Rdwc vs ebb n flow vs aeroponics

xX24nuggetsXx

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Hey so I’ve recently been growing in coco and I’ve always wanted to grow in a proper hydroponics system now my question is which system is the most cost efficient system? I’ve watched a lot of videos which people make it seem as though the growth rate in these systems is pretty much the same (unless I’m watching videos with misleading information). Also another big factor is maintenance, which of these systems require the least maintenance to maintain?
Thanks heaps :bigjoint:
 

J. Rocket

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not a recirculating system but...
6x6 rockwool blocks, drip irrigation, drain to waste with GH flora 3 part nutrients(or any non-living type)
clean out the nutes tank (7 gallon) maybe once a week.
very little maintenance. the less you fuck with it the easier it goes.
also not an expensive way to grow.
 

xX24nuggetsXx

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not a recirculating system but...
6x6 rockwool blocks, drip irrigation, drain to waste with GH flora 3 part nutrients(or any non-living type)
clean out the nutes tank (7 gallon) maybe once a week.
very little maintenance. the less you fuck with it the easier it goes.
also not an expensive way to grow.
What size would these plants get to though? Would this be more of a sea of green type of method?
 

Thundercat

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Ebb and flow sea of green with many smallish clones and minimal veg time is the most efficient, highest yields of the best quality, in the shortest amount of time. You can do that with coco, personally I always used hydroton or grow rocks.

I typically had 45ish plants in 6 inch pots in a 4x4 tray under a 1k hps in a wide air cooled hood. I averaged between 20-30g dried per plant depending on which genetics I had running. It produced only top shelf nugs and nearly zero larf because you didn’t grow little lower branches, each plant was mostly just a big single cola. The plants were only vegged for about 2 weeks to build a good root system, and then flowered about 7-8 inches tall.
 

xX24nuggetsXx

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Ebb and flow sea of green with many smallish clones and minimal veg time is the most efficient, highest yields of the best quality, in the shortest amount of time. You can do that with coco, personally I always used hydroton or grow rocks.

I typically had 45ish plants in 6 inch pots in a 4x4 tray under a 1k hps in a wide air cooled hood. I averaged between 20-30g dried per plant depending on which genetics I had running. It produced only top shelf nugs and nearly zero larf because you didn’t grow little lower branches, each plant was mostly just a big single cola. The plants were only vegged for about 2 weeks to build a good root system, and then flowered about 7-8 inches tall.
Yeah nice I’d definitely rather just get all tops and not have to worry about any larf it would make life so much easier! So are you saying that you would get between 2-3 pounds in your grow cycle? And do you mean 2 weeks veg from when the clones were taken or 2 weeks from when the clones started to root? So your plants total height was 7-8 inches?
 

farmerfischer

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Ebb & flow/ flood & drain is the way i went when i did hydro.. it can be built out of about anything so its a pretty cheap start up.. just need 550 gph or higher pump and some aquaium shit.. i used regular square pots at first which worked fine but i did get net pots later.. and its real easy to clean..
 

xX24nuggetsXx

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Ebb & flow/ flood & drain is the way i went when i did hydro.. it can be built out of about anything so its a pretty cheap start up.. just need 550 gph or higher pump and some aquaium shit.. i used regular square pots at first which worked fine but i did get net pots later.. and its real easy to clean..
Awesome I’ll definitely have to have a look into it! Does this method still have rapid plant growth?
 

Tolerance Break

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Not sure if its the most cost efficient, but 4x4in rockwool cubes in a 3x3 OD flood tray with a scalable rez is solid. You can grow as many or as few plants as you would like, and its fairly fool proof.

Not including the lights, or tent, The most expensive part was the tray, somewhere north of $200. I order my cubes in bulk at roughly $1.13 a cube for 144 cubes. I got the big bags of Jacks part A and B, with epsom from Wal-Mart, well over 3 years worth of nutes for less than $150. Pool shock costs $10 for more than I can use before it goes bad in another year or so. Ro filters are personal preference, I got a 5 stage off Amazon for $300, hooked it up to a $30 plastic trash bin with a $5 nozzle at the bottom to fill up 6 gallon jugs to bring up to the grow space (had to set it up in my basement, would not recommend). Got AC infinity gear for airflow at, probably around $350 for a 6in fan, 4in fan, and the 67 controller. Factor in my horizontal tower fan for cannopy air flow at $60. Oh, pumps, hoses, and res bin cost just under $100.

