Bicycles Powered by Rechargeable Batteries!!!

CSI Stickyicky

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These things look so cool! I totally want one. I think i will get one this summer. Imagine not having to pay for gas, AND showing up to work not sweaty. AND they look fun as fuck! Imagine how much money you can save. They say it costs about 10 cents to run 30 miles. Plus, no drivers license is required. Dude, this makes me SO EAGER FOR SUMMER!!! I can't wait to get one of these.

Dude in Paris through traffic
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Straight line high speed
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Bad ass jumps
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CSI Stickyicky

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Lol, just a little slow to the scene, my dads well over 50 and even he's had one of these for donkeys years :lol:
Many years ago, i had seen plans for custom built bikes. I also saw these on the streets of Beijing many years ago, but they were still very expensive on the American market. They are finally affordable, PLUS the battery technology has improved a lot in the last few years. 5 years ago, Lithium batteries were not affordable for me. Now they are.
 

tip top toker

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Haha, yeah, in fairness my old man is a world class lawyer, things like price don't generally enter the equation, the bike alone was built from the ground up to his exact measurements :D

I guess with 50mph et though, you must be massively compromising on torque, that is to say get to a genuine hill and ya fucked :D
 

ginjawarrior

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Haha, yeah, in fairness my old man is a world class lawyer, things like price don't generally enter the equation, the bike alone was built from the ground up to his exact measurements :D

I guess with 50mph et though, you must be massively compromising on torque, that is to say get to a genuine hill and ya fucked :D
i do a reasonably steep/ long hill every weekday on my bike any extra oomph as i pedal up would be greatly appreciated and the ride back down would be even more fun (i can already beat the cars/busses into town :) )

lol IANAL so im not gonna be affording this one
 

Brick Top

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The very best thing about a bicycle is the exercise you get supplying all the power it needs to get you from point 'A' to point 'B.'

What will be next, electric powered rollerblade 'jogging shoes' where you just take a few steps to get a tiny bit of momentum and then the powered system takes over and propels you through your 'jog'?

People need to find more ways to get good healthy exercise, not less.
 

CSI Stickyicky

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The very best thing about a bicycle is the exercise you get supplying all the power it needs to get you from point 'A' to point 'B.'

What will be next, electric powered rollerblade 'jogging shoes' where you just take a few steps to get a tiny bit of momentum and then the powered system takes over and propels you through your 'jog'?

People need to find more ways to get good healthy exercise, not less.
I have a friend who has been doing the electric bike thing over a year, including winter. I showed him your response, and he says he hears that all the time. He says:

"I get more exercise with an electric bike than i otherwise would and here is why:
When i get up in the morning, i have to decide which mode of transportation to take to my destination, which is usually my work. I can choose my car, electric bicycle, or regular bicycle. If i choose the car, i get NO EXERCISE. If i choose the bicycle, the transportation takes 30 minutes, which makes it so i can't go home on my hour lunch. So more often than not, i will choose the Electric Bicycle, so i can get to work in the same amount of time it takes to drive. I have the ability to take my lunch break at home. The lunch factor alone is enough to make me take my car, if the option is between pedaling and driving. When i take the electric bicycle, i pedal along with the electric motor, and i get A LOT MORE EXERCISE THAN I WOULD WHILE SITTING IN MY CAR. Plus, as opposed to a regular bicycle, i don't show up to work drenched with sweat"
 

tip top toker

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Your buddy sounds retarded :D That argument has absolutely nothing to do with cycling verses putting the motor on, it seem based around the idea of eating his lunch at home and that he get's more excersize using an electric bike that driving in his car :p
 

CSI Stickyicky

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Your buddy sounds retarded :D That argument has absolutely nothing to do with cycling verses putting the motor on, it seem based around the idea of eating his lunch at home and that he get's more excersize using an electric bike that driving in his car :p
OK, i'll try and use small words this time.

The argument that Brick Top made was about exercise. Brick Top claimed that you get more exercise on a bicycle than you would on a bicycle partially powered by batteries. This is true, EXCEPT that my buddy doesn't take his electric bike INSTEAD OF the regular bike, he takes it INSTEAD OF his car. He gets MORE EXERCISE on the partially human powered vehicle than in the car, which is powered entirely by it's engine.

Simple enough for you? I understood it, and i was super high when he wrote that, so maybe the retarded one was the one reading, not the one typing.
 

Brick Top

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OK, i'll try and use small words this time.

