25 questions to all who think that USA economic recovery is possible!

rampagen08

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#1) In what universe is an economy with 39.68 million Americans on food stamps considered to be a healthy, recovering economy? In fact, the U.S. Department of Agriculture forecasts that enrollment in the food stamp program will exceed 43 million Americans in 2011. Is a rapidly increasing number of Americans on food stamps a good sign or a bad sign for the economy?
#2) According to RealtyTrac, foreclosure filings were reported on 367,056 properties in the month of March. This was an increase of almost 19 percent from February, and it was the highest monthly total since RealtyTrac began issuing its report back in January 2005. So can you please explain again how the U.S. real estate market is getting better?
#3) The Mortgage Bankers Association just announced that more than 10 percent of U.S. homeowners with a mortgage had missed at least one payment in the January-March period. That was a record high and up from 9.1 percent a year ago. Do you think that is an indication that the U.S. housing market is recovering?
#4) How can the U.S. real estate market be considered healthy when, for the first time in modern history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together?
#5) With the U.S. Congress planning to quadruple oil taxes, what do you think that is going to do to the price of gasoline in the United States and how do you think that will affect the U.S. economy?
#6) Do you think that it is a good sign that Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governor of the state of California, says that “terrible cuts” are urgently needed in order to avoid a complete financial disaster in his state?
#7) But it just isn’t California that is in trouble. Dozens of U.S. states are in such bad financial shape that they are getting ready for their biggest budget cuts in decades. What do you think all of those budget cuts will do to the economy?
#8) In March, the U.S. trade deficit widened to its highest level since December 2008. Month after month after month we buy much more from the rest of the world than they buy from us. Wealth is draining out of the United States at an unprecedented rate. So is the fact that the gigantic U.S. trade deficit is actually getting bigger a good sign or a bad sign for the U.S. economy?
#9) Considering the fact that the U.S. government is projected to have a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit in 2010, and considering the fact that if you went out and spent one dollar every single second it would take you more than 31,000 years to spend a trillion dollars, how can anyone in their right mind claim that the U.S. economy is getting healthier when we are getting into so much debt?
#10) The U.S. Treasury Department recently announced that the U.S. government suffered a wider-than-expected budget deficit of 82.69 billion dollars in April. So is the fact that the red ink of the U.S. government is actually worse than projected a good sign or a bad sign?
#11) According to one new report, the U.S. national debt will reach 100 percent of GDP by the year 2015. So is that a sign of economic recovery or of economic disaster?
#12) Monstrous amounts of oil continue to gush freely into the Gulf of Mexico, and analysts are already projecting that the seafood and tourism industries along the Gulf coast will be devastated for decades by this unprecedented environmental disaster. In light of those facts, how in the world can anyone project that the U.S. economy will soon be stronger than ever?
#13) The FDIC’s list of problem banks recently hit a 17-year high. Do you think that an increasing number of small banks failing is a good sign or a bad sign for the U.S. economy?
#14) The FDIC is backing 8,000 banks that have a total of $13 trillion in assets with a deposit insurance fund that is basically flat broke. So what do you think will happen if a significant number of small banks do start failing?
#15) Existing home sales in the United States jumped 7.6 percent in April. That is the good news. The bad news is that this increase only happened because the deadline to take advantage of the temporary home buyer tax credit (government bribe) was looming. So now that there is no more tax credit for home buyers, what will that do to home sales?
#16) Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac recently told the U.S. government that they are going to need even more bailout money. So what does it say about the U.S. economy when the two “pillars” of the U.S. mortgage industry are government-backed financial black holes that the U.S. government has to relentlessly pour money into?
#17) 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved for retirement. Tens of millions of Americans find themselves just one lawsuit, one really bad traffic accident or one very serious illness away from financial ruin. With so many Americans living on the edge, how can you say that the economy is healthy?
#18) The mayor of Detroit says that the real unemployment rate in his city is somewhere around 50 percent. So can the U.S. really be experiencing an economic recovery when so many are still unemployed in one of America’s biggest cities?
#19) Gallup’s measure of underemployment hit 20.0% on March 15th. That was up from 19.7% two weeks earlier and 19.5% at the start of the year. Do you think that is a good trend or a bad trend?
#20) One new poll shows that 76 percent of Americans believe that the U.S. economy is still in a recession. So are the vast majority of Americans just stupid or could we still actually be in a recession?
#21) The bottom 40 percent of those living in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth. So is Barack Obama’s mantra that “what is good for Wall Street is good for Main Street” actually true?
#22) Richard Russell, the famous author of the Dow Theory Letters, says that Americans should sell anything they can sell in order to get liquid because of the economic trouble that is coming. Do you think that Richard Russell is delusional or could he possibly have a point?
#23) Defaults on apartment building mortgages held by U.S. banks climbed to a record 4.6 percent in the first quarter of 2010. In fact, that was almost twice the level of a year earlier. Does that look like a good trend to you?
#24) In March, the price of fresh and dried vegetables in the United States soared 49.3% - the most in 16 years. Is it a sign of a healthy economy when food prices are increasing so dramatically?
#25) 1.41 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009 – a 32 percent increase over 2008. Not only that, more Americans filed for bankruptcy in March 2010 than during any month since U.S. bankruptcy law was tightened in October 2005. So shouldn’t we at least wait until the number of Americans filing for bankruptcy is not setting new all-time records before we even dare whisper the words “economic recovery”?
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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thats a bit much to read, however, i believe the economic recovery will work because deficit or not. the debt will never ever ever be paid off... we have had this debt for what, 100 or 200 years now? yea.. im pretty sure it will never even be possible to pay back unless america is more ran like a business where the american people are all employed by the government making the government money instead of individual greedy ceo's.
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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no, the central bank was barely founded last century..
1950's is when the debt started to be piled on.
i dont think you can have an economy without money equally more debt unless you only have bartering which is unrealistic due to some things have mass and weight differences. lol
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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i dont see your point, or understand your dialog.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/hist.pdf

