Old School Skunk, who's found it???

coco87769

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As stated above, David Watson is Sam Skunkman. He was connected to sacred seeds, to what extent no one will ever truly know except the people who were there. After a big bust, he left california with seeds of many of the strains the Dutch companies made millions off of. That's the beginning of the controversy. He has been accused of being a government agent, a snitch, and other things, some of which has been disproved, other stuff still remains the topic of hot gossip. Whether he was a founder or not of sacred seeds, a government agent, whatever, doesn't really matter to me, because both him and Greg McAllister are undeniably responsible for many of the core strains getting out to the public. Skunk 1 (I recently found out there was a skunk 2 that was supposedly stinkier, but I guess it is all but gone now), haze, northern lights, etc. Todd McCormick has been involved in the weed community for decades, and went to prison because he would not flip. Mel Frank, who is a part of AG, is a legend, and has contributed greatly to helping growers for a very long time. Don't even start on the Nevil vs Sam shit...
It's shocking to me that Cogos still in a cannabis related business and people buy his stuff,
1638128051738.png1638128125284.pngCogos Original Rockwool Formula#1 was used to cultivate skunk#1 that won the 1st cannabis cup in the Netherlands in 1988

i will post this directly from cogo

i decided that i am going to answer the public accusations made by Steve Hagar of high times and Todd McCormick and Mel Frank of AG seeds concerning stolen fertilizer formulations from Nevil Schoenmakers and the seed bank.
This is what I’m not getting, why would Neville put on the label of his own product that he ‘endorsed’ or ‘used’ a product that he ‘owned’?
That makes no sense…people don’t generally advertise that they endorse their own product, do they!?!?
Here’s what gives…I found some old Formula 1 product labels from back then, that shows Neville “endorsed” and “used” Rockwool Formula 1…not that he “owned” it…so, seeing that the product labels provide proof that he endorsed/used this product, why is anyone saying that it was stolen from him?
 

coco87769

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As stated above, David Watson is Sam Skunkman. He was connected to sacred seeds, to what extent no one will ever truly know except the people who were there. After a big bust, he left california with seeds of many of the strains the Dutch companies made millions off of. That's the beginning of the controversy. He has been accused of being a government agent, a snitch, and other things, some of which has been disproved, other stuff still remains the topic of hot gossip. Whether he was a founder or not of sacred seeds, a government agent, whatever, doesn't really matter to me, because both him and Greg McAllister are undeniably responsible for many of the core strains getting out to the public. Skunk 1 (I recently found out there was a skunk 2 that was supposedly stinkier, but I guess it is all but gone now), haze, northern lights, etc. Todd McCormick has been involved in the weed community for decades, and went to prison because he would not flip. Mel Frank, who is a part of AG, is a legend, and has contributed greatly to helping growers for a very long time. Don't even start on the Nevil vs Sam shit...
im sorry but that's not what our group discovered about Todd McCormick #1 anyone that builds his resume with " i had cancer 10 times" and by his own admission in sensi seeds ...never had cancer is a disgrace...Todd McCormick: At the age of 2, I was diagnosed with Histiocytosis X. At the time, it was considered to be an aggressive type of cancer but later on, around 1986, science realized it had both misdiagnosed the disease as well as the treatment.

however in this latest interview "i had cancer 10 times as a child"
start at 28:18 on the podcast below
"i was fortunate to have cancer as a child it saved me from a life of mediocrity and put me on the path to help others and make the world the world a better place"

https://podcasts.apple.com/.../cannabinoi.../id1077793493.

#2. Todd faced a 10 year mandatory for growing 6000 plants 4000 in belair and 2000 in a couple different houses Todd flipped and received 5 year which he did 3.9 the prosecutor did that with the agreement he wouldn't use a medical defense Todd could of but decided to plea his case set precedent for people wanting to use medical defense meaning no one can use medical defense ever after his trial.
#3. Todd believes in eliminating the criminal element "us" meaning if you are not a corporation making pharma medical cannabis then we don't belong...yes i know he says home grow like all the other bullshit artist however in a legal corporate market home grow for profit will be eliminated. so he sells seed over the internet which is a big federal no no but by doing so helps DEA monitor sales. he doesn't sell HEMP seed now does he?
 
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coco87769

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when you find the real skunk you wont have to look you will smell it down the block and it will be wrapped in 2-3 bags and still smell like a skunk my experience with it was 79-81...down the block is sort of a exaggeration however if the guy that has it is in his pocket in a house you will open the windows lol it was that pungent
 

coco87769

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im sorry but we have nothing against Todd other than the continuous lies he tells...yes we are familiar with cogos affidavit so what, it doesn't tell the whole story , Todd shows you everything and tells you nothing or tells you everything and shows you nothing he is a actor that works for non profits that support corporate medical cannabis with a dr prescription.
 

eastcoastled

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im sorry but we have nothing against Todd other than the continuous lies he tells...yes we are familiar with cogos affidavit so what, it doesn't tell the whole story
the affidavit shows that Cogo snitched on Neville, and handed the feds a list with the name, address, and order details of every person who he shipped seeds to while working for Neville. There is no other part of the story that matters at that point.
 

burrheadd

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AKBeanBrains has Original NL1 for sale.