The argument that Brick Top made was about exercise. Brick Top claimed that you get more exercise on a bicycle than you would on a bicycle partially powered by batteries. This is true, EXCEPT that my buddy doesn't take his electric bike INSTEAD OF the regular bike, he takes it INSTEAD OF his car. He gets MORE EXERCISE on the partially human powered vehicle than in the car, which is powered entirely by it's engine.

Simple enough for you? I understood it, and i was super high when he wrote that, so maybe the retarded one was the one reading, not the one typing.

Maybe you're being; "super high" when you wrote your message was the problem. Your friend, according to you said; "When i get up in the morning, i have to decide which mode of transportation to take to my destination, which is usually my work."

I was not talking about such limited use. And regardless of your friend's or your logic, or what both of you are attempting to pass off as logic, the point is, regardless of your reasons, when you remove much, most or all the peddling you also remove the main benefit for riding a bike.

Roughly a year ago, slightly more I believe, the U.S. Army, and possibly military as a whole, altered it's long standing physical fitness program because over the last decade the average level of fitness of recruits has dropped lower and lower. Their core body strength is not nearly that of the past. Why? Because many people avoid as many things as they can that requires real physical effort, unless it is something really fun. If there is an easier way, they take it.

The more of these sorts of abominations that are marketed the more the average level of physical fitness of anyone who uses them will fall. That could very well equate to a shorter life span. But even if it's a shorter life, if it's easier and you don't have to sweat as much, than it must be a better life and well worth giving up the additional years you otherwise might have had.

When I was a kid it would be nothing to ride my bike 50 miles or more a day. Shortly before retiring I bought a mountain bike and rode it for a number of years until an old back injury started flaring up each time I rode it. Before that I rode it almost every day other than in the coldest portion of winter.

I also had a Yamaha YZ 250 I could have ridden instead, going much of the same places, and enjoying the heck out of it if I would have ridden it instead, and in case you have never ridden a bike like that, you will get some exercise riding it unless you ride it like an old lady ..... but the whole point was the much higher amount/level of exercise of riding the bike.

Your friend would be better off driving his car to work, or whatever destination he is headed to, and doing 30 minutes of aerobics or some sort of workout program or play racquetball or something just two or three times a week, heck, maybe even only once a week would top the exercise he will get riding an electric powered bicycle.

He gets MORE EXERCISE on the partially human powered vehicle than in the car, which is powered entirely by it's engine.
That is an attempt at rationalizing his decision, especially since the regular bicycle option was conveniently left out of the equation.
 

CSI Stickyicky

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Maybe you're being; "super high" when you wrote your message was the problem. Your friend, according to you said; "When i get up in the morning, i have to decide which mode of transportation to take to my destination, which is usually my work."

Perhaps a better way of saying it would have been "which is usually my place of employment"

I was not talking about such limited use. And regardless of your friend's or your logic, or what both of you are attempting to pass off as logic, the point is, regardless of your reasons, when you remove much, most or all the peddling you also remove the main benefit for riding a bike.

15 minutes to work, 15 minutes home on lunch, 15 minutes back, and then 15 minutes home. That's 1 hour per day. I wouldn't call that "limited use".

If the only point in transporting oneself on a bicycle is to get exercise, the "main benefit", than i would say there are better forms of transportation, like walking and jogging. You would burn off more calories in a given mile jogging than you would riding a bike, and you would be very fit. Why not jog everywhere you go? You can go many more miles in a given amount of time on a bicycle than you can by jogging, even though the "main benefit" of jogging is greater. Exercise is not the only benefit to transportation via bicycle.


Roughly a year ago, slightly more I believe, the U.S. Army, and possibly military as a whole, altered it's long standing physical fitness program because over the last decade the average level of fitness of recruits has dropped lower and lower. Their core body strength is not nearly that of the past. Why? Because many people avoid as many things as they can that requires real physical effort, unless it is something really fun. If there is an easier way, they take it.

I agree with you there.

The more of these sorts of abominations that are marketed the more the average level of physical fitness of anyone who uses them will fall. That could very well equate to a shorter life span. But even if it's a shorter life, if it's easier and you don't have to sweat as much, than it must be a better life and well worth giving up the additional years you otherwise might have had.