states that in 1910 we, America, were 2.6 billion dollars in debt.
just with the creation of the paper currency, including the dollar, comes with debt from the federal reserve. every dollar printed for us is owed 1 dollar + interests. the interest way back was higher, but up until the recent 2008 debt crisis we have lowered the interest to .5% . but every dollar that we printed = more debt for america. the only way to rid this debt coming from the federal reserve is if we got rid of the dollar and went back to bartering, but to trade an ounce of gold for an equal amount of potatoes is an unreasonable amount of weight to exchange. this is why we have the dollar. if you are worrying about the debt in america, then do something about the debt caused by every dollar printed. that laymen enough for you?
 

rampagen08

Active Member
i see now, but then why can't we go back to treasurey notes? which is what we had after the first central bank was abolished by andrew jackson
each printed dollar was part of a physical supply of gold the government owned, which we dont anymore.
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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i see now, but then why can't we go back to treasurey notes? which is what we had after the first central bank was abolished by andrew jackson
each printed dollar was part of a physical supply of gold the government owned, which we dont anymore.
yea, if you can think of a way we can do this, there is a possibility we can get rid of the debt.. lol
 

ganjaluvr

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I'll try and make this is as simple as possible and as short as possible.


Until the President of the United States of America actually puts his foot down and gets things started.. we'll never recover. In fact, I see it as just getting worse.. not better.. Unless! like I said, Mr. Osama i mean Obama.. stops talking about shit being done and puts his foot forward and gets everything started and going. Period.

I personally think that he should be voted out of his Presidency. I think we.. the citizens of America.. deserve the choice as being free Americans.. deserve the choice to be able to hold a second vote, but have it to where the vote doesn't start unless we, the citizens of this great Nation all decide that its necessary to invoke (or vote the current President out of office) and have the Vice President of the USA, automatically pushed in, in order to replace him.