Gateway Mountain Seeds has the R2 seeds for sale.
The R2 clone that everyone talks about is from 1991-92, and is from Northeastern Canada.
I believe Gateway Mountain Seeds has the original R2 clone mother, and uses a selected NL2 Male to create seeds.
General consensus is that R2 is NL2.

R2 arrived in new brunswick in 1999/2000 down through the french speaking acadian costal towns from quebec where it has been since 1992 in clone only form. R2, M39 and M33 all came together and were seed purchased through the super sativa seed company (now closed)
M39 is a catalogue name for Northern lights #5 x skunk....M33 was a catalogue name for Friesland (a.k.a. Freezeland) and R2 was the catalogue name for Northern Lights #2....the afghani dominant phenotype of a thailand haze afghani cross....phenotpye 2 is thought to have been lost...but it exists as the favorite strain grown in N/E canada.

R-2
NEW BRUNSWICK OLD SCHOOL SKUNK\



Gatewaymountainseed has been in business a long time. Over 10 years.
It’s “getaway” not “gateway”
 

coco87769

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the affidavit shows that Cogo snitched on Neville, and handed the feds a list with the name, address, and order details of every person who he shipped seeds to while working for Neville. There is no other part of the story that matters at that point.
well thats the conspiracy theory pushed by non profit activist and corporate/government people however it is not true. i am part of a study group on this subject. cogo turned in 8 pages 29 per page 232 to be exact. hundreds, not thousands. cogo mailed out 11,000 ,he kept the list that's true , 8 pages. Its in the international law book on Nevils extradition and the appeal book. Nevil was part of and participated in identifying demand in the black market along with high times. That was done buy moving cultivation indoors so it could be monitored. And it was also part of the internationalization of law enforcement. The DEA were in Holland in 1982. cogo it seems got caught up in a government operation. Nevil was never extradited from Australia or Holland even though there was a treaty signed with the USA and Holland stating that you couldn't send seeds threw the post. The people spreading this horseshit about early cannabis history in Holland and cogo are those working with non profits that only support corporate medical cannabis, including Nevil. Get your facts straight . We have interviewed cogo you have not.
 

coco87769

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DUTCH DRUG POLICY
The Hague, stressed that all available data and possible considerations
pointed to the need for:
[A] gradual process of integration of the drug phenomenon in our societies . . .

which means that we should take a more "Business- like” view regarding the drug problem .... (there it is in black and white)

This process of social and cultural integration could be called the “normalization" of the drug phenomenon. To that end we must stress the pragmatic as-pects of drug policy over the moral aspects.
Later that year the "normalization-policy" was formalized in the
"Drug Policy in Motion" Memorandum.9
IV. THE INTERNATIONALIZATION
OF DUTCH DRUG POLICY
A. The Turning Point of 1985
Nineteen-hundred and eighty-five can be regarded as the year
in
which the public-health oriented Dutch drug policy culminated,
and at the same time lost much of its power and gave way to a less
sophisticated law enforcement approach. This loss of balance has
been the result of a
number of domestic and international factors.
The emphasis here will be on the transition from a drug policy based upon national concerns to one reflecting and responding the Euro- pean context.
90
Nineteen-hundred and eighty-five was a very busy year for civil servants working on the two aspects of the government's drug policy,
the enforcement of the Opium Act and the policy on prevention and assistance. 9'
For the officials of the coordinating Ministry of Welfare, Health and Cultural Affairs (WVC), 1985 was also the year of the develop-ment and launch of the "normalization-concept" in drug policy.92
State Secretary of Health Joop van der Reyden, opening the Inter-national Congress on Local Authorities and ,Drug Policy in The
88. H. COHEN, supra note 36, at 18.
89. A. JANSEN, supra note 55, at 132.
90. See supra notes 23-25
(discussing the Dutch willingness to adopt “international “ stan-dards in its drug policies).
91. FAcr SHEET, supra note 35, at 1.
92. See supra note 88 and accompanying text (discussing normalization-concept).
[Vol. 18:717
 

coco87769

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Nevil martin Schoenmakers , Ed Rosenthal, Ben Dronkers and others (green team) there at the time were just providing the new customers for the future corporate medical cannabis market. And for law enforcement? identifying the demand in the market of users and cultivators in the black market.
 

coco87769

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all of your heros are for medical corporate marijuana with a dr prescription.

