o shit hope this works.. obama-taxing the rich!

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silasraven

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The aim is to ensure that those making $1 million or more a year pay at least the same percentage of their earnings in taxes as middle-income Americans. officials say
to all you poor sods who make 1 mil a year it suchs to be you. but heres some food for thought make 999,999 in a year dont go a dollar over for the shit they track then just go under the table. its a good idea i guess, better when prohibition stops




http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/18/obama.buffett.tax/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 

bertiswho

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i dont understand why people who make more money get better tax breaks anways. The government is so ass backwards.
 

munch box

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Obama has bailed out more rich people with stimulus money than all the republicans put together. (AIG ,Big Banks, etc)Rich people like google, apple, and GE love to get in bed with Obama. What about the rest of us? What about the little guy? How come Obama isn't doing anything to help out the citizens, only the illegals? More African-Americans are unemployed and oppressed under Obama then they were under George Bush 1 and 2...... 16.7% unemployment. Lowest its been in 27 years.
 

newatit2010

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I would really like to know who the fuck do you think is getting that money? The unions green jobs(solyndra 1/2 billion and now bankrupt). 1 trillion dollars who got a fucking job and now 1/2 trillion and how many jobs. And where do you think ostupidass is going to get another 1/2 trillion dollars when that runs out? Damn any body paying for odumbass pay backs for votes. Any body that thinks he is trying to help America is day dreaming.
 

dukeanthony

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Obama has bailed out more rich people with stimulus money than all the republicans put together. (AIG ,Big Banks, etc)Rich people like google, apple, and GE love to get in bed with Obama. What about the rest of us? What about the little guy? How come Obama isn't doing anything to help out the citizens, only the illegals? More African-Americans are unemployed and oppressed under Obama then they were under George Bush 1 and 2...... 16.7% unemployment. Lowest its been in 27 years.
Racist Much?
 

Cali chronic

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Believe it or not racism is like cutting your nose to spite your face. No one on top wants to have UE that high. It is all about running a business and having UI that high says you got no orders just inventory. I do not think Obama is or was the right man for the job. He just proved it along with his dreary UE percentages but by loaning Solyndra a half a Billion tax Dollars when in fact that company's cost to manufacture it's panels are 6 bucks to Manufacture and they sell them for 3.
It does not take Jimmy Rockferd to figure that is a loser at any amount of volume.
Then there is the slant of, that is one of Obummers buddies and the fact Obummer is now buying a new mansion and the fact he went from making 5 million as an attorney to making 500k as Prez makes me wonder where the money comes from along with who is the stupid banker who is going to loan to a guy who made our country's credit downgrade along with declining income.
Vote for the Man not the Party and it is not about Creed or Religion it is about Haves and Have nots!
 

NoDrama

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A Hypothetical Question:

So here is the deal. I have $10,000,000 invested in some assets 13 months ago. I don't have a job and have no income per say. I will make approximately $4 million in profit this year when I sell all my assets. What percent tax will I pay?

Answer: The total tax liability would be 5% of the capital gains on long term investments. In other words, you poor schmucks who slave away busting your ass to make $75k a year have to pay 33% of your income to the government, while people like me only have to give 5%. The wage slave makin 75K a year is paying 25K in taxes a year. people like me making $4million a year are only paying $200k i.e. I make 53 times more than you , but only pay 8 times as much in taxes. Slaves pay 6 times the tax now.

You think this is going to soak the rich? Its going to soak the poor and the middle class.
 

dukeanthony

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Whats racist about saying "illegals"?? Thats not even a race. Its a state of legality.
and Obama does go farther out of his way for them than he should.
Immigration Reform Inaccuracies

The Obama administration has strengthened our borders while making our immigration system smart and fair.
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Attackers:Rush Limbaugh, Mark Steyn, othersAttack Type:Broadcast remarks
President Obama’s administration recently announced policy changes that will help make our immigration system smart and fair. The new policy will help the Department of Homeland Security prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants who pose a risk to America’s national security. Under the new policy, DHS will review the deportation cases of approximately 300,000 immigrants and suspend certain cases for immigrants who pose no threat to the nation.
Under President Obama, the deportations of undocumented criminals has increased. By deporting people who have been convicted of crimes or who pose a greater security risk, the administration is giving “low-priority” cases — like young people who were brought here as small children and know no other home, or military veterans — the opportunity of a fair system.
Refocusing the policy to prioritize people who pose a safety threat has actually led to a greater success in deportations of dangerous criminals as confirmed by a Polifact analysis. Contrary to attacks, the President does not have an amnesty policy.