I personally did vote for the guy.. so I'm to blame as well. However tho, I did vote for him.. I, was probably doing it for all the same reasons as everyone else. I was thinking "Well, he's black. This could be cool.. and good!!. Hell, I'm going to vote for President Obama and he'll win and everything will change for the better."

But, nope. He hasn't kept his word on one single thing yet.

Listen, I was brain storming earlier tonight and came up with an idea to help clean the oil out of the ocean in the Gulf. It's kinda simple.. but would take a little planning to make sure that the material used.. which will sink into the water.. make sure that the material will absorb 100% of the oil.

Here's my idea. The USA Military is huge.. we all know that. Now, why the hell doesn't President Obama just simply deploy a few good men out and send them to go and fire up a couple of Apache (dual rotored) helicopters. K so now, we've got a few guys warming up the heli's...

Here's the second part of my idea;

Now, the tool we're going to use to clean the oil or virtually "pick up" the oil from the water... is as described: Think of having a parachute.. only turn it upside down, so that the ropes are facing the bottom of the landing gear.. now if you could somehow think of a way to keep the "upside down parachute" attached to the landing gear.. or even out the side doors.. attached to a winch even. Now, for the material part of the "upside down parachute". You would need to find a substance or material, that is specifically designed to soak up oil and make the oil stick to the material.

So, you have the guys hover over where the largest amounts of oil are, and start dipping the "upside down parachute" into the water.. and go just down just past the oil level in the waters, then slowly increase altitude to bring the "upside down parachute" up and out of the water. And as long as the material works.. and everything else works.. (which according to my calculations, they are..) you'll have helicopters working 24/7 cleaning the oil from our ocean!!

It's time they pick up the fucking pace!!! Sorry.. but shit kinda does piss me off you know? They were showing President Obama, visiting Venice, Louisiana... down walking around on the beach.. and he bends down and moves his hand around on the top of the sand.. and he then picks up one of the little "tar balls" that ppl are reporting seeing.. and at that exact moment you guys.. I look at his face.. and he just looked evil.. :| Seriously.. no bs either. He had this sly evil menace of a grin and it didn't settle right with me for some reason.

We just need someone to take the mans place you guys.. Obama need's to be removed from Office. I would'nt even mind if he were just moved to Vice Presidency.. instead of Presidency you know? IMO..that is.

But yeah, that's about as simple as I can break down.. how I exactly feel about Mr. Obama.. (and I know, your suppose to address the President as.. President Obama) but with how I feel about him.. and how I feel like I can actually see evil in the man.. I'm not going to give him the credit.. he hasn't done anything to really help any of us if you think about it?

But, now if he has done something good.. I didn't hear about it and I apologize for that.. and for that only. I still feel.. the way I feel about the man.. and always will. Just something about him.. negative energy.

That's my 2cents worth.. all in my own words and IMOO.

:peace:to the world everyone.. we need it. :|
take care ppl. cya when I cya.
 

NoDrama

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We do not have the dollar to keep us from using gold. The USA was originally on the SILVER standard, look at the costitution it specifically states that a DOLLAR is to be as a unit of measure of 371 4/16th grains (24.057 grams) of pure silver or 416 grains of standard silver (standard silver being defined as 1,485 parts fine silver to 179 parts alloy).
1 troy ounce is 31.1 grams.

The Federal Funds rate is NOT the interest rate the USA pays to issue currency, The usa is not paying .5% interest. the usa pays whatever interest is on the BONDS it sells, currently the 10 year bond ( The most popular) is paying 3.3%.

our UNFUNDED LIABILITIES is what will kill us. Even if every single government building were shut down, every program dismantled, the military broken up and every dollar of spending frozen but we still had Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid the liabilities would still be more than the USA can possibly take in from taxation.

