America's "gun problem"

desert dude

Well-Known Member
Castle Doctrine regards people who had a clear alternative to do otherwise and still shot out of confusion of chaos. It is not a permit to shot people, like your implying. Prove the majority of state use that doctrine :) Literally, prove it.

You have an opinion Red. FYI, we are not discussing ordinary cases man.

Besides, you are supposed to be explaining to me how I and some other are liars that are pushing a agenda. I really need you to fill me in on this agenda deal to make sure I got my cards right.

The Federal Government is THE JURISDICTION. I don't know what you don't get about the fact that ALL FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, INCLUDING LAWS OF FEKIN JURISDICTION.

This is the last time I respond to you red...your fekin killin my brain man!
Castle Doctrine regards people who had a clear alternative to do otherwise and still shot out of confusion of chaos. It is not a permit to shot people, like your implying. Prove the majority of state use that doctrine :smile: Literally, prove it.

You have an opinion Red. FYI, we are not discussing ordinary cases man.

Besides, you are supposed to be explaining to me how I and some other are liars that are pushing a agenda. I really need you to fill me in on this agenda deal to make sure I got my cards right.

The Federal Government is THE JURISDICTION. I don't know what you don't get about the fact that ALL FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, INCLUDING LAWS OF FEKIN JURISDICTION.

This is the last time I respond to you red...your fekin killin my brain man!
Sorry, buddy, but your brain seems to have died a while ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

"States with a Castle Law No duty to retreat if in the home.

  • Alaska - Alaska Statute 11.81.335(b) provides that an individual has no duty to retreat before using deadly force if they are in their home, their workplace, protecting a child or protecting a family member. The 27th Alaska Legislature is currently considering H.B. 80 "An Act relating to self defense in any place where a person has a right to be." which would essentially eliminate the duty to retreat for any place a person is legally, making Alaska a "stand your ground" state. However, an identical measure, H.B. 381, failed to pass the 26th Alaska Legislature.
  • California California Penal Code § 198.5 sets forth that "Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred."[SUP][18][/SUP] This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC § 197.[SUP][19][/SUP] CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his ground and defend himself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating." However, it also states that "[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.'” The court held that because the defendant had constructed a gun-firing trap, the doctrine did not apply because mechanical devices are without mercy or discretion.[SUP][20][/SUP]
  • Colorado "...any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant." 18-1-704.5 Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.
  • Connecticut
  • Florida
  • Georgia (a person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; [...] has a right to meet force with force, including deadly force;)
  • Hawaii (Retreat required outside the home if it can be done in "complete safety.")
  • Illinois (Use of deadly force justified. Specific legislation prevents filing claim against defender of dwelling. Illinois has no requirement of retreat.)
  • Indiana
  • Iowa (No duty to retreat from home or place of business in defense of self or a "third party".)
  • Kansas (§ 21-5223. A person is justified in the use of deadly force to prevent or terminate unlawful entry into or attack upon any dwelling, place of work or occupied vehicle if such person reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or another.)
  • Maine (Deadly force justified to terminate criminal trespass AND another crime within home, or to stop unlawful and imminent use of deadly force, or to effect a citizen's arrest against deadly force; duty to retreat not specifically removed)[SUP][21][/SUP]
  • Maryland See Maryland self-defense (Case-law, not statute, incorporates the common law castle-doctrine into Maryland self-defense law. Invitees or guests may have duty to retreat based on mixed case law.)
  • Massachusetts
  • Minnesota No duty to retreat before using deadly force to prevent a felony in one's place of abode; no duty to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense in one's place of abode [SUP][22][/SUP]) This isn't as clear as it appears, however. There are four cases in Minnesota where duty of retreat was upheld.[SUP][23][/SUP]
  • Mississippi (to use reference, select "Code of 1972" and search "retreat")
  • Missouri (Extends to any building, inhabitable structure, or conveyance of any kind, whether the building, inhabitable structure, or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile (e.g., a camper, RV or mobile home), which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night, whether the person is residing there temporarily, permanently or visiting (e.g., a hotel or motel), and any vehicle. The defense against civil suits is absolute and includes the award of attorney's fees, court costs, and all reasonable expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff.)
  • Nevada
  • New Jersey (Retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc. EXCEPT not obliged to retreat from dwelling, unless the initial aggressor)
  • North Carolina (Includes dwelling, motor vehicle and workplace)
  • North Dakota
  • Ohio (Extends to vehicles of self and immediate family; effective September 9, 2008.[SUP][24][/SUP] Section 2901.09)
  • Oregon. (ORS 161.209-229. Use of force justifiable in a range of scenarios without a duty to retreat specified. Oregon Supreme Court affirmed in State of Oregon v. Sandoval that the law "sets out a specific set of circumstances that justify a person's use of deadly force (that the person reasonably believes that another person is using or about to use deadly force against him or her) and does not interpose any additional requirement (including a requirement that there be no means of escape).")
  • Pennsylvania
  • Rhode Island
  • South Carolina
  • Utah
  • West Virginia (Senate bill 145 signed March 12, 2008. WV code §55-7-22)
  • Wisconsin (Assembly Bill 69, signed December 7, 2011)
  • Wyoming"

