bing.com/search?q




Debates can go back and forth forever about what the exact biological role of cannabinoids in the marijuana plant really are, perhaps a more likely explanation is that cannabinoids are a natural defense mechanism to a variety of assailants from the outside world: pests, mold, disease and ultraviolet radiation. Evidence shows that ultraviolet light can increase potency and resin production, though the whole picture of what cannabinoids do for the plant still isn’t clear.

Ultraviolet radiation in all forms can be damaging, but UVB rays specifically damage proteins and nucleic acids in the cells harming processes of cell reproduction and metabolism. The energetic, short wavelengths rays of UVB radiation pack the punch, and are largely responsible for sunburn and play a major role in skin cancer.

To defend against UVB, some plants produce flavonoids that can absorb the radiation. In humans, exposure stimulates the production of melanin to defend against the sun.

Evidence shows that cannabinoids, specifically THC, may play an active role in defending the cannabis plant against UVB rays, and strains native to areas with high levels of ambient UVB radiation show higher levels of Δ 9THC.

How did they figure this out? Finding out where the best pot in the world grows naturally was the first step. Typically, the best cannabis for hash grows in elevated regions. According to a book about hash (Bergel, 1965):

“When we were still working in this field we were told that the production of the active resin, in any kind of Cannabis plant, depends entirely on the altitude of the plantation; for example, you get rich charas or bhang in northern India only at a certain height above sea level. It was also reported that in order to obtain active resin one had to plant Cannabis in Germany near Roserheim, not far from Munich, which again is above a certain altitude.”

The less atmosphere you put between you and the sun, the more light you receive, and for cannabis plants this means making more resin to defend against UVB.

Plants grown above the 30th Parallel North typically have higher levels of CBD relative to THC, and plants originating from between the 30th parallel north and the 30th parallel south have higher levels of THC with little to no CBD. The first encounter with a South African strain that had high levels of THC with not a trace of CBD in 1973 reinforced this theory given the high natural UVB light intensity in the area.



High THC is found naturally in strains between the two parallels shown in the map. Areas of high hashish production in the Rif Mountains of Morocco, the Beqaa Valley of Lebanon and the Hindu Kush are all on the cusp of the 30 °N, but are all at a high altitude. This perfect balance of climate and sun exposure allows those places to grow the greatest hash plants in the world.

Presence of cannabinoid-rich trichomes near and on the seedpods, added to the fact that male plants barely produce trichomes, it seems logical that these resinous glands function, at least partly, to protect future offspring from the sun.

A more recent side-by-side comparison of plants grown with and without ultraviolet radiation backs up these older theories. So-called “drug-type” plants (strains cultivated for their naturally high levels of THC) produced higher levels of THC, but not other cannabinoids, when exposed to UVB treatments regularly.
We been studying UV and cannabinoids for years, what's changed today.

Trichomes deal with an abundance of stress, UV isn't anything special, the claims on 15-30% seem fabricated not real.

Also I know some scientists in China who have been studying this in many species, this would be a breakthrough in their research and serve as another basic model in gene regulation.
 

Imcamping86

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UV is not simple science, many have tried to say and plug this option before.

I'm seeing a lot of stupid ideas resurfacing and wondering if there is anything new or just clever advertising for greenies and nothing for the more scientific or tryptophan fans.
but it IS simple science. Cause and effect . Plant burns up from intense uvb rays , plant increases trichome production as a result . Will it be in a grand scale , probably not. But I mean the light is like 100$ for that kind of money it’s worth the try . Most led lights used today don’t even touch receptors A and B . There are commercial growers that do this . If it didn’t do anything I couldn’t imagine them wasting countless dollars on multiple units ..... just my opinion .
 

BBQtoast

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but it IS simple science. Cause and effect . Plant burns up from intense uvb rays , plant increases trichome production as a result . Will it be in a grand scale , probably not. But I mean the light is like 100$ for that kind of money it’s worth the try . Most led lights used today don’t even touch receptors A and B . There are commercial growers that do this . If it didn’t do anything I couldn’t imagine them wasting countless dollars on multiple units ..... just my opinion .
Challenge accepted, can you cause a 30% increase in the in a 30% thc strain?

