Has anybody heard of this National ID Card?

[iblazethatkush]

No, sorry but I didn't watch the video clip. I use the computer at work and it doesn't have a sound card.

But I'll say this: Is this the hand of government you and other's in this forum want to place our entire health care system into? In addition to all the other information Hillary will have on us, do you want her to also have our entire medical histories from birth to death, or would you rather have that information kept private between you and your doctor? How about you Med?

Vi

I think u got me confused. I don't want the gov't involved in the health care system. I'm for states rights, I think the federal gov't should stay out of shit like that. I actually believe more in Republican values than Democrat values. But, the Republican party has lost it's way(except Ron Paul). I would be a proud Republican if the rest of the party was like R.P. But that's not going to happen. So I'm an independent who chooses to vote for the lesser of two evils, which in most cases is the Democratic party.

 

[dankie]

They don't talk about it in MSM television. Who said it was illegal to talk about?

They don't talk about it because it is 2 year old news. it is a few months away from going into the history books. Sorry you said banned.

Federal ID plan raises privacy concerns - CNN.com

Can't gt any more mainstream than CNN.

 

[ViRedd]

I think u got me confused. I don't want the gov't involved in the health care system. I'm for states rights, I think the federal gov't should stay out of shit like that. I actually believe more in Republican values than Democrat values. But, the Republican party has lost it's way(except Ron Paul). I would be a proud Republican if the rest of the party was like R.P. But that's not going to happen. So I'm an independent who chooses to vote for the lesser of two evils, which in most cases is the Democratic party.

Yes, sorry ... I did get you confused. And for the record, I agree with everything you posted above except the part about the Dems being the lesser of two evils.

Vi

 

[iblazethatkush]

Yes, sorry ... I did get you confused. And for the record, I agree with everything you posted above except the part about the Dems being the lesser of two evils.

Vi

We ain't so different in our political views. I just don't like the way the Republican party is, right now. If they actually followed their values: Small federal gov't, state's rights, low taxes, non-intervenitionism, low gov't spending. I would be a Republican myself. I just don't see George Bush doing any of this and I wasn't politically aware the last time we had a Republican president, so I can't comment on that.

 

[highguy4706]

The truth is even those of you who say that you are willing to do what it takes arent willing to do enough do you really think we can change a law with marching in the streets. Thats a fucking part of there control they set it so we wont go any further than that. What it would take is beyond most of what you could even think but i know, and you know as well, deep down inside.

 

[iblazethatkush]

Here's how you know for sure this shit is no good. It was passed without any knowledge or discussion about it in congress. It was slipped into a several-hundred page long bill that was sure to be passed by congress. It was one tiny page in the Emergency Supplemental Appropriation for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005. Once learned about this many congressman were shocked and had no idea of this provision. It certainly would have been very unlikely to pass if congress were allowed to have an open discussion about it, instead of being tricked into passing it. Can anybody say Patriot Act?

 

[skunkushybrid]

The truth is even those of you who say that you are willing to do what it takes arent willing to do enough do you really think we can change a law with marching in the streets. Thats a fucking part of there control they set it so we wont go any further than that. What it would take is beyond most of what you could even think but i know, and you know as well, deep down inside.

Agreed. Marching is no good... but what it does do is rally a lot of people together all at one time, which are then heavily controlled by police forces. They always have control, while we are left to argue over shades of grey (gray). This world is in a crisis, not just socially but also environmentally. there is an answer that can solve both of these things. that answer is the same reason we joined this site in the first place. We need to take back our rights.

If every one of us started growing cannabis in our gardens, there isn't anything they can do to stop us. You're right highguy, too many of us like to talk, talk, talk... where is the action?

 

[natmoon]

Yes. The control of us all does seem very iminent. Like you said, this could've been happening years ago... it's the reason i'm against the MMR jab over here. None of my kids have had it, and they're all just getting over the chicken pox now. No problem. Mumps, no real problem. few days off school the kids are fine. Plus I believe it helps build a healthy efficient immune system.

We get around 20 letters a week (vast exaggeration) informing (not asking if we'd like one) us of new appointments for the jab, phone calls too... and this is despite me telling them no over and over again.

I don't trust them. Anyone that can take medicine away from the common man, put it in prescription only, then charge us money for it... when it is simple enough for us to cultivate ourselves (not just cannabis), is taking away our liberty. They seek to control us, and medicine is only one aspect of that. Being in possesion of a controlled substance (ie, prescription drugs) can lead to loss of liberty. WTF?

Something me and you agree on!!!
My boys have also had no MMR jabs.
I would never give them a supposed preventative that may have even a one in a million chance of turning my kids handicapped.
How can we take that chance with their lives?
I also do not trust them.

When Princess Diana died the Queen of our country got Paul Burrel released from charges that were probably trumped up against him and she stated and i quote the Queen of England "There are some very dark forces at work in our world right now!"
If our own Queen is saying that then i reckon that we should be worried

 

[skunkushybrid]

Something me and you agree on!!!
My boys have also had no MMR jabs.
I would never give them a supposed preventative that may have even a one in a million chance of turning my kids handicapped.
How can we take that chance with their lives?
I also do not trust them.

When Princess Diana died the Queen of our country got Paul Burrel released from charges that were probably trumped up against him and she stated and i quote the Queen of England "There are some very dark forces at work in our world right now!"
If our own Queen is saying that then i reckon that we should be worried

yes but in allhonesty, royalty is the original dark force. She's only saying that now because she's just as controlled as we are. Imagine trying to live her life. Yes, they have money and can laze around all day, but they are under constant pressures from the media, and our parliament to perform well for the country. In most part, this entails visiting foreign countries as a figurehead to bring in revenue. Parliament is a good thing, but it's controlled too easily by corruption. Weare letting them go too far. France right now is in turmoil, i'm not suggesting that we start the same thing... but if we all just started peacefully growing in our gardens, they wouldn't have the resources to stop us.