"States with a Stand-your-ground Law No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
Main article: Stand-your-ground law

This section may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. No cleanup reason has been specified. Please help improve this section if you can. (August 2007)

  • Alabama
  • Arizona
  • Florida
  • Georgia
  • Indiana
  • Kentucky [SUP][12][/SUP]
  • Louisiana
  • Michigan [SUP][13][/SUP]
  • Montana
  • New Hampshire (A proposed law was vetoed in 2011[SUP][14][/SUP], but the veto was overridden and the new law took effect November 2011.[SUP][15][/SUP])
  • Oklahoma Title 21§1290.1 et seq
  • Pennsylvania (Recent legislation extends Castle Doctrine to occupied vehicles and the work place, and stand-your-ground rights extended to any place the defender has a right to be with specified exceptions.)
  • South Carolina (Persons not "required to needlessly retreat.")
  • Tennessee 2007 Tenn. Pub. Acts Ch. 210 (Amends Tenn. Code. Ann. § 39-11-611)
  • Texas (Established for individual's habitation in 1995 by House Bill 94 and extended to vehicle or workplace effective September 1, 2007 by Senate Bill 378.[SUP][16][/SUP] Senate Bill 378 also "abolishes the duty to retreat if the defendant can show he: (1) had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used; (2) did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and (3) was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used."[SUP][17][/SUP])
  • Utah
  • Washington (Homicide justifiable in the lawful defense of self or other persons present; and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished ...or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony... or upon or in a dwelling, or other place...)
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
Castle Doctrine regards people who had a clear alternative to do otherwise and still shot out of confusion of chaos. It is not a permit to shot people, like your implying. Prove the majority of state use that doctrine :) Literally, prove it.

You have an opinion Red. FYI, we are not discussing ordinary cases man.

Besides, you are supposed to be explaining to me how I and some other are liars that are pushing a agenda. I really need you to fill me in on this agenda deal to make sure I got my cards right.

The Federal Government is THE JURISDICTION. I don't know what you don't get about the fact that ALL FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, INCLUDING LAWS OF FEKIN JURISDICTION.

This is the last time I respond to you red...your fekin killin my brain man!
Castle Doctrine regards people who had a clear alternative to do otherwise and still shot out of confusion of chaos. It is not a permit to shot people, like your implying. Prove the majority of state use that doctrine :smile: Literally, prove it.

You have an opinion Red. FYI, we are not discussing ordinary cases man.

Besides, you are supposed to be explaining to me how I and some other are liars that are pushing a agenda. I really need you to fill me in on this agenda deal to make sure I got my cards right.

The Federal Government is THE JURISDICTION. I don't know what you don't get about the fact that ALL FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, INCLUDING LAWS OF FEKIN JURISDICTION.

This is the last time I respond to you red...your fekin killin my brain man!
Sorry, buddy, but your brain seems to have died a while ago.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

"States with a Castle Law No duty to retreat if in the home.

