Let's Debate

[olylifter420]

in a sense you are negating evolution because of the fact that such things cannot stand falsification, therefore since these hominids had these rituals or beliefs in a higher power which you claim is not true, they too would not believe in evolution and would not be considered a part of evolution due to their beliefs.

you want falsification, here is one for you...

you say that you will stand by science not matter what, you wholeheartedly follow all of einsteins laws and theories he proposed. You must know of the theory of relativity? WEll it is being disproven by a 12 year old boy.

what is that to say about the rest of the theories and laws out there? That they may not hold true when put under the right tests and done by the right mind. So, the same thing that you say about my religion and beliefs, the same can be said about all of the your beliefs in these theories and laws that you and countless others follow.

Okay so you have a theory oly. You made a hypotheses and came up with some supporting evidence. The next step is to try to falsify your theory. Only by surviving attempts to be made false, can a claim be considered true. Essentially your claim is that because higher thinking individuals have always adapted deity worship into their culture, this suggests there is some truth to it. So to falsify, can you think of any beliefs which have been around for a substantial amount of time which we know to be untrue? Doesn't the old fallback, Santa Clause, qualify as such? People have believed in Santa for a very very long time, and the belief transcends culture and geographic location. Even if at one time there was indeed a sort of Santa Clause, does that fact give any more weight to what we believe today? If people believed in Santa from the beginning of time, would it make him any more real? We know there is no Santa, hes a myth, and that is exactly what we call unproven beliefs that were shared by our ancestors, myths. So really, what does your research prove except that the belief in god has been around for a long time? It is OK to make the assumption you did, but as you see, your assumption does not survive falsification. The responsible thing to do is abandon the theory. Unfortunately when we are talking about objective evidence, you do not have the luxury of interpreting it as you see fit.

 

[olylifter420]

ah ha, i get it, you are trying to say masturbate, but with massdebate, lol!

Lets MassDebate.. as a matter of fact have you seen that thread about your fav porn stars? thats the best thread to MassDebate in... i just got done MassDebating so hard to thoes midget pics.. so whats the topic were massdebating to in here.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

@ olylifter420 science dosent claim to absolutely know everything for certain , a theory is the best explanation we can come up with at this present time and can be proven wrong in the future .
religion claims to allready have the answers by using a god for everything , wich is constantly being proven wrong .
religion is coming up with no new evidence for its claims , science theorys are allways being tested and new evidence supporting or not is allways being discoverd .

 

[olylifter420]

you said it yourself, so what you believe is false too... cause it can be proven wrong as well... therefore, i see no reason why you question religion or religious people about what they choose to believe in...

@ olylifter420 science dosent claim to absolutely know everything for certain , a theory is the best explanation we can come up with at this present time and can be proven wrong in the future .
religion claims to allready have the answers by using a god for everything , wich is constantly being proven wrong .
religion is coming up with no new evidence for its claims , science theorys are allways being tested and new evidence supporting or not is allways being discoverd .

 

[RawBudzski]

Science has more fact than religion does.. any religion.. Except maybe Scientology ! that was a joke.. but still SCIENCE Beliefs out weight Religious beliefs Every Day of the Year.. Yes EVERYONE wants to be equal and have an Equal Say.. but the FACT IS.. HUMANS ARE NOT EQUAL.. some are more intelligent than others, and thoes who are intelligent seem to be on the scientific/archeology/historic/astrology side.. its the Tribal Closed minded ppl who stick to their religions for whatever truth they may seek..

you said it yourself, so what you believe is false too... cause it can be proven wrong as well... therefore, i see no reason why you question religion or religious people about what they choose to believe in...

 

[olylifter420]

find a quote where i said that science proves every single thing on earth? please

@ olylifter420 science dosent claim to absolutely know everything for certain , a theory is the best explanation we can come up with at this present time and can be proven wrong in the future .
religion claims to allready have the answers by using a god for everything , wich is constantly being proven wrong .
religion is coming up with no new evidence for its claims , science theorys are allways being tested and new evidence supporting or not is allways being discoverd .

 

[olylifter420]

so you are saying that my professor who is a wholehearted Christian and holds double ph.d's in anthropology and paleontology is a dumbass for believing in God as the Creator and science as the engine to discovery and intelligence?

goes to show who really is on the tribal side.... i believe you need to reconsider your statement...

find me a quote where i said the religion has surmounting evidence over science? please, i will wait

Science has more fact than religion does.. any religion.. Except maybe Scientology ! that was a joke.. but still SCIENCE Beliefs out weight Religious beliefs Every Day of the Year.. Yes EVERYONE wants to be equal and have an Equal Say.. but the FACT IS.. HUMANS ARE NOT EQUAL.. some are more intelligent than others, and thoes who are intelligent seem to be on the scientific/archeology/historic/astrology side.. its the Tribal Closed minded ppl who stick to their religions for whatever truth they may seek..