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Fact

Truth posted:September 12, 2011Evidence:Government documents
Under President Obama, deportations of undocumented immigrants with criminal records have increased 70%.
President Obama’s administration recently announced policy changes that will help make our immigration system smart and fair. The new policy will help the Department of Homeland Security prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants who pose a risk to America’s national security. Under the new policy, DHS will review the deportation cases of approximately 300,000 immigrants and suspend certain cases for immigrants who pose no threat to the nation.
 

dukeanthony

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Whats racist about saying "illegals"?? Thats not even a race. Its a state of legality.
and Obama does go farther out of his way for them than he should.
Deportation numbers up under Obama compared to predecessor

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August 05, 2010 6:57 AM

Jazmine Ulloa
The Monitor
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has deported more undocumented immigrants under the administration of President Barack Obama than under that of his predecessor, states a report analyzing newly released figures from the federal agency.
The study released this week by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University also found the agency has shifted its focus to removing criminal noncitizens.
Its findings come amid a tense immigration debate that has centered on border security and whether the Obama administration has done enough to secure the borders. One immigration advocate said the statistics show a “bizarre contradiction” in the current administration, which some say has portrayed itself as interested in tackling comprehensive immigration reform but has instead focused on border enforcement.
 

munch box

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Immigration Reform Inaccuracies

The Obama administration has strengthened our borders while making our immigration system smart and fair.
Attack

Attackers:Rush Limbaugh, Mark Steyn, othersAttack Type:Broadcast remarks
President Obama’s administration recently announced policy changes that will help make our immigration system smart and fair. The new policy will help the Department of Homeland Security prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants who pose a risk to America’s national security. Under the new policy, DHS will review the deportation cases of approximately 300,000 immigrants and suspend certain cases for immigrants who pose no threat to the nation.
Under President Obama, the deportations of undocumented criminals has increased. By deporting people who have been convicted of crimes or who pose a greater security risk, the administration is giving “low-priority” cases — like young people who were brought here as small children and know no other home, or military veterans — the opportunity of a fair system.
Refocusing the policy to prioritize people who pose a safety threat has actually led to a greater success in deportations of dangerous criminals as confirmed by a Polifact analysis. Contrary to attacks, the President does not have an amnesty policy.

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Fact

Truth posted:September 12, 2011Evidence:Government documents
Under President Obama, deportations of undocumented immigrants with criminal records have increased 70%.
President Obama’s administration recently announced policy changes that will help make our immigration system smart and fair. The new policy will help the Department of Homeland Security prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants who pose a risk to America’s national security. Under the new policy, DHS will review the deportation cases of approximately 300,000 immigrants and suspend certain cases for immigrants who pose no threat to the nation.

Jesse Lee? Really?How are people supposed to take you seriously when you quote a looney tune? He blogs for Nancy Pelosi. His wife is moveon.org's Nita Chaudhary. You're starting to sound like the bird that flew over the cookoo nest.

Why do we need to spend millions of taxpayer dollars reviewing each case? How about you donate your own money, and stop piling on the national debt? (But of course you will ignore that question.) And then you can pay for all 300,000 of those people to collect welfare after you give them amnesty. But of course you won't. You will insist that taxpayers be forced to pay money they don't have.
 

silasraven

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i dotn care what race you are the fact that they are going to look the other way at all these illegal people because the dont pose a threat is horseshit. i dont want to pay taxes for someone who isnt supposed to be there. that money is supposed to help this stupid country
 

dukeanthony

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i dotn care what race you are the fact that they are going to look the other way at all these illegal people because the dont pose a threat is horseshit. i dont want to pay taxes for someone who isnt supposed to be there. that money is supposed to help this stupid country
Despite Rhetoric, Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States

FOXBusiness

Arizona’s recently-passed immigration law has drawn heated debate on both sides of the immigration issue, but there has been little focus on what economic impact illegal immigration has on border states – a phenomenon that’s likely larger than many people realize.

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more of an economic contributor to state and local economies than politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’ Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent to provide services.

According to the Comptrollers’ office, state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide services like education, health care and safety, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data, the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal immigrant population in 2006.

Fiscally, illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and local coffers primarily through sales and property taxes, which are mostly unavoidable. A majority of illegal immigrants pay federal, state and local income tax as well - 50% to 75%, according the Congressional Budget office.

Figures found in studies such as Texas’ 2006 study, or another 2007 study by the CBO, which did a survey of all data for the past 30 years and concluded that fiscal impact of services provided to illegal immigrants “is mostly modest,” stands in contrast to political rhetoric that fueled the passage of Arizona SB1070.

