Best Micro nutrient in a Bottle?

to serve man · Jul 4, 2009

What would you people say is the "best" product for miconutrients? My current nutrient line up is BMO Grow, BMO Flower, BMO SPT, Fossil Fuels Humic Acid, Blackstrap Molasses, & Alaska MorBloom 0-10-10. I just want a full & complete & 100% organic micronutrient in a bottle (I live in an apartment). What about Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed?

Fallen Buckshot · Jul 4, 2009

you soil or hydro ? regular feed or foliage feed... personally i like Botanicare Liquid karma

to serve man · Jul 4, 2009

Oh sorry. I am soil. Fox Farm Ocean Forest cut with perlite & super bat tea. 100% organic grower, so I want something 100% organic. I'll have to check out the liquid karma, thanks.

Fallen Buckshot · Jul 4, 2009

with all that you probably have everything you need i think the ff soils have alot of micro nutes... could add some organicare Fulvex and Calplex wich adds natural calcium and magnesium

to serve man · Jul 5, 2009

What about Liquid seaweed? Does that have a lot of microbeasties in it?

Fallen Buckshot · Jul 5, 2009

looks to be good stuff

somebody041 · Jul 5, 2009

hey man, liquid seaweed doesn't have any microbeasties but it's full of good stuff. all of the trace minerals and vitamins and amino acids are in there.

i use maxicrop soluble powder which i'm sure is similar to the liquid they make. i feed it every time i transplant since it helps them through stress. it's best used in small amounts throughout the growth cycle instead of in big doses a couple times through. it's also great to throw in a compost tea.

hope that helps :weed:

MrBaker · Jul 5, 2009

to serve man said:
What would you people say is the "best" product for miconutrients? My current nutrient line up is BMO Grow, BMO Flower, BMO SPT, Fossil Fuels Humic Acid, Blackstrap Molasses, & Alaska MorBloom 0-10-10. I just want a full & complete & 100% organic micronutrient in a bottle (I live in an apartment). What about Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed?

IMO, you have a nice set of products now at your disposal.

You could add some seaweed/kelp if you wanted to. If you want to be cheap, add cider vinegar (lotsa micronutes) and some dolomite (lime, has more metals and good stuff) + water*. Neither should take up much room, or make a stink since you're in an apt.

*can be rusty water for increased iron

Seriously though, the stuff you have plus some brown vinegar and dolomite to ph with would be a very nice set of tools.

to serve man · Jul 6, 2009

Won't cider vinegar kill all the microherds? Yeah, I am having bad problems with my ph and I believe my one plant is mangnese def so I am looking for something for that. I should have added the lime directly to the soil, but I didn't. My plants are in day 31 of flowering and the one doesn't look so great. I think all the organics made my ph all outta sync. Can you use ph up or down directly in your teas without it hurting your microbeasties? Thanks for the help everyone.

canefan · Jul 6, 2009

To Serve you have to get some woodash this will cure your ph problem, not hurt any goodies in the soil and will add some. 1 tablespoon per gallon of soil no stink no mess and great great help in your ph. Trying to remember which chainstore sells it. I am sure a quick google search will tell you, a friend with a dirty fire place...lol would help right now.....Good Luck

Ohsogreen · Jul 7, 2009

to serve man said:
Won't cider vinegar kill all the microherds? Yeah, I am having bad problems with my ph and I believe my one plant is mangnese def so I am looking for something for that. I should have added the lime directly to the soil, but I didn't. My plants are in day 31 of flowering and the one doesn't look so great. I think all the organics made my ph all outta sync. Can you use ph up or down directly in your teas without it hurting your microbeasties? Thanks for the help everyone.

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To Serve Man..... pH problems can & do occur even in soil grows. pH problems cause nute/mineral lockout, even when plenty of the needed nute / mineral is present. Get a cheap soil pH tester and know where you stand before you start adding things to drive pH up or down. Which could just cause more problems.
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If pH is not the issue (in between 6 and 6.

, Earth Juice Micro Blast is good, so is Cal-Mag or Mag-i-cal (use these as per their labels). Or seaweed extract (used at 1/2 the recommended strength).
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Both the Cal-Mag & Mag-i-cal take care of 90 percent of the problems experienced in flowering (low mag, cal and/or iron).
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Just know where you stand pH wise before doing other things. Also throw up some pics and we can help you dail your plants back in better.....
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Hope this helps.....
Keep it Real...Organic.....
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Psss... If you noticed.... I prefer Mag-i-Cal.....by Technaflora......
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MrBaker · Jul 7, 2009

to serve man said:
Won't cider vinegar kill all the microherds? Yeah, I am having bad problems with my ph and I believe my one plant is mangnese def so I am looking for something for that. I should have added the lime directly to the soil, but I didn't. My plants are in day 31 of flowering and the one doesn't look so great. I think all the organics made my ph all outta sync. Can you use ph up or down directly in your teas without it hurting your microbeasties? Thanks for the help everyone.