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

find a quote where i said that science proves every single thing on earth? please

gosh your hard work lol theres no evidence for religion , but lots of evidence for a scientific theory , even though evidence can change its the best we have at present .
so any normal person would look at religion and see there is no evidence whatsoever to support it so would find it very hard to believe .
yet they would look at say the theory of gravity and see all the evidence for it and be more inclined to believe in the theory , but knowing that a theory is not absolute solid proof of something .

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

'So, the same thing that you say about my religion and beliefs, the same can be said about all of the your beliefs in these theories and laws that you and countless others follow'

thats what you said , and im saying no you are wrong , the reason we can say that about your beliefs is that you have absolutely no evidence for your beliefs , but the scientific theorys are full of evidence .

if you can come up with evidence against say the theory of gravity , then you have right to prove your evidence and question the theory , just like athiests do against religion .

 

[RawBudzski]

No. I understand MANY scientists believe in god.. many educated people believe.. but you have to look at this as a WHOLE.. religion as a WHOLE vs the other side as a WHOLE.. religion has more flaws and wrong paths/ brainwashing at a much greater rate than someone researching the truth for themselves with whatever facts or Theories are available. I never said what you said.. Im just pointing out that science can help ones understanding of the world alot better than a strict diet of religion will. Regardless of what it means to that person, on an educational basis comparing knowledge.. learning strictly about science has alot more to offer than learning strictly about religion.. Yes Some People can choose both equally but thats not the Case around the world.. Its moreso ONE or the Other. which people put their faith and base their decisions.

so you are saying that my professor who is a wholehearted Christian and holds double ph.d's in anthropology and paleontology is a dumbass for believing in God as the Creator and science as the engine to discovery and intelligence?

goes to show who really is on the tribal side.... i believe you need to reconsider your statement...

find me a quote where i said the religion has surmounting evidence over science? please, i will wait

 

[olylifter420]

you fail to see what i have shared with budzki... why?


there is no evidence for religion? are you serious? so you are discrediting all the artifacts that have been found over in Israel and Jerusalem, the 2-3000 year old bible that has yet to be uncoded... the scrolls of the dead seas that have been found...

there is some evidence, but like i said before, i never said religion has surmounting evidence, but it does have evidence... you choose not to consider those artifacts because you do not believe in God in the first place...


and any NORMAL person would look at BOTH sides of the argument and what we have shared here today and say, both sides have flaws, but i choose to respect both sides equally because of the fact that laws and theories can be proven wrong and that science has not proven or disproven God and His existence...

gosh your hard work lol theres no evidence for religion , but lots of evidence for a scientific theory , even though evidence can change its the best we have at present .
so any normal person would look at religion and see there is no evidence whatsoever to support it so would find it very hard to believe .
yet they would look at say the theory of gravity and see all the evidence for it and be more inclined to believe in the theory , but knowing that a theory is not absolute solid proof of something .

 

[RawBudzski]

The bible was written and changed over the years by MAN.. Religious Artifacts DONT PROVE RELIGION, they might prove THAT PARTICULAR RELIGION EXISTS, but HAS NOTHING TODO WITH PROVING THE LEGITIMACY of that RELIGION.. Example EVERY RELIGION has its STORIES, ARTIFACTS, "Books" ALL of that is MAN MADE and does not prove in a higher power.. only proves they BELIEVED in one.

you fail to see what i have shared with budzki... why?


there is no evidence for religion? are you serious? so you are discrediting all the artifacts that have been found over in Israel and Jerusalem, the 2-3000 year old bible that has yet to be uncoded... the scrolls of the dead seas that have been found...

there is some evidence, but like i said before, i never said religion has surmounting evidence, but it does have evidence... you choose not to consider those artifacts because you do not believe in God in the first place...


and any NORMAL person would look at BOTH sides of the argument and what we have shared here today and say, both sides have flaws, but i choose to respect both sides equally because of the fact that laws and theories can be proven wrong and that science has not proven or disproven God and His existence...

 

[olylifter420]

well, because of your WHOLE view of things, you think that everyone who is religious is a bad person and should be dead or change their beliefs.

what about alchemy? Do you not remember the time period where alchemy worked hand in hand with the catholic church in an attempt to make gold out of any metal?

alchemy for a period did not accept any other form of chemistry work, thus alchemy was a sort of religion as well...