 

[natmoon]

yes but in allhonesty, royalty is the original dark force. She's only saying that now because she's just as controlled as we are. Imagine trying to live her life. Yes, they have money and can laze around all day, but they are under constant pressures from the media, and our parliament to perform well for the country. In most part, this entails visiting foreign countries as a figurehead to bring in revenue. Parliament is a good thing, but it's controlled too easily by corruption. Weare letting them go too far. France right now is in turmoil, i'm not suggesting that we start the same thing... but if we all just started peacefully growing in our gardens, they wouldn't have the resources to stop us.

I think the Queen is just as likely to be a puppet of these dark forces as we are,shes just a richer,better looked after puppet.

I also agree that if we all stuck together and just grew it theres nothing they could do about it.

The real trick is to organize such a nationwide grow op,and also realizing that 10 years in jail is what happens if you do organize such a thing.
Encouraging people into civil disobedience is the way forward and the key to not being charged with incitement and conspiracy.

I believe that eventually people will do this anyway especially as it begins to become common knowledge that cannabis can help,preventive or even heal cancer in some cases.
How many people are going to watch their family's or children die when they hear of cannabis helping or healing cancer?

 

[skunkushybrid]

10 years? Long time... what would they define as encouraging civil disobedience?

There level of control and fear knows no bounds. For them to even threaten that shows the level of their own fear. What makes them think that someone could cause civil disobedience? If the people rise up, then isn't this what parliament is meant to be about in the first place? For the people?

They're not for the people... they lie and deceive us... murder hundreds of thousands of people. They only interested in money, which strangely enough can be printed very easily.

I do not see an ordered society, I see one teetering on the brink of collapse.

 

[natmoon]

10 years? Long time... what would they define as encouraging civil disobedience?

There level of control and fear knows no bounds. For them to even threaten that shows the level of their own fear. What makes them think that someone could cause civil disobedience? If the people rise up, then isn't this what parliament is meant to be about in the first place? For the people?

They're not for the people... they lie and deceive us... murder hundreds of thousands of people. They only interested in money, which strangely enough can be printed very easily.

I do not see an ordered society, I see one teetering on the brink of collapse.

I totally agree with you,my point was that if you encourage civil disobedience they cannot arrest you for it whereas organizing and encouraging the nation to grow weed in their gardens would be classed as incitement and conspiracy which is exactly why all of the seed shops have disclaimers about the seeds i.e. these seeds are sold for food use only,we do not encourage anyone to break the law blah blah blah.

Civil disobedience is a kind of loophole for people that want to demonstrate their lack of faith and belief in a law that they believe to be unjust without falling foul of the higher charges of conspiracy etc.
Obviously you can still be arrested but you cant be charged with high sentence offences as long as you stick to the code of civil disobedience

Civil disobedience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[skunkushybrid]

Good point. Which is why there cannot be any leaders in something like this. We just have to all agree that it is the right thing to do... parliament are merely a representation of the people... they pass laws all the time without asking us. Let's do the same thing.

 

[medicineman]

Good point. Which is why there cannot be any leaders in something like this. We just have to all agree that it is the right thing to do... parliament are merely a representation of the people... they pass laws all the time without asking us. Let's do the same thing.

I think you Brits have a much more sane government than the USA. I've watched your parliment and the prime ministers question period. Tony Blair, for all his faults, was ths sharpest tack in the box. He always had an answer to any question. I can only imagine what a fiasco it would be if Bush had to answer questions like that.... "Duuuuuhhhhh I don't really know about that", "Ask Dick". At least your leader had brains unlike ours who was a dumbass from grade school on.

 

[natmoon]

All we have to do is keep talking

 

[medicineman]

All we have to do is keep talking

Yeah before the NSA gets a line on your home address and takes action to stop us terrorists from talking to each other and conspiring to grow the illegal mindwash drug known as Weed,~LOL~, actually that is not funny as that conjecture may be closer than we think. It's not paranoia if it is actually happening, I believe someone famous said that.

 

[fdd2blk]

pot growers are terrorists.

freedom of information act.

better lock the doors.

 

[natmoon]

Yeah before the NSA gets a line on your home address and takes action to stop us terrorists from talking to each other and conspiring to grow the illegal mindwash drug known as Weed,~LOL~, actually that is not funny as that conjecture may be closer than we think. It's not paranoia if it is actually happening, I believe someone famous said that.

What Americans will tolerate and what we English will tolerate are 2 very different things.
Trust me there would be all hell let loose here if they ever even tried that

We already have test areas in england that have decriminalized weed for personal possession of small amounts of cannabis,something that our Labour govt and Tony Blair came up with and kept fairly quiet for fear of losing more conservatively minded voters,but they did it anyway and fair shout to them for it.

Eventually we will be free whether they like it or not,a storm is probably coming

 

[fdd2blk]

The Associated Press: Sarkozy Calls French Riots Unacceptable



".....On Monday night, rioters used shotguns raising fears the clashes could turn deadly...."

"....Four young people were convicted in fast-track trials Tuesday to several months in prison for participating in the violence...."

 

[medicineman]

What Americans will tolerate and what we English will tolerate are 2 very different things.
Trust me there would be all hell let loose here if they ever even tried that


This is a very true statement. I certainly wish we (Americans) would grow some balls and confront our leaders with some demands, trouble is, our leaders would confront us with the police and troops that they so skillfully hide behind. Amerika is almost lost, who will save the day?