Advanced Nutrients Ripping off GH and everyone else

So advanced nutrients sent me an email about a product of theirs that rips off the Flora 3-parts all the way down to the exact ratios.

They explain how 3-part nutrients are pieces of shit and how they managed to make a product that is not only shit, but cheap shit. So check it out.

Advanced Nutrients' cheap garbage:

If 3-parts are so bad, then what's better? 2-part 2-stage nutrients?

TRUTH About The Typical 3-Part Fertilizer On The Market (Including our Jungle Juice™ Grow-Micro-Bloom)...
There's really no easy way to put this so I'm just going to come right out and say it. The product you see on the left is overpriced, plain and simple. The fact is, neither Jungle Juice Grow-Micro-Bloom™ nor General Hydroponics Flora Grow-Micro-Bloom are exactly what your high-value plants need. Here's what these products are NOT...

Will not balance your pH automatically like pH Perfect.
Will not protect your crops against poor yields caused by low or high pH levels.
Not all micro-nutrients in the typical 3-part fertilizers are chelated.
Cations and anions are not properly balanced for our specialized crops.
Have the wrong ratios of macro secondary and micro nutrients for your plants.

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Edit: I was just mad after reading this bullshit. It doesn't even make sense to me: http://www.advancednutrients.com/junglejuicegmb/

Fat Mike emulates P.T. Barnum and you act surprised and angry?

Wet

I not a huge fan of AN either, they have so many shills it's just annoying.

i for one I'm going to give it a shoot i got 2.5 gallon jugs of bloom and micro for 38 bucks each, gonna run lucas formula with it and see how it does for 75 buck really cant go wrong

yea man, every AN user always nags me to death about how GH is so horrible, but then why are they copying their products? if they are so horrible. people have no common sense and just because they failed using GH they think it sucks.

ive used both as with good results, i also dont like all the products GH has to offer, so its not like im a GH enthusiast like almost every AN user acts. the huge difference between the two is exactly shit like this.

they claim this product is the same, really then why is 3 gallons of Jungle Juice equal to 1 gallon of GH flora, oh why mike? because its watered down crap that you are using to lure people who dont know any better and have heard excellent things about both companies, this is why i rarely spend any money on them, i honestly find it pretty upsetting they are even doing something like this and its sad on their part because so many people have been talking about what a bunch of bull shit this is for them to even try and attempt to do something so shady, i mean its literally 70% water where as GH 3 part is very concentrated, you only have to use about 4m - 8m of GH flora series for young plants and seedling.

AN saying its the same but guess what again you need fucking 32 milliliters of that crap just for seedling? 32 milliliters!!! its practically water at that point to ever be able to add so much to one gallon.

i love Remo to death, but holy shit they have taken it too far.

they literally should be getting sued right now, they just know because they are of the few nutrient companies that openly say their product is for cannabis, they know GH isnt going to give a shit and especially since GH is probably laughing their asses off right at the fact they tried to make their own product and failed so miserably, or they just failed on purpose because their main intent is ripping people off, i really dont understand big mike.

you never see any other companies acting so arrogantly like AN does, im actually fed up with it and as much as i like remo and the beautiful cannabis he grows and associates himself with this was too much to take in, then i saw this fucking video.

i just lost it when i saw it, i was being so respectful to them asking them why are they even bothering doing this? let alone its not what they claim?.... but when i saw this video, i said to myself ive had enough of AN bashing. everyone knows they have very unnecessary additives that cost over 30$ and do nothing, i mean thats enough already the first time i grew, i looked on the back of a bottle of flora nove bloom, and sensi a and b.. i was like why does this one bottle contain everything sensi a and b has and more? why do they sell their nutrients so you have to create a combination anyway? why not just sell a bottle that contains everything i need instead of splitting into 3 unnecessary products that ill have spend 30$ each on?

anway watch this video, after i saw it i honestly lost all respect for this company, yea ill buy my iguana juice and mother earth tea but i will never respect them nor recommend to anyone to ever buy their products period and thats just horrible business tactics right there on their part that they make people feel the need to dislike what they do so much..

its really not something to laugh about because i do not appreciate companies so willing to lie to their loyal users as well as make claims that have never existed. let alone badger every other company as if their shit doesnt smell. they are far from perfect and because of this i see a lot of people turning their cheeks to these fools from now on.

