sorry hole i didn't mean your grow went bad but you said "4-5 ozs. Well below my average. Leaves yellowed way early and i could not recover properly with anything i did".
so i meant it was a shame you could not pull your plants round and increase your yield but still like the way you say what happened instead of saying i still got a gram per watt like a lot of growers on here say and you can tell its not true, 25oz's is not a bad yield for any grower under 2 600w's
i pulled 15oz's dry off one plant under a 600w and i was well happy and after it was dry and cured it filled a 10ltr bucket up to the top
just a lucky grow no more to it, could have easy turned out 7-10 oz's on that plant
could you tell me your views on topping, lst ect
thanks
Yes, I'm sorry. The two earth juice girls in my current flower which I'm flushing now and harvesting in 3-4 days. I couldn't master the EJ nutes, they may have been too old and were just bad or I just couldn't master the learning curve. I'm pretty good at estimating my yields by eye and those girls are definitely low yielding at about 4-5 ozs compared to my normal 6-8. They are considered high yielding which was another kick in the ass. So I'm done with EJ, it's just so much easier with Fox Farm.
Actually, there is a theory that is mostly fact called "less is more". It mostly refers to using less nutes and getting better results but the other thing that term is used for is growing less plants in a certain space gets you more yield. I've done my experiments with my flower room. I first did 8 plants which was a nightmare, way too many. I then did 6, still too many, then 4 which I stay at NOT because I get the most yield but because I get almost the best yield and I get a variety of two more strains. I did grow two girls in my room last winter, I got almost a pound off one girl and about 12 ozs off the other, about 27 1/2 ozs total about 2-3 ozs being popcorn. It was a lot of lsting on both but they each got their own 600 and they grew into monsters. So even though I could probably pull a oz or so more off 2 plants .vs. 4 on average, I chose 4 because myself and my customers like variety, and because I have hundreds of high quality fems seeds many of which I have never tried so I need to do at least 4 every grow to get through these strains to find the my top 3-4 so I can begin mothers and cloning eventually.
As for topping or fimming I don't do it because I have the height in my rooms, especially flower where I can raise my bulbs to exactly 7' 5". No reason to top if you have the height. I have also found through growing out so many fem seeds that topping seems to help bring on herms. Out of the few herms I've ever had they have all been topped plants. I also don't like topping or fim because it creates too much lower growth and side growth in general and it hinders me from working on and around plants because my rooms are designed to be as small as possible so I can get 8-10,000 lumens per square foot.
My pruning techniques are lollipopping and cutting off lower branches. I begin cutting in week 5 veg and finish about 10 days into flower. My goal is to get any and all lower branches that will probably not receive much light in flower off. Doing this gradually prevents shock. I cut as flush as I can along the main stem so it heals quicker, branches, fans and all. No reason to keep a fan leave if it's not going to get any or much light.
I begin lollipopping about the same time, I cut a little and then lolli by pinching off the smaller lower bud sites on the branches I plan to keep, this goes in until about week 2 in flower. "less is more" works here to, pinch or cut off too much and your yield will suffer from shock and just too many bud sites being destroyed, too little and not enough energy will be directed to the top buds which is the entire purpose of both techniques. Some plants lower branches make it up high enough by late veg to where you can tell they will be keepers, other growth is very obvious and gets cut off first.
So far these techniques are working for me but it is easy to cut/lolli too much and affect yield negatively so there is definitely a learning curve.
Lsting is the best by far. It allow one to expose the lower budsites that still remain after cutting and lollipopping. And being lsting really helps with taller plants more, my decision to not top or fim due to my room heights makes it really work for me. I've done aggressive lsting and moderate, it all works. Simply bending and tying down can get a person twice the yield by not doing so. I've also supercropped which in my understanding is pinching the stem to the point the inner core of the stem collapses so it grows a large knuckle at that spot which allows more energy to pass upwards. I've only done SC on very tall plants to keep the top sites from getting to close to the light after I've already lsted so much and don't want to tie down any more. It worked, but I'm not sure what positives it did for me yield wise. One is suppose to supercrop most their branches but I have never done this as it seems to me it's too much stress.
Good luck and nice grow room btw!