I disagree. Going back to my daily commute example, that is 1 hour a day of commuting. I could spend that time transporting myself in a number of ways:
OPTION 1: I could walk to work. It takes one hour, one way. Going home on lunch would not be an option. I'd have to set my alarm extra early.
OPTION 2: Public transportation. Not really an option for me, but i had to list it to be fair.
OPTION 3: I could jog to work. I'd show up sweaty, and it would take at least 30 minutes. Going home on lunch is not an option.
OPTION 4: Regular bicycle. 25 minutes one way. I show up sweaty, but a quick hobo shower in the bathroom takes care of it. I need to allow an extra 10-15 minutes for cool down and hobo shower before shift. When i pedal to work, i leave 45 minutes before "clock in" time
OPTION 5: Drive my car. Takes 8-15 minutes, depending on traffic and stoplights. Easy. NO EXERCISE WHATSOEVER. I can go home on lunch and hit the volcano!!!
OPTION 6: Electric/Pedal hybrid bike. Takes 13 minutes. I get some exercise, more than driving a car, less than riding a regular bike. I can go home on lunch and hit my vaporizer!!!

Now you see with just a few more factors included, (i didnt even throw in cost of operation) the only real options are bike, Ebike, and car. With bike, i have to wake up extra early, AND i dont get to go home and hit the volcano on lunch.


When I was a kid it would be nothing to ride my bike 50 miles or more a day. Shortly before retiring I bought a mountain bike and rode it for a number of years until an old back injury started flaring up each time I rode it. Before that I rode it almost every day other than in the coldest portion of winter.

Electric bikes are PERFECT for older people that like riding bikes, but can't due to back/knee injuries. Remember, you can pedal as much or as little as you want.

I also had a Yamaha YZ 250 I could have ridden instead, going much of the same places, and enjoying the heck out of it if I would have ridden it instead, and in case you have never ridden a bike like that, you will get some exercise riding it unless you ride it like an old lady ..... but the whole point was the much higher amount/level of exercise of riding the bike.

Your friend would be better off driving his car to work, or whatever destination he is headed to, and doing 30 minutes of aerobics or some sort of workout program or play racquetball or something just two or three times a week, heck, maybe even only once a week would top the exercise he will get riding an electric powered bicycle.

I suggest you test drive an electric bike. Are you under the impression that the electric motor does ALL the work? It can, if you want it to, but you can choose to pedal along with the motor, and get as much, or as little, exercise as you want.


That is an attempt at rationalizing his decision, especially since the regular bicycle option was conveniently left out of the equation.

The only options that don't require setting the morning alarm earlier, and allow for lunch, and allow me to head straight to the gym or school straight after work are: Car and Ebike. The only real options are listed. I also "conveniently" left out jet-pack.
 

Brick Top

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15 minutes to work, 15 minutes home on lunch, 15 minutes back, and then 15 minutes home. That's 1 hour per day. I wouldn't call that "limited use".


You can define it anyway you want, but the way I see it is if he uses it to go to work and back, that's one use, that's limited usage.


If the only point in transporting oneself on a bicycle is to get exercise, the "main benefit", than i would say there are better forms of transportation, like walking and jogging. You would burn off more calories in a given mile jogging than you would riding a bike, and you would be very fit. Why not jog everywhere you go? You can go many more miles in a given amount of time on a bicycle than you can by jogging, even though the "main benefit" of jogging is greater.



Jogging is harder on your joints and it's slower. Earlier it was said the powered bike was chosen over the peddle bike because of the time difference between using one over the other, so why bring up an even slower way to get to work? It is illogical to go from the earlier position to the current one, even if only to compare levels of exercise.

Exercise is not the only benefit to transportation via bicycle.

What I said was; "The very best thing about a bicycle is the exercise you get supplying all the power it needs to get you from point 'A' to point 'B.'"


The more of these sorts of abominations that are marketed the more the average level of physical fitness of anyone who uses them will fall. That could very well equate to a shorter life span. But even if it's a shorter life, if it's easier and you don't have to sweat as much, than it must be a better life and well worth giving up the additional years you otherwise might have had.

I disagree. Going back to my daily commute example, that is 1 hour a day of commuting. I could spend that time transporting myself in a number of ways:
OPTION 1: I could walk to work. It takes one hour, one way. Going home on lunch would not be an option. I'd have to set my alarm extra early.
OPTION 2: Public transportation. Not really an option for me, but i had to list it to be fair.
OPTION 3: I could jog to work. I'd show up sweaty, and it would take at least 30 minutes. Going home on lunch is not an option.
OPTION 4: Regular bicycle. 25 minutes one way. I show up sweaty, but a quick hobo shower in the bathroom takes care of it. I need to allow an extra 10-15 minutes for cool down and hobo shower before shift. When i pedal to work, i leave 45 minutes before "clock in" time
OPTION 5: Drive my car. Takes 8-15 minutes, depending on traffic and stoplights. Easy. NO EXERCISE WHATSOEVER. I can go home on lunch and hit the volcano!!!
OPTION 6: Electric/Pedal hybrid bike. Takes 13 minutes. I get some exercise, more than driving a car, less than riding a regular bike. I can go home on lunch and hit my vaporizer!!!

