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[ginwilly]

wy is there an abortion ban in a motorcycle safety bill?

and why do you not care about that?

hell I do care about that one but nobody was talking about it presently. Why the hell is there even a motorcycle safety bill? It's like a bad Rand novel.

Seatbelts and helmets should be a choice. A choice that I would make anyway, but standing on principle, they are awful laws.

You do know why it's in the health care bill don't you?

What sort of affect on tuition costs do you think guaranteed federal loans have had?

 

[nitro harley]

aren't you the same guy who bemoaned how the local school is now so full of hispanic looking kids and not white ones anymore?

Hey Buck...

Yes that was me..I just couldn't help but notice...

 

[nitro harley]

That's fucking cheap. Especially since you stated you were in a program for people who COULDNT get insurance before

I agree..

I still think it is a lot of money, In your opinion what is a lot if 580.00 per month is cheap?

 

[nitro harley]

the 580$/month is that for single or family coverage?

Single coverage..

 

[schuylaar]

I agree..

I still think it is a lot of money, In your opinion what is a lot if 580.00 per month is cheap?

for single+1 coverage before ACA, well over 1200$/per month easy..i used to have many 1 and 2 man small biz always trying to get group health through my company because of exorbitant health premiums..

EDIT: Premiums are state specific and what I quoted is an example of huband/wife age 60 with some sort of pre-existing like diabetes.

 

[ChesusRice]

I agree..

I still think it is a lot of money, In your opinion what is a lot if 580.00 per month is cheap?

In the healthcare market
That is cheap. Especially since you have admitted that before obamacare you were uninsurable thru normal channels. There are plans out there that are cheaper but they have insane deductables

http://www.statisticbrain.com/health-insurance-cost-statistics/
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[TR]
[TD]Average cost of Healthcare in the United States
[/TD]
[TD]$5,615
[/TD]
[TD]$15,745
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
5615 / 12 = 467.90

 

[nitro harley]

In the healthcare market
That is cheap. Especially since you have admitted that before obamacare you were uninsurable thru normal channels. There are plans out there that are cheaper but they have insane deductables

http://www.statisticbrain.com/health-insurance-cost-statistics/
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]Average cost of Healthcare in the United States[/TD]
[TD]$5,615[/TD]
[TD]$15,745[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
5615 / 12 = 467.90

I was able to get Ins before Obama care it was called the oregon health plan...Oregon has had Ins available for people that couldn't get Ins for a long time..you just had to wait 6 months..So Obama didn't really do me any favors...

 

[ChesusRice]

I was able to get Ins before Obama care it was called the oregon health plan...Oregon has had Ins available for people that couldn't get Ins for a long time..you just had to wait 6 months..So Obama didn't really do me any favors...

Actually he did. He brought in competition which should bring prices down.

 

[nitro harley]

Actually he did. He brought in competition which should bring prices down.

What competition ? You are saying that cover oregon has competition from where?...If you know about competition post a link I would like to see it..

 

[nitro harley]

for single+1 coverage before ACA, well over 1200$/per month easy..i used to have many 1 and 2 man small biz always trying to get group health through my company because of exorbitant health premiums..

EDIT: Premiums are state specific and what I quoted is an example of huband/wife age 60 with some sort of pre-existing like diabetes.

I guess you are trying to make me feel better about the 580.00 per month...like it is peanuts...you will have to sell that to people that are having a hard time paying there bills....good luck..

 

[ChesusRice]

What competition ? You are saying that cover oregon has competition from where?...If you know about competition post a link I would like to see it..

The answer is right in front of you. Before the ACA the only insurance you could get becuase of your pre-existing conditions was thru a special pool with the state of Oregon.
Now with the ACA any insurer that wants to sell insurance in the State has to offer you coverage

Before they cherry picked their clients
Now they have to take everyone ...including you.

Since any insurance provider that wants to sell insurance in Oregon has to provide for people like you. Now they have to compete for your business

Competition should drive the prices down and the efficiency up.


Isnt that what the right keeps telling us about the "Free Market"?

 

[nitro harley]

The answer is right in front of you. Before the ACA the only insurance you could get becuase of your pre-existing conditions was thru a special pool with the state of Oregon.
Now with the ACA any insurer that wants to sell insurance in the State has to offer you coverage

Before they cherry picked their clients
Now they have to take everyone ...including you.