Richard Cowan NORML September 7, 2020
Let me make it clear that I do not have any problems with the “pharmaceuticalization” of cannabis.
I have long had serious concerns about GW Pharmaceuticals, not because they are trying to “pharmaceuticalize” cannabis (Hooray for that, if they can), but rather because they seem to have had marijuana prohibition built into their business model.
They even employed a former staffer from the Drug Czar’s office to lobby against state medical marijuana laws.
Edward "Ed" Rosenthal (born Bronx, New York, 1944) is a California horticulturist, author, publisher, and Cannabis grower known for his advocacy for the legalization of marijuana use. He served as a columnist for High Times Magazine during the 1980s and 1990s
***** "He worked with the state and local governments to implement the delivery of pharmaceutical-grade cannabis to patients with a doctor's recommendation to use marijuana."
During the Ronald Reagan presidency he served as an adviser for the federal government's pot farm, part of the Marijuana Research Project at the University of Mississippi
Steve Hager, HT's Editor-in-Chief
“The whole reason we told people to grow their own pot was to get rid of the criminal element … '
Todd McCormick:
"I'm trying to remove the criminal element,"
Adam Dunn:
“Home growers are cutting into [corporate] profits, and that's bullshit right there because the most important part is that people have access to medicine,” Dunn said. “Clearly, you know, they're going to completely fuck themselves over by the thinking that they're going to be doing something.
Nevil Schoenmakers:
I would advocate
production by licensed growers who in effect can only grow for… “a state sponsored
governing body, which in turn deals with the distribution of the product.”
This will have the effect of breaking the link between the grower and that patient, thereby
ensuring a transparent system. INQUIRY INTO USE OF CANNABIS FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au

› submissions
PDF
Nadelmann -a drug-policy-reform advocate funded by George Soros and several other billionaires- offered to hire a commercial signature gatherer on the condition that Dennis be replaced as campaign manager by a “professional” from Santa Monica.
The initiative was already ahead in the polls and the professional’s only discernible effect.
Many activists shook their heads disapprovingly when Dennis generalized,
“All marijuana use is medical.”
Keith Stroup of NORML: "Ideally, I think marijuana should be sold by the Government, or by nonprofit corporations, with the profits going to drug research or heroin rehabilitation programs.” The pot lobby - The New York Times.html
The nonprofit norml and the drug policy institute etc. along with high times got everyone to grow indoors which is way more efficient way to regulate and control production... than having helicopters flying around, see?
High times got everyone to order seeds and equipment the whole idea of President Bush Administration was to identify the users and producers “the demand” in the black market. And for big company s to exploit... "monopolize"...
it’s not the end of prohibition it’s a more specialized efficient and productive prohibition.
It’s becoming quite apparent that nonprofits are used by government and corporations to be the political middleman in a economic process. Nonprofits lead people away from discovering while hiding economic transformation of the market...it is a clever manipulation of and subversion of our political process for economic gains... no different from the cannabis industry.
It looks like dope but its really hope” explains David Watson.
Nevil schoenmakers: “What he means is that many of these plants have been specifically bred not to produce an intoxicating resin or hashish.
,
Indeed, Hortipharm hopes to thwart the aims of the average recreational user”
The team is already close to finding their own commercial holy grail-seeds that will produce a one off, female, seedless crop of plants with no psychotropic effect for the consumer.
Why you might ask would they want to do that?
Hortipharm is only interested in developing female only plants that are sterile, but this is not to protect their genetic copyright.
“If a plant is not busy producing seeds, all its energy can go into resin production” says Watson Dutch colleague and biochemist Etienne Meyers.
Watson believes in the bright future of (cannabis) is contained in the greenhouses of Hortipharm and GW Pharmaceuticals.
Nevil Schoenmakers: "The object is to patent up every possible combination of cannabinoids with efficacy for every possible disease they can treat, and every possible genetic sequence! Once ready to make the move. They will shut down every medical cannabis grower for patent fraud."
Here is hortipharm are collecting and sending
Keith Stroup of NORML: "Ideally, I think marijuana should be sold by the Government, or by nonprofit corporations, with the profits going to drug research or heroin rehabilitation programs.” The pot lobby - The New York Times.html
people would have to be mentally challenged to not see how fucked they are
 

Hot Diggity Sog

Well-Known Member
Back on the original topic...

I was expecting to have heard something about the work Kevin Jodrey has been doing. If anyone is going to be able to bring this back, I would put my money on him. Anyone heard anything?
 

coco87769

Member
You can spout all the nonsense you want. The document says you are a snitch, Raymond.