30% + 30% - 39% thc.

Simple science till I put numbers to theirs and it starts becoming the next breakthrough for some reason we have missed till now in all the outdoor crops that get a lot of UV at these lengths. Indoor wouldn't even be as popular if outdoors was some next level shit.

The cause and effect is I have to listen to shit with massive margins, either it's true or its for new growers who can still believe some form of magic bean theory.
 

Imcamping86

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Challenge accepted, can you cause a 30% increase in the in a 30% thc strain?

30% + 30% - 39% thc.

Simple science till I put numbers to theirs and it starts becoming the next breakthrough for some reason we have missed till now in all the outdoor crops that get a lot of UV at these lengths. Indoor wouldn't even be as popular if outdoors was some next level shit.

The cause and effect is I have to listen to shit with massive margins, either it's true or its for new growers who can still believe some form of magic bean theory.


I didn’t say anything about 30% . I’m just saying commercial growers and home growers use this method and are happy with results . It sounds like you want cold hard evidence or before and after pictures ...... I wish I got that with a lot of life’s purchases ............ good luck with your grow sir .
 

NukaKola

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Agromax Pure UV is another great option if you are considering Solacure. Fairly cheap and uses a standard T5 fixture which most growers have laying around.
 

BBQtoast

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I didn’t say anything about 30% . I’m just saying commercial growers and home growers use this method and are happy with results . It sounds like you want cold hard evidence or before and after pictures ...... I wish I got that with a lot of life’s purchases ............ good luck with your grow sir .
Proof yes please, before every led light starts claiming 30% more thc as they start adding in UV.

Otherwise I'd be happy to say UV adds a small amount some grower seeking that tiny bit of extra excellence might look for and work for and leave it at that.

I can make up claims, I have tubes here at the right wavelength for CBD and tests show Mr.FuzzyHaze who used these in his grow got 25% extra CBD. It's best for sativa and CBD strains but you will get easy ten percent extra CBD on all indica strains. Only $100 to outfit a Hlg 650.

Far harder to prove anything in a bunch of growers who want UV to perpell them to some next level shit when they already believe anything loosely related to anything.
 

Imcamping86

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Proof yes please, before every led light starts claiming 30% more thc as they start adding in UV.

Otherwise I'd be happy to say UV adds a small amount some grower seeking that tiny bit of extra excellence might look for and work for and leave it at that.

I can make up claims, I have tubes here at the right wavelength for CBD and tests show Mr.FuzzyHaze who used these in his grow got 25% extra CBD. It's best for sativa and CBD strains but you will get easy ten percent extra CBD on all indica strains. Only $100 to outfit a Hlg 650.

Far harder to prove anything in a bunch of growers who want UV to perpell them to some next level shit when they already believe anything loosely related to anything.
And what about commercial growers using this equipment? Are they looking for “ some next level shit “ ?
 

Imcamping86

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Proof yes please, before every led light starts claiming 30% more thc as they start adding in UV.

Otherwise I'd be happy to say UV adds a small amount some grower seeking that tiny bit of extra excellence might look for and work for and leave it at that.

I can make up claims, I have tubes here at the right wavelength for CBD and tests show Mr.FuzzyHaze who used these in his grow got 25% extra CBD. It's best for sativa and CBD strains but you will get easy ten percent extra CBD on all indica strains. Only $100 to outfit a Hlg 650.

Far harder to prove anything in a bunch of growers who want UV to perpell them to some next level shit when they already believe anything loosely related to anything.
you are the only one that is wanting next level shit . Everyone that is giving you feed back is saying it gave a noticeable difference. And that they’re happy . From my researches on the mater , I’ve heard 15-20% . I will be going this route . I think it is worth the small investment.
 

jimihendrix1

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#1 they dont claim they can take a 30% strain, and increase it 30%. They say its strain dependent, and can vary from 15%-33%. They also state 30+ percent is extreme. So thats not the norm, and taking the facts out of context.
The main thing does it increase potency, and from what Ive used yes it does, and my buddies could also tell the difference. I didnt tell them, but the first time I smoked some with them, they commented the weed seemed better than usual, and I had been growing that strain over 5 years, and still have it 2 years later.