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as if enough people dont think that already, whats ironic is their company is always quick to say "FUCK THE HATERS" but what do they do? they constantly make false claims and they hate on anything that isnt supported or made by them. good job on showing some decency and that you are truly the better company. talk is cheap and AN has proved that meaning to a T.

resinousflowers said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPKibxuvXkQ

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yea i watched that crap also, the best part of it is that guy is like slighty retarded or something.

i almost feel like they chose him to do the test simply because he wouldnt know any better. it makes it even more pointless when he says they do the exact same thing, except he hasnt realized how fast he will burn that watered down crap versus GH's.. honestly it doesnt seem like he is even proud to be comparing the two. he is just like whatever im gettting free nutrients from AN.

Yeah AN is full of shit. I will say I like a couple of their products, Overdrive is a great ripener, Iguana juice is great for seedlings and small plants, I still like big bud as a bloom booster even though it's not as good as it used to be. But all in all, I agree, they have some very questionable business practices and a lot of worthless shite in their lineup. I remember seeing an advertisement a few months back saying they were coming out with a 3 part formula that was essentially a copy of GH's 3 part. But this is rediculous, it is literally all the exact same ratios just watered down and marked up. Ughhhh

metamorphy said:

yea i watched that crap also, the best part of it is that guy is like slighty retarded or something.

i almost feel like they chose him to do the test simply because he wouldnt know any better. it makes it even more pointless when he says they do the exact same thing, except he hasnt realized how fast he will burn that watered down crap versus GH's.. honestly it doesnt seem like he is even proud to be comparing the two. he is just like whatever im gettting free nutrients from AN.

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yeh i agree,whenever i see those kind of video's it just looks fake to me.but why are AN just singling out GH,why do they seem to only have a problem with them?

Ah, the AN hating convention.

Let me play devil's advocate here, but these arguments and comments aren't really helpful to new growers.

I admit, the pictures do look like one company has copied another. Fair enough. But have you ever used a generic pain killer? It's got the same things as the brand name. And at least to me, the copies don't really work better. But then again, some copies do.

It depends on how they're made.

The two formulations are different, even when the ingredients are the same. After all, unless you are in teh labs and the factories, you don't know the two nutrients are made and the exact ratios of what's being put into everything. Trade secrets are handy like that.

So, while I totally understands that shills want to throw out the idea that AN is 'ripping off GH' (yes, you have been called out), I think you can't be too certain of what is going on...unless you're working for the ones who are worried about being copied and they're telling you to fill up the forums with these pics.

Hmmmm...?

Heck, I certainly have no idea what is going on with this. ALl I know is what I read in teh board, and no offense, not everyone on teh boards is reliable. YOu know it, I know it.

Just saying....

everyone keeps saying the AN is watered down???? where does that come from i mix at the same ratio and end up at roughly the same ppm with both

LOL AN themselves said its watered down. watch the video.

i mean its pretty much complete common sense that from a legal stand point they cannot copy the product completely, the reason its cheaper isnt because AN is such a giving company its because its literally a cheaper version of the product.

i just really dislike the way they go about doing business and this kinda drew the line, i mean i use both GH and AN... everyone always assumes im bashing one or other when thats not the case. the case is there has never been a single nutrient company in history to just straight up steal someones elses formula and advertise it like they actually use GH.

thats a bunch of bullshit right there, they are constantly making fun of GH so why would they sit there and try to make people believe they actually used their products. its just so many things they do like that that are just complete lies and a scam in a sense.

i mean the first time i picked up bud candy, i knew AN does a great job of ripping people off. they just make their bottles look good with fancy images to lure people who dont know any better in. i mean i can buy 5$ of black strap molasses that will do more than bud candy could ever do, let alone i could make bud candy for cheaper than they sell it.

i mean if people dont understand why there is always people so displeased with AN its pretty much really obvious why. these people have every right to think they way they do about this company for the simple fack that they do indeed rip people off.

Motherhugger said:

Ah, the AN hating convention.

Let me play devil's advocate here, but these arguments and comments aren't really helpful to new growers.