  • Alaska - Alaska Statute 11.81.335(b) provides that an individual has no duty to retreat before using deadly force if they are in their home, their workplace, protecting a child or protecting a family member. The 27th Alaska Legislature is currently considering H.B. 80 "An Act relating to self defense in any place where a person has a right to be." which would essentially eliminate the duty to retreat for any place a person is legally, making Alaska a "stand your ground" state. However, an identical measure, H.B. 381, failed to pass the 26th Alaska Legislature.
  • California California Penal Code § 198.5 sets forth that "Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred."[SUP][18][/SUP] This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC § 197.[SUP][19][/SUP] CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his ground and defend himself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating." However, it also states that "[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.'” The court held that because the defendant had constructed a gun-firing trap, the doctrine did not apply because mechanical devices are without mercy or discretion.[SUP][20][/SUP]
  • Colorado "...any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant." 18-1-704.5 Use of deadly physical force against an intruder.
  • Connecticut
  • Florida
  • Georgia (a person who is attacked has no duty to retreat; [...] has a right to meet force with force, including deadly force;)
  • Hawaii (Retreat required outside the home if it can be done in "complete safety.")
  • Illinois (Use of deadly force justified. Specific legislation prevents filing claim against defender of dwelling. Illinois has no requirement of retreat.)
  • Indiana
  • Iowa (No duty to retreat from home or place of business in defense of self or a "third party".)
  • Kansas (§ 21-5223. A person is justified in the use of deadly force to prevent or terminate unlawful entry into or attack upon any dwelling, place of work or occupied vehicle if such person reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or another.)
  • Maine (Deadly force justified to terminate criminal trespass AND another crime within home, or to stop unlawful and imminent use of deadly force, or to effect a citizen's arrest against deadly force; duty to retreat not specifically removed)[SUP][21][/SUP]
  • Maryland See Maryland self-defense (Case-law, not statute, incorporates the common law castle-doctrine into Maryland self-defense law. Invitees or guests may have duty to retreat based on mixed case law.)
  • Massachusetts
  • Minnesota No duty to retreat before using deadly force to prevent a felony in one's place of abode; no duty to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense in one's place of abode [SUP][22][/SUP]) This isn't as clear as it appears, however. There are four cases in Minnesota where duty of retreat was upheld.[SUP][23][/SUP]
  • Mississippi (to use reference, select "Code of 1972" and search "retreat")
  • Missouri (Extends to any building, inhabitable structure, or conveyance of any kind, whether the building, inhabitable structure, or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile (e.g., a camper, RV or mobile home), which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night, whether the person is residing there temporarily, permanently or visiting (e.g., a hotel or motel), and any vehicle. The defense against civil suits is absolute and includes the award of attorney's fees, court costs, and all reasonable expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff.)
  • Nevada
  • New Jersey (Retreat required if actor knows he can avoid necessity of deadly force in complete safety, etc. EXCEPT not obliged to retreat from dwelling, unless the initial aggressor)
  • North Carolina (Includes dwelling, motor vehicle and workplace)
  • North Dakota
  • Ohio (Extends to vehicles of self and immediate family; effective September 9, 2008.[SUP][24][/SUP] Section 2901.09)
  • Oregon. (ORS 161.209-229. Use of force justifiable in a range of scenarios without a duty to retreat specified. Oregon Supreme Court affirmed in State of Oregon v. Sandoval that the law "sets out a specific set of circumstances that justify a person's use of deadly force (that the person reasonably believes that another person is using or about to use deadly force against him or her) and does not interpose any additional requirement (including a requirement that there be no means of escape).")
  • Pennsylvania
  • Rhode Island
  • South Carolina
  • Utah
  • West Virginia (Senate bill 145 signed March 12, 2008. WV code §55-7-22)
  • Wisconsin (Assembly Bill 69, signed December 7, 2011)
  • Wyoming"

"States with a Stand-your-ground Law No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
Main article: Stand-your-ground law
This section may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. No cleanup reason has been specified. Please help improve this section if you can. (August 2007)

  • Alabama
  • Arizona
  • Florida
  • Georgia
  • Indiana
  • Kentucky [SUP][12][/SUP]
  • Louisiana
  • Michigan [SUP][13][/SUP]
  • Montana
  • New Hampshire (A proposed law was vetoed in 2011[SUP][14][/SUP], but the veto was overridden and the new law took effect November 2011.[SUP][15][/SUP])
  • Oklahoma Title 21§1290.1 et seq
  • Pennsylvania (Recent legislation extends Castle Doctrine to occupied vehicles and the work place, and stand-your-ground rights extended to any place the defender has a right to be with specified exceptions.)
  • South Carolina (Persons not "required to needlessly retreat.")
  • Tennessee 2007 Tenn. Pub. Acts Ch. 210 (Amends Tenn. Code. Ann. § 39-11-611)
  • Texas (Established for individual's habitation in 1995 by House Bill 94 and extended to vehicle or workplace effective September 1, 2007 by Senate Bill 378.[SUP][16][/SUP] Senate Bill 378 also "abolishes the duty to retreat if the defendant can show he: (1) had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used; (2) did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and (3) was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used."[SUP][17][/SUP])
  • Utah
  • Washington (Homicide justifiable in the lawful defense of self or other persons present; and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished ...or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony... or upon or in a dwelling, or other place...)
 