It's pretty low, putting all this crap out in a public forum where none of these people are available to respond and defend themselves.
So now you are blaming cogo for what they/you are doing themselves/yourself? the crap as you call it is hard and factual. As we have tried to state with documentation is those that are pointing fingers scapegoating cogo are for government/corporate medical cannabis with a dr prescription is that what you represent? Nevil did Rosenthal does, do you? state what you are for. Are you for decriminalization and corporate medical pharmaceutical marijuana with a Dr prescription? or are you for complete legalization and a free market where mom and pops can buy and sell? cogo is for complete legalization not a controlled regulated corporate market. That says a lot .
 

coco87769

Member
So now you are blaming cogo for what they/you are doing themselves/yourself? the crap as you call it is hard and factual. As we have tried to state with documentation is those that are pointing fingers scapegoating cogo are for government/corporate medical cannabis with a dr prescription is that what you represent? Nevil did Rosenthal does, do you? state what you are for. Are you for decriminalization and corporate medical pharmaceutical marijuana with a Dr prescription? or are you for complete legalization and a free market where mom and pops can buy and sell? cogo is for complete legalization not a controlled regulated corporate market. That says a lot .
 

coco87769

Member
Nevil Schoenmakers:
I would advocate
production by licensed growers who in effect can only grow for… “a state sponsored
governing body, which in turn deals with the distribution of the product.”
This will have the effect of breaking the link between the grower and that patient, thereby
ensuring a transparent system. INQUIRY INTO USE OF CANNABIS FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au
› submissions
PDF
as you can see nevil was a insider that was for pharmasutical medical mariuana with a Dr prescription
 

GrownAtHighAltitude

Well-Known Member
Back on the original topic...

I was expecting to have heard something about the work Kevin Jodrey has been doing. If anyone is going to be able to bring this back, I would put my money on him. Anyone heard anything?
There's another conspiracy thread on how Kevin Jodrey may be same as Kevin Godfrey who _is_ actually working with big pharma. I don't know all the details.


I think Kevin Jodrey's plans were derailed after California fires a couple of years ago. He's been active on IG but absolutely ZERO information on skunk project. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost a bunch of work, or hit another dead end, or something and just isn't being public about it.

The latest thing he's posted about is using some of the Durand Line Project seed stock to start a preservation project, maybe still looking for skunk but I dunno as he started out with one of the Ghazni selections.
 

coco87769

Member
To anyone who is wondering, this Coco87769 guy, RAYMOND ANTHONY COGO is a real snitch and is the one who got Nevil busted.


http://instagr.am/p/CVN_8x5puTV/

He's got a grudge against Todd that is completely uncalled for. Sour grapes.
completely untrue
Q: What type of cancer were you diagnosed with and how did medicinal cannabis help to alleviate or reduce your suffering?
Todd McCormick: "At the age of 2, I was diagnosed with Histiocytosis X. At the time, it was considered to be an aggressive type of cancer but later on,
around 1986, science realized it had both misdiagnosed the disease as well as the treatment.

However in this latest interview "i had cancer 10 times as a child"
start at 28:02 on the podcast below

Todd McCormick: "i was fortunate to have cancer as a child it saved me from a life of mediocrity and put me on the path to help others and make the world a better place"the world a better place"

Nobody had to snitch on anyone everyone knew what he was doing!

Steve Hagar Bram Frank, Peter Gorman and Ed Rosenthal were all subpoenaed by the grand jury and based on what the grand jury gathered... issued a indictment..cogo was never subpoenaed.1638218204612.png

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“Nevil's seed factory has been in business for three years and it perfectly legal “
“Last year his company supplied $500.000 worth of seeds to 15,000 American growers”
“he is a protected national asset nonetheless”.
“Everyday letters pour into his post office box, letters containing American dollars wrapped in carbon paper to avoid detection”.
The idea that seeds were legal in Holland helped to coax people to buy the illegal seeds from the catalog’s advertised in high times

No one had to "snitch on Nevil
 
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coco87769

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View attachment 5036888View attachment 5036889 Cogos Original Rockwool Formula#1 was used to cultivate skunk#1 that won the 1st cannabis cup in the Netherlands in 1988

i will post this directly from cogo

i decided that i am going to answer the public accusations made by Steve Hagar of high times and Todd McCormick and Mel Frank of AG seeds concerning stolen fertilizer formulations from Nevil Schoenmakers and the seed bank.
This is what I’m not getting, why would Neville put on the label of his own product that he ‘endorsed’ or ‘used’ a product that he ‘owned’?
That makes no sense…people don’t generally advertise that they endorse their own product, do they!?!?
Here’s what gives…I found some old Formula 1 product labels from back then, that shows Neville “endorsed” and “used” Rockwool Formula 1…not that he “owned” it…so, seeing that the product labels provide proof that he endorsed/used this product, why is anyone saying that it was stolen from him?
 
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