Also this does not change the fact it affects terpenes, and other chemicals, not just THC... This has also been studied by Perdue University in Tomatoes, and was found to increase terpenes.

It also takes expensive, specialized glass to transmit 280nm, and cannot be reflected by normal means. UVB intself cant be reflected by normal means. I believe it takes some kind of Phosphorous coating.. The Sola Cure has the reflector built into the bulb. I also run them at 40w vs 22w.
 
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BBQtoast

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#1 they dont claim they can take a 30% strain, and increase it 30%. They say its strain dependent, and can vary from 15%-33%. They also state 30+ percent is extreme. So thats not the norm, and taking the facts out of context.
The main thing does it increase potency, and from what Ive used yes it does, and my buddies could also tell the difference. I didnt tell them, but the first time I smoked some with them, they commented the weed seemed better than usual, and I had been growing that strain over 5 years, and still have it 2 years later.

Also this does not change the fact it affects terpenes, and other chemicals, not just THC... This has also been studied by Perdue University in Tomatoes, and was found to increase terpenes
So really the shit I grow will only see a small difference, there won't be a big payoff, people might notice a small difference, that little extra.

Maybe they should advertise correctly, everything says I get super increase not just friends commenting but friends tripping out, saying holy fuck what is this new shit it's a lot stronger than your last crop, did you sprinkle thc on this?

Hope you get me, I'm not you, if someone says I'm getting something and they fob me off with some small change then really fuck you. Blurples did that to everyone, were you happy with that, seems like your doing the same again. I did think if someone claimed 30% that I could hit that or close not be subjective or a newbie who can only aim for a few of those percent.

Wasn't happy with Hlg, Mars hydro many others, big shit talkers who will love this 30% thc shit, fuck might even increase it to35 or 40 knowing how they do business.

So before shit hits all these companies fans, solacure bullshit or next level shit?

Someone could have just said UV adds 5%, I would of handed over that $100 even championed that shit for you, 30% go fuck the pile of money you just made mines not going to be part of it.
 
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^^^Study done by experts, guys with PhD's.

- 25mg THC per 1g of bud at <1KJ/day UVB
- 32mg THC per 1g of bud at ~13kJ/day UVB

32mg ÷ 25mg = 1.28; 28% increase

This study was done decades ago in the 1980's. Tbh UVB and the effect on THC is kinda an old discovery but imo its now gaining popularity again due to increasing legality. MJ hasn't been legal till recently so there hasn't been a push to sell products designed to optimize their cultivation till more recently, ie UVB. All the UV sources currently being used are being repurposed from other industry and devices and aren't specifically designed for MJ, and imo the headache of trying to fit the square peg into the round hole has kept most away from implementing. The upside can be significant (or so its been documented) but you can also fry your plants and hurt your eyes and skin with great ease (and perhaps there's other biochemical pathways being investigated that are safer that achieve the same outcome). Imo manufacturers aren't adding UVB rn due to liability and safety concerns. Also, The cost hasn't been very effective and the longevity is far reduced. There's just a lot of hurdles industry wise before it can become widely accepted. If you do a bit of learning and dig to find the relevant factors then you can implement and design your own UVB system.

- Review photoreceptors and their role
- Understand what absorption, transmittance, and reflectance spectra are
- Understand the difference between energy of the emission vs the energy required by the source
- Understand how to extrapolate relative spectrums into real life data
- Understand UVI and its implications in determining doseage
- Understand what irradiance is and how to calculate
- Understand the relationship between photons and energy, though most of the units that you'll be dealing with will be in terms of energy, so is probably last on the list


Off the top of my head that's kinda what you'd want to familiarize yourself with if you were trying to design a DIY custom UV system yourself. You don't need to become an expert, but having a bit of knowledge on what you're trying to target and how intense and for how long ect will help you narrow it down a little bit better.
Idk about exact THC % increases, and obvi a company selling a product is going to oversell than under sell. I don't think you'll get a garunteed X% increase, but the science does point to a correlation between UVB intensity and THC concentration.
 

jimihendrix1

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So really the shit I grow will only see a small difference, there won't be a big payoff, people might notice a small difference, that little extra.

