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brotherjericho

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Plus, while you're on a cadmium kick, shouldn't you be warning people to not use kelp meal? Very high in cadmium. For instance, Dyna-Gro Bloom has .2 ppm Cd, while Down to Earth Kelp Meal has 1.6 ppm, and E.B. Stone Kelp meal has 2.8 ppm!

I guess the lesson is don't use kelp meal?
Just hitting the tip of the proverbial iceberg here...

DOWN TO EARTH BAT GUANO 0-7-0 --- 7.6 ppm Cd
SUNLEAVES JAMAICAN BAT GUANO 0-10-0 --- 7.7 ppm
SUNLEAVES JAMAICAN BAT GUANO 1-10-1 --- 12.6 ppm
HAPPY FROG NATURAL & ORGANIC 0-5-0 BAT GUANO --- 6.9 ppm
FOXFARM MARINE CUISINE 10-7-7 --- 12.8 ppm
 

brotherjericho

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the lesson here is do your research and make your own decisions. and why are you comparign a bloom nutrient with a source of trace?
Not sure what you mean, just randomly picked a liquid organic I've heard of with high phos. All of the studies out there constantly list high phosphate ferts as the big offenders for cadmium.
 

applepoop1984

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Just hitting the tip of the proverbial iceberg here...

DOWN TO EARTH BAT GUANO 0-7-0 --- 7.6 ppm Cd
SUNLEAVES JAMAICAN BAT GUANO 0-10-0 --- 7.7 ppm
SUNLEAVES JAMAICAN BAT GUANO 1-10-1 --- 12.6 ppm
HAPPY FROG NATURAL & ORGANIC 0-5-0 BAT GUANO --- 6.9 ppm
FOXFARM MARINE CUISINE 10-7-7 --- 12.8 ppm
http://www.fertilizer.org/ifacontent/download/5901/93940
"Monoammonium phosphate and APS products may contain over 200 ppm cadmium"

so in your opinion, which is higher? 200 or 6.9 ppm?

did the iceberg sink your dinghy?
 

applepoop1984

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i just harvested close to 400 grams of blueberry under my 600 w hps. iv been growing since 2002. i went to htg supply in my car when it first opened back in 2006try again
 

applepoop1984

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saying phing water isnt needed is a trip straight to hell.
if you look at one of my last tips, buying a zero water pitcher, you will note that it reduces ppm below 10. a ppm tester is even included in every pitcher. with low ppm water it tends to be a 7.0 ph or lower. the longer it is exposed to air the lower it will get. i have a ph meter and do infact ph my water. plain tap water is 7.5-8.3 at its highest iv measured and after filtration and letting sit for even a minute it begins to drop. i have not seen it drop below 5.4 on my ph meter and it is accurate i have 7.0 ph calibrating solution to verify. the use of dolomite lime and a low ppm water will eliminate any ph problem.

the pitcher is so good it will even filter beer into pure water.
 

brotherjericho

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if you look at one of my last tips, buying a zero water pitcher, you will note that it reduces ppm below 10. a ppm tester is even included in every pitcher. with low ppm water it tends to be a 7.0 ph or lower. the longer it is exposed to air the lower it will get. i have a ph meter and do infact ph my water. plain tap water is 7.5-8.3 at its highest iv measured and after filtration and letting sit for even a minute it begins to drop. i have not seen it drop below 5.4 on my ph meter and it is accurate i have 7.0 ph calibrating solution to verify. the use of dolomite lime and a low ppm water will eliminate any ph problem.

the pitcher is so good it will even filter beer into pure water.
Have you tested this, on all water sources? Do a google search on zerowater and ph and you get opinions all over the board, which tells me that pH is much more complicated than reducing the TDS.

Here, one random person (just like you being a random person giving opinion): http://www.amazon.com/ZeroWater-ZD-023-23-Cup-Dispenser-Filtration/product-reviews/B003QXM3U8