ArcticGranite

Well-Known Member
Castle Doctrine regards people who had a clear alternative to do otherwise and still shot out of confusion of chaos. It is not a permit to shot people, like your implying. Prove the majority of state use that doctrine :) Literally, prove it.

You have an opinion Red. FYI, we are not discussing ordinary cases man.

Besides, you are supposed to be explaining to me how I and some other are liars that are pushing a agenda. I really need you to fill me in on this agenda deal to make sure I got my cards right.

The Federal Government is THE JURISDICTION. I don't know what you don't get about the fact that ALL FEDERAL LAWS TRUMP STATE LAWS, INCLUDING LAWS OF FEKIN JURISDICTION.

This is the last time I respond to you red...your fekin killin my brain man!
Castle Doctrine is you can use force in your home to defend life without any duty to retreat.
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Jesus red u just call everyone a liar with a agenda m8???? What fekin agenda is anyone pushing here??? Could someone let me in on the low-down about this agenda situation??? Totally oblivious to the agenda...so feel free to fill me in.
Funny, I'm pretty sure all my posts were directed at you and your kind, hardly "everyone". Pretending you don't have an agenda isn't going to fly.
 

TroncoChe

Active Member
I don't understand why people wanna argue over government ALLOWING us to defend ourselves. All while they are over seas and here in US killing innocent people.
 

CC Dobbs

Well-Known Member
I want to hear about reds agenda. I like a good agenda as much as anyone. I want to guess first to show how smart I am. I think the agenda that red believes many people on this thread have is about welcoming, into our wonderful republic, gay, dark-skinned, communist, welfare-pigs who want to make this great country into a socialist nanny state. The agenda is chock full of plans to take away all of our constitutional rights, tax the fuck out of us and make us euro-pansies. The agenda is run by really bad boogie-men that aren't even from here.

For an encore I will describe red: white, very white and god-damned proud of it, male, 40-55, politically conservative and closed minded.

How'd I do.
 
I give up on DD and Red.....Just oblivious to what we are all talking about. Again, another thread side jacked from two unfocused burnouts that just want to argue for the sake of being right.

FOR THE LOVE OF FEKIN GOD YOU BOTH ARE ETERNALLY CORRECT!
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
" To protect and serve"---Thats there job.....The Military's job is to " Protect the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic".

Other than that I am totally with you. I believe CCW are a bad idea based on the grounds of the Constitution that nobody pays attention to anymore in Government. I don't have any faith in a permit system as its doesn't stop bad people from gaining a weapon. Doesn't even remotely slow them down either. I think it gives them direction to the black market for their arms.
For the police, that is a slogan, not a lifestyle. Especially in SoCal.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that a permit system "doesn't even hardly (sic!) slow them down"? If it's administered in good faith with "shall issue" being held as a core value, i see it as being very useful. In "shan't issue; fuck you for even asking" jurisdictions like the big cities east of the Mississippi ... there I see the black market taking over. The lesson is obvious imo, but only if you you also accept the basic idea that I have the legal and moral right to use deadly force in the defense of my person and home. Reduce the influence of the armed criminal element. Undercut the black market with a lawful option. cn
 
I want to hear about reds agenda. I like a good agenda as much as anyone. I want to guess first to show how smart I am. I think the agenda that red believes many people on this thread have is about welcoming, into our wonderful republic, gay, dark-skinned, communist, welfare-pigs who want to make this great country into a socialist nanny state. The agenda is chock full of plans to take away all of our constitutional rights, tax the fuck out of us and make us euro-pansies. The agenda is run by really bad boogie-men that aren't even from here.

For an encore I will describe red: white, very white and god-damned proud of it, male, 40-55, politically conservative and closed minded.

How'd I do.
:) Priceless
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
Yup. While gun crimes are much lower over there and nongun homicides about even, overall violent crime is 3x (Aus) and 4x (GB) as bad. That's why the antis focus on homicide stats, to divert attention from the more damning violent crime numbers. And since every violent crime has assault as a necessary component, it's the better metric for the effectiveness of lawful carry. cn
And on top of that, no mention is ever made of the fact that America's gun related violence is confined to what are essentially urban war zones. In most of America gun related crime is lower than it is in Europe.