Since any insurance provider that wants to sell insurance in Oregon has to provide for people like you. Now they have to compete for your business

Competition should drive the prices down and the efficiency up.


Isnt that what the right keeps telling us about the "Free Market"?

How can they compete when the ACA has the government subsidies for poor people?

 

[UncleBuck]

What competition ? You are saying that cover oregon has competition from where?...If you know about competition post a link I would like to see it..

so you're saying that the private sector can not offer a deal better than what you get with the state in your case.

doesn't convince me of what you're hoping to.

 

[NLXSK1]

The answer is right in front of you. Before the ACA the only insurance you could get becuase of your pre-existing conditions was thru a special pool with the state of Oregon.
Now with the ACA any insurer that wants to sell insurance in the State has to offer you coverage

Before they cherry picked their clients
Now they have to take everyone ...including you.

Since any insurance provider that wants to sell insurance in Oregon has to provide for people like you. Now they have to compete for your business

Competition should drive the prices down and the efficiency up.


Isnt that what the right keeps telling us about the "Free Market"?

Ok, you are missing a key economic fact about insurance companies.

To make money they must pay all their bills and take in a small percentage more to be profitable.

Now, if you FORCE private insurance companies to take people with pre-existing conditions, FORCE them to remove all top end dollar limits on policies, FORCE them to keep adults up to 26 on their parents policies you are increasing the cost of the insurance. Given these conditions and the relatively thin margins of these companies you are not going to see savings on policies at all. You are going to see significant increases in the companies that simply do not drop offering insurance at all.

Obamacare eliminates private competition by FORCING companies to add so much to policies they cannot possibly compete with the federal government. It FORCES one policy government care because there will be no more competition.

And how Obamacare pays for all the benefits it supposedly provides is by FORCING people to join or pay a fine which rapidly increases over the years.

Everything about this plan is FORCE... FORCE which eliminates choice, eliminates competition and will end up providing less care at higher cost.

 

[UncleBuck]

How can they compete when the ACA has the government subsidies for poor people?

he didn't ask about poor people, he asked about your $580 a month plan.

don't try to change the subject.

and do private companies also subsidize the poor who need health insurance more than other groups?

 

[UncleBuck]

Ok, you are missing a key economic fact about insurance companies.

To make money they must pay all their bills and take in a small percentage more to be profitable.

Now, if you FORCE private insurance companies to take people with pre-existing conditions, FORCE them to remove all top end dollar limits on policies, FORCE them to keep adults up to 26 on their parents policies you are increasing the cost of the insurance.

germany does all those things, eliminates profit in health care, covers all citizens, and insurance is demonstrably much cheaper than here.

your unremitting stream of lies goes unabated. reality once again proves you wrong.
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Obamacare eliminates private competition

quite possibly the stupidest thing ever said by anyone, ever.

get a hold of yourself, child.

 

[ChesusRice]

How can they compete when the ACA has the government subsidies for poor people?

Are you saying the Goverment subisidizes poor people so they can better afford to buy a product from the free market?

Exactly how will the goverment helping poor people buy something from the free market dampen competition from companys who will be competing against each other to get some of that money?

 

[NLXSK1]

germany does all those things, eliminates profit in health care, covers all citizens, and insurance is demonstrably much cheaper than here.

your unremitting stream of lies goes unabated. reality once again proves you wrong.
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quite possibly the stupidest thing ever said by anyone, ever.

get a hold of yourself, child.

Cheesybeard... LOL!!! Priceless...

 

[schuylaar]

The answer is right in front of you. Before the ACA the only insurance you could get becuase of your pre-existing conditions was thru a special pool with the state of Oregon.
Now with the ACA any insurer that wants to sell insurance in the State has to offer you coverage

Before they cherry picked their clients
Now they have to take everyone ...including you.

Since any insurance provider that wants to sell insurance in Oregon has to provide for people like you. Now they have to compete for your business

Competition should drive the prices down and the efficiency up.


Isnt that what the right keeps telling us about the "Free Market"?

The defense rests..

 

[NoDrama]

unremitting

Have any other adjectives to use? This one is kind of played out. Predictable even. Perhaps Incessant would be a useful synonym to make you look a little less like a one trick pony? Just puttin it out there, don't want you to grow old and moldy.