I add vinegar to the food mix, not directly to the soil. Adding a little, and pH up a little with dolomite is usually something I have to do.

We had a plant that didn't look so hot, either. We thought it was probably a pH lockout problem along with Mg/Mn (cant remember which :joint:

), so after we let the soil get good and dry we changed the next feeding. This what the plant got...
- dechlorinated water
- ewc
- molasses
- miracle grow 8-0-0 organic
- epsom salts :mrgreen:

- pH'd to "7-7.5" with a cheap pH probe from a garden center using vinegar and dolomite to pH.

pH 7-7.5 was chosen because of the acid rain locally.

to serve man · Jul 7, 2009

Thanks for the help everyone. Is Cal-Mag all organic? I have a new ph tester coming in the mail right now, my last one broke (should be getting it by thursday), but my plant is fading fast, AND my WW is showing signs of the same. I'm almost 99% sure its mangenese and from a ph lockout (To be honest, I haven't checked the ph once since I started this grow... :cry:

). What do you guys think? This came on real fast too. The first pics are of my really bad plant and this is only from a week or so of showing. The last ones are of WW starting to show signs. I know I didn't nip this problem in the "bud" (har har) sooner than I should of, but I'm in the shit now. Just hoping that they don't die on us!

Fallen Buckshot · Jul 7, 2009

to serve man said:
Thanks for the help everyone. Is Cal-Mag all organic? I have a new ph tester coming in the mail right now, my last one broke (should be getting it by thursday), but my plant is fading fast, AND my WW is showing signs of the same. I'm almost 99% sure its mangenese and from a ph lockout (To be honest, I haven't checked the ph once since I started this grow...). What do you guys think? This came on real fast too. The first pics are of my really bad plant and this is only from a week or so of showing. The last ones are of WW starting to show signs. I know I didn't nip this problem in the "bud" (har har) sooner than I should of, but I'm in the shit now. Just hoping that they don't die on us!

if cal-mag is not i believe the products i told you from before Calplex/Fulvex are both natural sources of calcium and magnesium

HighGuy8) · Jul 7, 2009

Liquid seaweed has non organtic preservitevs in it. :blsmoke:

HighGuy8) · Jul 7, 2009

it kills the microbes.

to serve man · Jul 8, 2009

HighGuy8) said:
it kills the microbes.

I don't know how true that is. Maxicrop's Liquid Seaweed is all organic, I thought. I'm looking at Organicare's Fulvex right now. It looks like some really good stuff.

I just got my ph tester in the mail. I will test the soil ph later tonight when I get some distilled water. They are still going down though, I gotta do something QUICK.

to serve man · Jul 8, 2009

Alright, just checked them all. The ph of the bad def plant is a cringing 7.99-8.01! The WW isn't far behind with about 7.78. How do I lower the soil ph before it kills my plants

HighGuy8) · Jul 8, 2009

Raising soil pH : (to make it more alkaline)
It is generally easier to make soil mixes more alkaline than it is to make them more acidic. The addition of dolomite lime, hardwood ash, bone meal, crushed marble, or crushed oyster shells will help to raise the soil pH.

by MisterIto
In soil: add dolomite limestone to the soil; use small amounts of hydrated lime.

Raising hydroponic pH : (to make it more alkaline)

In hydroponics: use potassium silicate, provides silicon at an effective doseage.
In bioponics/hydro-organics: add small amounts of sodium bicarbonate or lime.

Lowering soil pH : (to make it more acidic)
If your soil needs to be more acidic, sawdust, composted leaves, wood chips, cottonseed meal, leaf mold and especially peat moss, will lower the soil pH.

by MisterIto
bloodmeal/cottonseed meal during vegetative; bonemeal during flowering.

Lowering hydroponic pH : (to make it more acidic)

In hydroponics: use nitric acid during vegetative; phosphoric acid during flowering.

Contributed by: Spiritual.Fa
23-08-2003

Stabilizing pH with Dolomite lime

The best way to stable PH is by adding 1 ounce of Dolomite Lime per 1 gallon of planting soil.

to serve man · Jul 8, 2009

Hey thanks. Would I just put the peat moss on top of the soil and water? How fast will that work? Thanks for the info. +rep

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