As much as i hate to say this, but SS and healthcare needs to go away, Ive paid into the system for decades now and i wouldn't mind to lose it all if we just got rid of these parasitic programs of socialism. These programs just breed irresponsibility and a tit suckers class of individuals. It will mean a huge amount of suffering for some, but the pain will be over shortly.
You want to retire? save 10% of your gross, live below your means and spend wisely for things you NEED and not for things you WANT. It is hard to save with the money system we have, what with the value of the dollar consistently going down, able to buy less and less each day due to inflation. That is why I suggest spending your money on precious metals, Guns, Collector cars, diamonds, anything that will retain its value in the future. Oil is a pretty safe bet, they aren't making any more of it, and seem to find less and less every year.
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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We do not have the dollar to keep us from using gold. The USA was originally on the SILVER standard, look at the costitution it specifically states that a DOLLAR is to be as a unit of measure of 371 4/16th grains (24.057 grams) of pure silver or 416 grains of standard silver (standard silver being defined as 1,485 parts fine silver to 179 parts alloy).
1 troy ounce is 31.1 grams.

The Federal Funds rate is NOT the interest rate the USA pays to issue currency, The usa is not paying .5% interest. the usa pays whatever interest is on the BONDS it sells, currently the 10 year bond ( The most popular) is paying 3.3%.

our UNFUNDED LIABILITIES is what will kill us. Even if every single government building were shut down, every program dismantled, the military broken up and every dollar of spending frozen but we still had Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid the liabilities would still be more than the USA can possibly take in from taxation.

As much as i hate to say this, but SS and healthcare needs to go away, Ive paid into the system for decades now and i wouldn't mind to lose it all if we just got rid of these parasitic programs of socialism. These programs just breed irresponsibility and a tit suckers class of individuals. It will mean a huge amount of suffering for some, but the pain will be over shortly.
You want to retire? save 10% of your gross, live below your means and spend wisely for things you NEED and not for things you WANT. It is hard to save with the money system we have, what with the value of the dollar consistently going down, able to buy less and less each day due to inflation. That is why I suggest spending your money on precious metals, Guns, Collector cars, diamonds, anything that will retain its value in the future. Oil is a pretty safe bet, they aren't making any more of it, and seem to find less and less every year.
lol. so many people would not survive imo
 

topspin

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25, I read about 3. Dude chill. We make bank, that's what we do best. Why so many on food stamps? Because we are rich. Poor in our country are better off then the average European.

Buy some stocks soon or you'll watch the train speed by.

No way in Hell do banks own more homes than families.
 

thebuttonpusher

New Member
25, I read about 3. Dude chill. We make bank, that's what we do best. Why so many on food stamps? Because we are rich. Poor in our country are better off then the average European.

Buy some stocks soon or you'll watch the train speed by.

No way in Hell do banks own more homes than families.
Yeah its a great time to buy stocks if you like to be homeless, starving and utterly destitute. You don't actually think the market is going up any time soon do you?
 

orgnlmrwiggles

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Yeah its a great time to buy stocks if you like to be homeless, starving and utterly destitute. You don't actually think the market is going up any time soon do you?
lmao. just dont hold, do LOTS of research, more than you would before you start growing... right now the market is very volatile (big ups and downs), if you can learn to catch onto patterns its a good times for shorting, calls and puts!! just don't plan on buying now, and selling in 6 months-1year while expecting to make money.
 

thebuttonpusher

New Member
lmao. just dont hold, do LOTS of research, more than you would before you start growing... right now the market is very volatile (big ups and downs), if you can learn to catch onto patterns its a good times for shorting, calls and puts!! just don't plan on buying now, and selling in 6 months-1year while expecting to make money.
Exactly, put options are where its at! I have already made quite a bit when I started shorting BP right after the accident.
 

jact55

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Why dont people understand that this is a normal economic cycle. this happened in '81 as well. stocks will go back up, we will recover. soon..no, but we will. And yes if you are a smart investor you can still make money.