As Greenfield said, "We don't need to have a conversation about guns. We need to have a conversation about Chicago."
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I want to hear about reds agenda. I like a good agenda as much as anyone. I want to guess first to show how smart I am. I think the agenda that red believes many people on this thread have is about welcoming, into our wonderful republic, gay, dark-skinned, communist, welfare-pigs who want to make this great country into a socialist nanny state. The agenda is chock full of plans to take away all of our constitutional rights, tax the fuck out of us and make us euro-pansies. The agenda is run by really bad boogie-men that aren't even from here.

For an encore I will describe red: white, very white and god-damned proud of it, male, 40-55, politically conservative and closed minded.

How'd I do.
I'm assuming one is mid 30s the other middle age
And yes you nailed both of them very accuratly
 
For the police, that is a slogan, not a lifestyle. Especially in SoCal.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that a permit system "doesn't even hardly (sic!) slow them down"? If it's administered in good faith with "shall issue" being held as a core value, i see it as being very useful. In "shan't issue; fuck you for even asking" jurisdictions like the big cities east of the Mississippi ... there I see the black market taking over. The lesson is obvious imo, but only if you you also accept the basic idea that I have the legal and moral right to use deadly force in the defense of my person and home. Reduce the influence of the armed criminal element. Undercut the black market with a lawful option. cn
Evidence of permit system slowing them down...No, absolutely nothing. But I have miles of evidence that proves that all it does is force people to buy black market weapons which are a super high commodity.

I don't believe there is anything moral about taking another life. In my opinion, just because something is legal, does not mean its acceptable to do. Like legally defending yourself by shooting someone. Personally, after have taking human life, I would much rather be murdered than to murder. I don't believe its much better to give than receive. Thats a materialistic mindset. Armed self defense only strokes the criminal element in my opinion.



The black market greatly aides the mass shootings. Its a place between a hard spot and rock imo.
 

CC Dobbs

Well-Known Member
You all butt hurt because you failed basic reading comprehension?
How does it feel to get backed into an dishonesty corner? Did you even realize that that happened to you? It would be sooooo much more satisfying to me if you realized how idiotic you acted. Are you still sharing your Constitutional brilliance with everyone?
 

ArcticGranite

Well-Known Member
I don't understand why people wanna argue over government ALLOWING us to defend ourselves. All while they are over seas and here in US killing innocent people.
That perspective is a breath of fresh air. Well put! If I had my way America would not be overseas fighting.
They do what we don't want and antagonize and meddle and fight with foreign sovereigns.
And don't do what we do want which is to preserve the right to keep and bear.
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
Funny, I'm pretty sure all my posts were directed at you and your kind, hardly "everyone". Pretending you don't have an agenda isn't going to fly.
My money is on just plain stupid. I can't prove an agenda, but his posts speak for themselves regarding stupidity.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has some sort of agenda.
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Sorry if I mis-spoke on the topic of zimmerman, my agenda is for everyone to have the right to posses and use fire arms for self defense purposes. If you do not agree than that is why they call this a debate. I do believe that Zimmerman acted outside of what law allows pro-gun or not so his experience is starting to muddy the waters a bit on this topic. As far as lying and credibility I am only expressing my opinion not holding a legal hearing over the matter. Also low-life? I took offense to that comment, you seem like the type of person who just tries to demean someone who doesn't have your views (in mature).
You stated falsehoods as facts. That is the definition of lying. The crowd you have joined are low-life's. I demeaned you because of your false statements, not your opinion.
 
You stated falsehoods as facts. That is the definition of lying. The crowd you have joined are low-life's. I demeaned you because of your false statements, not your opinion.
Wait to go hero, now go somewhere your actually wanted in discussion. Walmart.

Oh so your the low-life judge that figures out who's who...Nice...Sounds like someone "Upper Echelon"
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
Just to drive home the point about the castle doctrine in the US, only five states and DC have no castle doctrine. Path, are you listening?


"States with weak or no specific Castle Law These states uphold castle doctrine in general, but may rely on case law instead of specific legislation, may enforce a duty to retreat, and may impose specific restrictions on the use of deadly force.

  • District of Columbia
  • Idaho (Homicide is justified if defending a home from "tumultuous" entry; duty to retreat not specifically removed)
  • Nebraska - a bill was introduced in January 2012 that allowed deadly force against a person who broke into a house or occupied vehicle or who tried to kidnap someone from a house or vehicle, however the bill was revised to include only an affirmative defense from lawsuits pertaining to justifiable use of force.[SUP][25][/SUP]
  • New Mexico
  • New York
  • South Dakota "Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is." SD Codified Laws 22-16-34 (2005).
  • Vermont"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
 
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