“The additional economic activity and tax revenue that undocumented workers provide to state and local governments simply overwhelms the fiscal cost to provide services,” said Dan Griswald, an immigration policy expert with the libertarian think tank CATO Institute.

Arizona and Texas’ economies and tax policies are similar enough that conclusions can be drawn that Arizona may also receive net economic and fiscal benefits from illegal immigrants. Both states rely on sales taxes and fees on cigarettes and alcohol for large portions of tax revenue generation, according to the Tax Foundation. One difference is Arizona assesses both a personal and corporate income tax, which Texas does not.

If there is a fiscal burden that illegal immigrants impose on taxpayers, it’s at the local level in education and health care services, Griswald and other studies said. Because an estimated 60% of illegal immigrants are uninsured and have to rely on emergency-room services, local hospitals have to absorb the cost of illegal immigrants’ emergency care costs.

There is also the economic output of illegal immigrants, which Texas estimated at $17.7 billion in additional gross state product in 2005 alone. Experts estimate Arizona benefits from similar revenue and economic gains from its illegal immigrant population because of similar tax structures and proportionate illegal immigrant populations based on state populations.

While not admitting to hiring illegal immigrants, business owners say it remains difficult to hire locally-based labor for certain tasks even with the recession, giving ample reasons for illegal immigrants to continue to seek work north of the border.

Arizona lettuce farmers, who produce the bulk of the nation’s domestic lettuce between November and February each year, will need 40,000 laborers to hand-pick greens. Most of that lettuce is grown in Yuma County, located near the Colorado River and the U.S.-Mexico border, where a local labor pool is simply unavailable to pick lettuce. Chili growers on the east part of the state need a similar labor force.

“In the industries that are based on production – especially perishable products – I've simply got to have workers,” said Jim Klinger, executive secretary for the Arizona Farm Bureau.

Klinger said the Bureau did not take an official public position on SB1070, but said the law does little to address the issue of an unsecure border and business needs for labor. To end their ongoing labor issues, some farmers are moving operations to Mexico.

“Do we really want to export our food production to other nations when we have the resources and infrastructure here at home,” Klinger said.

The construction industry reflected similar views, with officials saying it can be difficult to find the labor necessary. The Department of Homeland Security said in a 2009 report that because of the steep recession, the illegal immigrant population decreased from 11.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 as immigrants returned to their home countries in search of work. Meanwhile, the Arizona construction industry, which employs large numbers of immigrant workers, saw jobs fall by more than half since the start of the recession.

“The market is the best thermometer of what labor we need in our industry,” said Jenna Hamilton, with the National Association of Home Builders. “We need the labor and immigrants didn’t see any other choices to get here legally.”

NAHB is an industry group also in favor of temporary worker permits.

There have already been some negative economic impacts to Arizona regarding the passage of SB1070. The City of Phoenix estimates that the bill will cost the city’s economy $90 million in revenues because of the boycott. Los Angeles’ City Council voted Wednesday to cut all business ties to Phoenix as well.

Calls for closing the border and deporting all illegal immigrants – which some extreme anti-immigrant groups have called for in Arizona – would have dramatic negative impacts to state economies. Using the Texas Comptrollers’ report again, a removal of 1.4 million illegal immigrants from Texas would cost the state $18.5 billion in personal incomes and $66.5 billion in exports, among other major economic impacts.

“The Texas economy cannot adjust completely to the loss of this labor [through the removal of illegal immigrants] and retain its competitiveness,” the Comptrollers’ office said in its report.

Arizona faces a similar problem.

“Arizona's economy has become very dependent on the labor and consuming power of migrants” said Ray Michalowski, Reagents’ Professor of criminology at Northern Arizona University.

Michalowski cited the closure of Latino-aimed businesses like privately-held Food City in Phoenix or locally-owned restaurants as examples of how integrated Arizona is with its Mexican neighbors and how the border issue is much more complicated than simply who is here legally or not.

“Components of this state’s economy to serve Latinos and migrants – documented and undocumented - have built up over the last several years are now eroding because migrants are returning home. There’s no work for them and the state’s economy is in worse-shape because of it.”

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/
 

munch box

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  • $11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
  • Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay.
  • Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion.
  • $1.9 billion dollars a year is spent on food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
  • $1.6 billion is spent on the federal prison and court system for illegal aliens.
  • $2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
  • About 21 percent of the population of U.S. prisons is classified as “noncitizens” from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. About 5 percent is listed as “unknown.”
Immigration costs like all “costs" come out of the "TAXPAYOR" hide. These costs represent additional money creation that dilutes all the savings and assets in America.
References:
“The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.” Steven A. Camarota. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).
Quick Facts about the Bureau of Prisons. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Updated December 2008.
 
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