ya shorting bp would be stellar right now, but later i think that BP will be a hot stock in a few months or so, depending on when they fix this disaster. They are a very liquid company with very little debt. I think they will pull through this. Super low entry price, attractive to investors. get in early and hang on for a bit and it could be quite profitable.
 

rampagen08

Active Member
Absolutely, the weak will die and the strong will survive. That is the natural order of life.
yes, but will the strong be able to stand the riots that will ensue from what you call "the weak" start losing their support systems? do you have enough ammunition to hold off a swarm of people coming to loot your house because you have food and they dont?
25, I read about 3. Dude chill. We make bank, that's what we do best. Why so many on food stamps? Because we are rich. Poor in our country are better off then the average European.

Buy some stocks soon or you'll watch the train speed by.

No way in Hell do banks own more homes than families.
way to go reading 3! that's probably the most reading you've done in a long time! you basically say the government is supporting us with foodstamps. then you say we're rich because of that? are you some kind of a retard? if you are, watch out, your health care costs are gonna skyrocket soon 'tard! by the way mr. 'tard, the banks do infact own the majority of homes in the united states... why do you ask? when so many are making the payments on time? BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING PAYMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU DO NOT OWN SOMETHING YOU MAKE PAYMENTS FOR. SOMEONE ELSE DOES, YOU'RE PAYING THEM TO LET YOU STAY THERE WHILE YOU PAY IT OFF! IF YOU DO NOT PAY IT OFF AND OMFG........ ECONOMIC COLLAPSE HAPPENS, YOU LOSE YOUR JOB BECAUSE THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR IS "DOWNSIZING" WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WHO MAKES THE PAYMENTS THEN? NO ONE. YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE OR YOU DECLARE BANKRUPTCY AND ADD ANOTHER NAIL TO THE COFFIN OF THE UNITED STATES BY BASICALLY FORFEITING A LOAN WHICH IS WHAT STARTED THIS FUCKING SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
lmao. just dont hold, do LOTS of research, more than you would before you start growing... right now the market is very volatile (big ups and downs), if you can learn to catch onto patterns its a good times for shorting, calls and puts!! just don't plan on buying now, and selling in 6 months-1year while expecting to make money.
the only companies that will be gaining profits in the coming years will be weapons developers, armor developers, genetic research companies, communications, and hardware companies.
expect all retailers to soon start raising their prices because of the gas it takes to get from warehouse to store, people will stop buying so much, a lot of companies will die.
this oil spill is like someone cut the wrist of the usa and is watching it bleed to death.
Why dont people understand that this is a normal economic cycle. this happened in '81 as well. stocks will go back up, we will recover. soon..no, but we will. And yes if you are a smart investor you can still make money.

ya shorting bp would be stellar right now, but later i think that BP will be a hot stock in a few months or so, depending on when they fix this disaster. They are a very liquid company with very little debt. I think they will pull through this. Super low entry price, attractive to investors. get in early and hang on for a bit and it could be quite profitable.
This is NOT a normal economic cycle, more people are on foodstamps and unemployed then EVER before. It's estimated by the Labor Bureau that there are 5 people looking for EVERY JOB AVAILABLE IN THE UNITED STATES. [not including those fucking parasites known as illegal immigrants]
5x more people then jobs available.
Get the fuck out with this shit of "OH ITS JUST NORMAL"
You sound like a fucking idiot.
Oh yeah, to the fucking quote "OH I THINK BP WILL BE HOT STOCK SOON"
BP IS A FOREIGN FUCKING COMPANY YOU MORON! WHO THE FUCK CARES IF DUBAI FUCKING GAINS 300000000 BILLION POINTS THE USA WILL STILL DIE.
 

Pureblood89

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War is good buisness, WWII bailed us out of the great depression, why is it that Iraq and Afganistan are putting us in debt? Why not just take their oil and rescourses? If war is costing us lives and money, why not bail out?
 
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