No. I understand MANY scientists believe in god.. many educated people believe.. but you have to look at this as a WHOLE.. religion as a WHOLE vs the other side as a WHOLE.. religion has more flaws and wrong paths/ brainwashing at a much greater rate than someone researching the truth for themselves with whatever facts or Theories are available. I never said what you said.. Im just pointing out that science can help ones understanding of the world alot better than a strict diet of religion will. Regardless of what it means to that person, on an educational basis comparing knowledge.. learning strictly about science has alot more to offer than learning strictly about religion.. Yes Some People can choose both equally but thats not the Case around the world.. Its moreso ONE or the Other. which people put their faith and base their decisions.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

what i meant to say there is no evidence to prove religious beliefs are true and that gods exist , of course there is evidence that religion exists i can see a church from my house lol

 

[RawBudzski]

Remember their can be a God regardless of religion.. If your God is fact, exists.. Is the christian god and backs up the religion, than your Same Christian god is the next athiests god too.. Its when RELIGIONS put a LABEL on their GOD to back that particular religion, thats where you lose the intelligent ppl in the convo.. Like their are HUNDREDS OF RELIGIONS.. why or HOW could 1 group of ppl gotten it right.. Religion seem to be more of an anti-depressant for weaker minds than to be taken literally..

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

@ olylifter can i ask you a question now please , you have been asking so many in my thread .

what is it that makes you personaly believe in the god you believein? , why did you choose that god and not another ?

 

[olylifter420]

science always changes as well... i dont see why you bring this up... the field related to evolution has always been changing and many opinions have been shared throughout the past century and a half... the piltdown man(please, dont google, you should know about it) is a great example.. it shows how easily the field of science can be manipulated and make others change their beliefs in the work they have been doing for years...


God put all these things for us to discover, why cant you understand that?

i understand your point of view, but you fail to understand mine just because science has nothing to say about it, even though it does...

The bible was written and changed over the years by MAN.. Religious Artifacts DONT PROVE RELIGION, they might prove THAT PARTICULAR RELIGION EXISTS, but HAS NOTHING TODO WITH PROVING THE LEGITIMACY of that RELIGION.. Example EVERY RELIGION has its STORIES, ARTIFACTS, "Books" ALL of that is MAN MADE and does not prove in a higher power.. only proves they BELIEVED in one.

 

[RawBudzski]

you say I think everyone who is religious? I believe in god.. but I respectively KNOW that thoes who CHOOSE a PARTICULAR religion for whatever reason may be Brainwashed some way shape or form.. Any religion that excludes itself from being equal to the rest of the people on this planet and or their religions is simply confused.. So if your a CHRISTIAN and think you have a DIFFERENT GOD than a muslim or your GOD and ALLAH cannot be one in the same.. i think thats you being closed minded.

well, because of your WHOLE view of things, you think that everyone who is religious is a bad person and should be dead or change their beliefs.

what about alchemy? Do you not remember the time period where alchemy worked hand in hand with the catholic church in an attempt to make gold out of any metal?

alchemy for a period did not accept any other form of chemistry work, thus alchemy was a sort of religion as well...

 

[RawBudzski]

Religion aside , I belive in god. I know all this is not out of chance and I dont give Man kind this much credit to have gotten this far.. But I know that when Man kind tries to take that relationship with God leterally like they can speak to him, and he will help you find your keys.. and that hes watching over you and not this other group of ppl.. Trust me, the cosmos is too big for 1 Race, religion of ppl to know it all or even UNDERSTAND the bigger picture.. so Believing in god is one thing, Using a religion as PROOF your god exists & theirs does not just sounds weak minded does it not. ? Religion gives its own reasons to be hated. Wars, crusades, honor killing, arranged marriages... Humans stopped thinking for themselves and started thinking how others prefer.

 

[olylifter420]

Are you serious? It is a matter of geographical and personal up bringing... I believe in God because nothing can come out of nothing... In my mind that does not fit... stephen hawkins said it himself, "in the beginning there was nothing and this nothing came into itself and exploded, creating what is now the universe" in his computer voice...


If nothing can come from nothing, then just by looking at a point on the wall, you can create a mural of yourself or a painting of a woman, or whatever you want because this nothing will create anything. it created the universe, why cant this space of nothing on your wall create something out of it?

God put all these great things for us to see and discover... He provided us with this earth and with the ability to evolve and adapt to our ever changing planet in order for us to continue to survive and further our knowledge about the things He created for us...

Im old enough to understand that some stories in the bible are far fetched, but what i do realize and i think you do not, is that these stories are meant to instill moral and ethical and logical reasonings and character.. Also, i believe they are meant to guide us and they act as a support when you are in times of torment. IT works for me, why cant it work for you?

@ olylifter can i ask you a question now please , you have been asking so many in my thread .

what is it that makes you personaly believe in the god you believein? , why did you choose that god and not another ?