I name this title acidic water, due to the fact that this product produces a 0 TDS, only by filtering it through an acid filter, producing a 4.0 pH water. I really didn't know to much about water, but I work for a lab, and have pH testers at hand, and was curious on how the zero water, can make that "0.0", that it shows on the meter. It really shows 0.0. So, I tested tap...it was like 279 TDS and a 8.5 pH, I tested the zero water 0.0 TDS 4.0pH. Okay...so...what happened? I have an alkaline filter as well at home, so that is a 079 TDS reading with a 8.5 pH. I tested bottled water... 075TDS 7.5 pH. Why does zero water produce acid water...? From the U.S EPA website it states; " The term pH is a measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions in a diluted solution. It can range from 0 to 14, with 7 denoting a neutral value. Acidic water has a pH below 7; alkaline water, above 7. The health effects of pH on drinking water depend upon where the pH falls within its range. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which classifies pH as a secondary drinking water standard, recommends a pH between 6.5 and 8.5 for drinking water." To get the best quality water for your body - as stated you need between 6.5 and 8.5, which is more on the neutral/alkaline way. This allows your cells to absorb more of the water molecules, which then absorbs better into your organs. I am planning to return this product soon.
 

applepoop1984

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even if that were the case the dolomite lime i recommend would buffer it. ph from low ppm water is a result of contact with air for too long.
"The water has been striped of hardness and alkalinity these minerals chemical species change and buffer water pH and typically this "mineral" water is slightly alkaline. The pH scale is actually based on water's (H2O) acid dissociation constant precisely because water can act as an acid or a base. So theoretically pure water or deionized water should have a pH of 7 perfectly neutral. However co2 exists in our atmosphere and it dissolves into water freely creating carbonic acid. This very weakly carbonated pure water will appear to pH probes as quite low in pH. So it is slight amount of carbon dioxide that is acidic and would normally be offset a tiny bit of hardness. the notion that somehow the water has been turned to acid that is damaging is just ***. Especially considering our bodies maintain a Ph of around 2 in the stomach."
 

brotherjericho

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See? You give out bad info then try to say (paraphrased) "well, that's why you should use lime". Dude, just admit you don't take the time to actually research anything thoroughly before tossing out your opinions.
 

applepoop1984

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See? You give out bad info then try to say (paraphrased) "well, that's why you should use lime". Dude, just admit you don't take the time to actually research anything thoroughly before tossing out your opinions.
i own a zero water pitcher and a ph meter and i tested it thats how i know. the reasont he ph is lowered is the same for distilled water as soon as it comes into contact with co2 from the air it starts to turn acidic. is merely carbolic acid. the human stomach has 2 ph acid in it are we all going to die? just admit you have nothing better to do.

and i recommended lime from the start of this thread i didnt just through that out there after you started throwing toddler class hissy fits.

i cant answer your question about what fertilizer has cadmium and which doesnt with out being vague because your question is... vague.
every batch of ferts will be different even the samples i provided are just a rule of thumb.

if you were smart you would:

flush soil with water and h2o2 before planting: remove 52% cadmium

boost bacteria in the soil by providing h2o2 with everywatering 52%

making compost teas with h2o2 and an airpump to oxidise the cadmium in the fertilizer: >52% removal

flushing at least once a month with h2o2 52%

not fertilizing the last 2 weeks of flower

but like you said, "theres no way yer gona git the cadamamium outta ther soil with waters"
 

brotherjericho

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and i recommended lime from the start of this thread i didnt just through that out there after you started throwing toddler class hissy fits.
This is why you lose credibility with every post: you feel the need to take pokes because you are getting overly defensive about people pointing out when you are wrong. You then go on to skirt the issue.

As to your "52% removal" with each step you list, that would only be accomplished if you watered extensively each time and achieved high levels of run-off...which would also leech your soil of all the fertilizers you've previously placed in there.

Boost bacteria with H2O2...evidence?
Oxidise cadmium with H2O2...evidence?
 

applepoop1984

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This is why you lose credibility with every post: you feel the need to take pokes because you are getting overly defensive about people pointing out when you are wrong. You then go on to skirt the issue.

As to your "52% removal" with each step you list, that would only be accomplished if you watered extensively each time and achieved high levels of run-off...which would also leech your soil of all the fertilizers you've previously placed in there.

Boost bacteria with H2O2...evidence?
Oxidise cadmium with H2O2...evidence?
aerobic bacteria
 

Jeffdogg

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Cant we just grow the way we want and suggest our beliefs instead of using them as a weapon in a fight? :hug:
 

applepoop1984

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Cant we just grow the way we want and suggest our beliefs instead of using them as a weapon in a fight? :hug:
that would be nice, but theres alot of fighters on this thread,and they intend to go down kicking and screaming. i even tried to make peace with one of them, to no avail. one guy devoted 99% of his 30 posts in the last week just to this thread and to attack my ideas. i guess thats what happens when you dont score enough
 
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