So 1370 roughly for the whole set up (minus lights and tents) but everything i have will last me a very, very long time as long as I keep up with good cleaning practices.

Scrub your res every week with a little bit of white vinegar to keep salts from building up, and do the same with the flood tray between every grow. I soak my food and drain kit in vinegar and then give it a once over with a brush between every grow aswell. You can put the pump and hose in a bucket with a shallow solution of water and vinegar to achieve the same effect, let it dry, and then do the same process with a 10% bleach solution for sterility.

Just my 2 cents.
 

xX24nuggetsXx

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Not sure if its the most cost efficient, but 4x4in rockwool cubes in a 3x3 OD flood tray with a scalable rez is solid. You can grow as many or as few plants as you would like, and its fairly fool proof.

Not including the lights, or tent, The most expensive part was the tray, somewhere north of $200. I order my cubes in bulk at roughly $1.13 a cube for 144 cubes. I got the big bags of Jacks part A and B, with epsom from Wal-Mart, well over 3 years worth of nutes for less than $150. Pool shock costs $10 for more than I can use before it goes bad in another year or so. Ro filters are personal preference, I got a 5 stage off Amazon for $300, hooked it up to a $30 plastic trash bin with a $5 nozzle at the bottom to fill up 6 gallon jugs to bring up to the grow space (had to set it up in my basement, would not recommend). Got AC infinity gear for airflow at, probably around $350 for a 6in fan, 4in fan, and the 67 controller. Factor in my horizontal tower fan for cannopy air flow at $60. Oh, pumps, hoses, and res bin cost just under $100.

So 1370 roughly for the whole set up (minus lights and tents) but everything i have will last me a very, very long time as long as I keep up with good cleaning practices.

Scrub your res every week with a little bit of white vinegar to keep salts from building up, and do the same with the flood tray between every grow. I soak my food and drain kit in vinegar and then give it a once over with a brush between every grow aswell. You can put the pump and hose in a bucket with a shallow solution of water and vinegar to achieve the same effect, let it dry, and then do the same process with a 10% bleach solution for sterility.

Just my 2 cents.
Yeah I’ve already got my own light and I do have a tent but I’ve just built a room so I’m gunna get rid of the tent and just grow in the room I’ve had nothing but humidity issues inside a tent in my last 2 grows even with a dehumidifier obviously it wasn’t big enough but I feel like it effected the yield and quality by the end of it. I definitely like the sound of your idea It sounds much cheaper to run then what a proper Rdwc system would for sure!
 

bubblescrogs

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Depends on your hourly rate. Time can be a big factor in some of the most efficient systems. Top fed recirculating systems are a good happy medium imo. Cheap to setup, easy to operate and expand/shrink the number of plants. Less worry about having a cold/sterile res compared to DWC. Only drama I ever had was roots getting so big they'd start to overflow in the last week or two. Threw some pot socks on and never had an issue since. Lose power for a few days you can just hand water them. Aeroponics will be dead in hours if the system fails.
 

xX24nuggetsXx

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Depends on your hourly rate. Time can be a big factor in some of the most efficient systems. Top fed recirculating systems are a good happy medium imo. Cheap to setup, easy to operate and expand/shrink the number of plants. Less worry about having a cold/sterile res compared to DWC. Only drama I ever had was roots getting so big they'd start to overflow in the last week or two. Threw some pot socks on and never had an issue since. Lose power for a few days you can just hand water them. Aeroponics will be dead in hours if the system fails.
well I live in aus so my hourly rate is high at $0.30c per kWh I have solar though which definitely makes a difference. So are you saying a top feed recirculating system doesn’t require a chiller? Or do you just have to use more bennies? Does the pot socks just hold the root ball in?
 
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