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You are just trying to make me suicide my account from a ban. Alright cannabineer I will try.

I will just let this thread die, I assume sunni will delete that any moment now. It makes it hard to have a meme war when you cant have racist ones.

lol... so I cant post these few racist mexican and white memes i had ready to go?

Rules of this thread 1. There is no rules.

I thought I bookmarked the link with the total amount of cree to osram but it is about half of them. http://evergrowlighting.com/en/displayproduct.asp?proid=44 https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2016-New-design-hotsell-greenhouse-hydroponics_60473047274.html

Alright thanks for clearing the water some. I am still trying to learn the measurements and the meanings of them.

Yeah I wasn't going to go with those but I am really thinking on waiting till I sell one of my cars back to the last owner before I buy a led lamp so I can get a high end one which will be just before jan when I sell it back to him. I don't want to I like using it as a thrasher and track car but...

Under more research those new Vipar leds are low grade clones of SAGA leds grow lights that contain 3w/5w cree and 3w osram chips.

Alright, thanks. I am already under bucks radar as a sock that's also one of the things that made me think that there is a sock crisis going on in the site. It was maybe my first or second day here. You know if someone is constantly paranoid of something it is because they are likely the thing...

Wtf is with the sock action in this site, its unreal.

Nice I like the clean look of it. It puts out little bit above a 250 hps lumen avg. Thanks for the help.

I am not familiar with umols can you tell me what to make of this?

It is 410$ for California light works 220w model and the Vipar is 285w at 260$. Yes I know the efficiency goes to California light works osram chips compared to epistar but I am almost sure that these 2 light are close to performance, now for reliability idk not enough people have messed with...

Thanks if I pick these I hope so too. I would rather attempt to make my own kit instead of paying those prices. Thanks for the input though. Do you by chance remember the model it was because I think this company is starting to mature some, if these new models turn out to be good anyways.

I know how to solder, thanks for the tip. These are 260$. I was just thinking these might actually be good the other Vipars have epiled diodes I think they are lower quality than epistar which is what these have in it.

Put a ring on it, its 2016, no one will bat an eye.

What about this one? VIPARSPECTRA PAR 600, 285 true watts, 12-band, 3 year warranty, and 5w Bridgelux and epistar diodes. Is this junk too?

Damn, I was homeless for 4 years. Now I am making decent money, after losing 5 jobs due to the paranoia that I picked up from living on the streets. This thread comes off as greatly insensitive.