I admit, the pictures do look like one company has copied another. Fair enough. But have you ever used a generic pain killer? It's got the same things as the brand name. And at least to me, the copies don't really work better. But then again, some copies do.

It depends on how they're made.

The two formulations are different, even when the ingredients are the same. After all, unless you are in teh labs and the factories, you don't know the two nutrients are made and the exact ratios of what's being put into everything. Trade secrets are handy like that.

So, while I totally understands that shills want to throw out the idea that AN is 'ripping off GH' (yes, you have been called out), I think you can't be too certain of what is going on...unless you're working for the ones who are worried about being copied and they're telling you to fill up the forums with these pics.

Hmmmm...?

Heck, I certainly have no idea what is going on with this. ALl I know is what I read in teh board, and no offense, not everyone on teh boards is reliable. YOu know it, I know it.

Just saying....

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yea i agree, but it is helpful for new growers to understand the price of what they are actually paying for as well as understanding what is actually in the bottle. i would never recommend AN to new growers simply because any new grower would be bewildered at how many products they have that all do the same thing and for the most part do literally nothing. wet betty, bud candy and bud ignitor are good examples of products that do literally nothing and bud candy just makes everything taste the same when molasses is cheaper and can do more and give a better flavor.

resinousflowers said:

yeh i agree,whenever i see those kind of video's it just looks fake to me.but why are AN just singling out GH,why do they seem to only have a problem with them?

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its simple, its what every AN zelot seems to completely miss. the only reason they single out GH is because they are their biggest competetor, they know GH isnt bad or else they wouldnt give a shit to slander their name in everything they do. you dont see them bothering with companies that arent nearly as popular do you? of course not because those companies arent as good as GH.

so it makes complete sense that they try so hard to make GH look bad, because they know themselves their products easily stand up to theirs and in almost every case can do more for a huge fraction of the cost.. i mean they just made it blatantly obvious by copying their formula.

i watched this kick ass comparison not provided by AN of course and GH rocked the competition, the plants were bigger, they budded faster, the stems where thicker and they rooted better all with less cost and less products used. it was a very fair experiment and sadly throughout it the guy was kinda pissed at how much money he spent on AN's stuff that didnt even help at all or live up to the claims they are always throwing out.

anyone who has seen big mikes videos knows there is just a little something wrong with the company, the way he sells things is like a terrible late night informercial for sham wow or some other useless product you really dont need. its that kind of practice i dont appreciate.

they also try to make themselves seem like the company with the most respect for their buyers by saying things like "if we think its better we will tell you to use it instead of our product." well they never have mentioned GH 3 part being better than theirs back in the day and if you remember they had their own 3 part formula that was horrible and no one really used it, i didnt see them recommending GH 3 part flora then.. now all the sudden they want to give them credit when they rob their formula.

some people just arent as observant i guess.

AN already had a Grow, Micro, Bloom formula that was ripping off GH. This monkey juice is just a repackaged 3 part I guess? Anyways, in regards to AN supposedly being cannabis specific and apparently bragging about how they show up to trade shows and other nutrient companies don't, just check out my journal where I test AN's Connoisseur against DynaGro: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html

The no name brand DynaGro yielded 25% better and did it at less that half the cost. How was the quality? My testers couldn't decipher between the two meds in a blind test.

homebrewer said:

AN already had a Grow, Micro, Bloom formula that was ripping off GH. This monkey juice is just a repackaged 3 part I guess? Anyways, in regards to AN supposedly being cannabis specific and apparently bragging about how they show up to trade shows and other nutrient companies don't, just check out my journal where I test AN's Connoisseur against DynaGro: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429438-dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients.html

The no name brand DynaGro yielded 25% better and did it at less that half the cost. How was the quality? My testers couldn't decipher between the two meds in a blind test.

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yea you dont have to tell me brother, ive tested flora nova bloom againt sensi a and b with mother earth and i still got better results with one bottle of flora nova bloom, it was so similar you question why the hell i had to buy so many AN products just to do the same practically. id love to see AN have the balls to do a blind test, because then they would look like complete jack asses.

anyone who had either really couldnt tell the damn difference either, so im just so sick of them making these outrageous claims i mean big mike makes it seem like AN was made by god himself with the way he talks about it.

LOL nice avatar.