Maybe they should advertise correctly, everything says I get super increase not just friends commenting but friends tripping out, saying holy fuck what is this new shit it's a lot stronger than your last crop, did you sprinkle thc on this?

Hope you get me, I'm not you, if someone says I'm getting something and they fob me off with some small change then really fuck you. Blurples did that to everyone, were you happy with that, seems like your doing the same again. I did think if someone claimed 30% that I could hit that or close not be subjective or a newbie who can only aim for a few of those percent.

Wasn't happy with Hlg, Mars hydro many others, big shit talkers who will love this 30% thc shit, fuck might even increase it to35 or 40 knowing how they do business.

So before shit hits all these companies fans, solacure bullshit or next level shit?

Someone could have just said UV adds 5%, I would of handed over that $100 even championed that shit for you, 30% go fuck the pile of money you just made mines not going to be part of it.

Never used a Blurple dude. Ne3ver flowered with an LED either.

Im mainly an 1150w DE Gavita, and 1000w Hortilux HPS kind of guy.

I do use a Gavita 1700e for Veg. Ive been growing with HID since they came out in the mid/late 70s.

My seedlings never see less than a 1000w Hortilux HPS in a 4 x 4 area. I also use 2x 4ft Solacure in a 4 x 4 from Seedlings - Flowering.

But Ive never used a Blurple. Sounds like you have.
 

PJ Diaz

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The side by studies I've seen show around a 6% increase in TCH (ie: 20% THC vs 21.5% THC), but it also seems to increase other cannabinoid levels, specifically cbd. More importantly it increases terpines, which may be more important in the high than THC itself. In terms of the 30% number, I think that could be possible with low THC strains. As an example, a 10% THC strain might be increased to 13% with the addition of UV, which would be 30% increase. Some strains are also more effected than others by UV. Plus, once you get to the high THC strains, it will be nearly impossible to hit big % increases, but that doesn't mean that 30watts/sq meter of UV doesn't pay for itself, especially if you grow for concentrates.

The jury's still out of UVA vs UVB, but in terms of whether it's worth it or not, an Agromax PureUV lamp is pretty cheap, and it worth the addition IMO.

Here's some numbers from a side by side using HLG's UVA lights:

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BBQtoast

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Never used a Blurple dude. Ne3ver flowered with an LED either.

Im mainly an 1150w DE Gavita, and 1000w Hortilux HPS kind of guy.

I do use a Gavita 1700e for Veg. Ive been growing with HID since they came out in the mid/late 70s.

My seedlings never see less than a 1000w Hortilux HPS in a 4 x 4 area. I also use 2x 4ft Solacure in a 4 x 4 from Seedlings - Flowering.

But Ive never used a Blurple. Sounds like you have.
Used a lot of things, sometimes even the sun but in my country that's the shitest grow light of them all
 

BBQtoast

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The side by studies I've seen show around a 6% increase in TCH (ie: 20% THC vs 21.5% THC), but it also seems to increase other cannabinoid levels, specifically cbd. More importantly it increases terpines, which may be more important in the high than THC itself. In terms of the 30% number, I think that could be possible with low THC strains. As an example, a 10% THC strain might be increased to 13% with the addition of UV, which would be 30% increase. Some strains are also more effected than others by UV. Plus, once you get to the high THC strains, it will be nearly impossible to hit big % increases, but that doesn't mean that 30watts/sq meter of UV doesn't pay for itself, especially if you grow for concentrates.

The jury's still out of UVA vs UVB, but in terms of whether it's worth it or not, an Agromax PureUV lamp is pretty cheap, and it worth the addition IMO.

Here's some numbers from a side by side using HLG's UVA lights:

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Nice work.
 

Bookush34

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@BBQtoast
Why so much hate?
Their is plenty of evidence (3rd party) that prove UVA/UVB increase THC and other cannabinoids in the plant.

so your hate is towards the science? Or the claims? Or you got a beef with the company?

you just come across as “I am right until proven otherwize” But it’s not ok for a company to publish their findings?

are you against all advertising or just things that go against what you believe?
 

Green Refuge

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I would like to try uv but I imagine it would be a pain in the butt trying to mount and maneuver the uv around my LED light, CMH light and fan/filter. Maybe a single bulb fixture down the center would work.
 
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