Now you see with just a few more factors included, (i didnt even throw in cost of operation) the only real options are bike, Ebike, and car. With bike, i have to wake up extra early, AND i dont get to go home and hit the volcano on lunch.



First a question. Are you now the; "friend" that was mentioned earlier or did you yourself turn into the; "friend?"

Earlier you, or at least someone with your username said; "
I have a friend who has been doing the electric bike thing over a year, including winter. I showed him your response, and he says he hears that all the time. He says:...."

Then it was someone else riding the bike, but now everything is about you. You say; "I," "I," "I," "I," etc. So, are you the same person as before or are you the; "friend," or have you always been the one who ride it and only said it was a; "friend"

But regardless of your six attempts at justification, you, or your; "friend," would be better off, exercise-wise, driving and then taking some form of real exercise once, twice or three times a week. In the amount of time saved between driving rather than riding the powered bike there should be time able to be found for some form of real exercise.



Electric bikes are PERFECT for older people that like riding bikes, but can't due to back/knee injuries. Remember, you can pedal as much or as little as you want.


That is of course ASSUMING that they still retain the needed balance and coordination to ride a two-wheeled bike like was shown. Many older people could not do that. That is why for so many decades those really large tricycles have been popular among older people. It is also why gold carts have over time become very popular with older people. They can ride/drive in more comfort, have room to carry friends and or packages, they can half a top/roof and avoid a lot of the sun that old people often try to avoid because they have had skin cancer problems or they have lupus or to try to avoid cataracts and various other things. They can also have a windshield to block wind, bugs and rain. There are also snap on kits for sides so when it's rainy, they can still use them.

Sure they don't give the older person any exercise, but they also do not result in a broken hip because they lack the balance and or coordination, and maybe even eyesight, to safely ride a two-wheeled bike.






I suggest you test drive an electric bike. Are you under the impression that the electric motor does ALL the work? It can, if you want it to,
but you can choose to pedal along with the motor
, and get as much, or as little, exercise as you want.


OK, if you chose to peddle along with the motor, what percentage of effort would you put out in comparison to a non-motorized peddle only bike? Would you be dealing with an equal or roughly equal amount of resistance to riding an non-powered bike, or would it be more like peddling along as you coast down a hill and you have extremely little resistance, which also means there is little to no exercise.

As for trying one, I have no interest in one. But what the looks of it reminds me of are the peddle scooters that many people had when I was young. They were like a heavy framed bike with a small gas engine and you would have to peddle to get them going and you could peddle along, but it was pretty much like peddling going downhill, so there was little to no real exercise value.


The only 'bikes' I would consider buying would be the Yamaha WR 450F and or maybe a Harley Softail Classic.




That is an attempt at rationalizing his decision, especially since the regular bicycle option was conveniently left out of the equation.
The only options that don't require setting the morning alarm earlier, and allow for lunch, and allow me to head straight to the gym or school straight after work are: Car and Ebike. The only real options are listed. I also "conveniently" left out jet-pack.[/QUOTE]


As I have said, the car would be quicker and help free up more time for real exercise. Again, you were rationalizing in an attempt to create a nonexistent justification.

My guess would be the real reasons you use the powered bike would be things like .... you think it's keen, that it's fun, that it's unique and catches eyes and that makes you feel cool, it's clean as in not polluting so you can brag about being 'green,' you may have the only one in your area, or one of only a few so you can feel like a trendsetter and progressive, that considering the price you can say 'that's right, I can afford toys like this,' that it is handy in traffic because you don't have to actually be in it and when it comes to parking, well, unless there is some area specifically denied to you, you could park it anywhere any other type of bike could be parked.

And again, just so I know, are you the same person who earlier said you were talking about a; "friend" and you actually are the alleged; "friend," or are you the; "friend" and now I have two people using the same username and replying to me? I would just like to know if I am dealing with one person or two, and also if the; "friend" thing was just a story rather than saying; "I" or me or whatever all along.
 

cannabutt

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Lol, just a little slow to the scene, my dads well over 50 and even he's had one of these for donkeys years :lol:
True, and what do you do while waiting for batteries to charge? surf the net with MS DOS system :lol:

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CSI Stickyicky

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You can define it anyway you want, but the way I see it is if he uses it to go to work and back, that's one use, that's limited usage.

True, i failed to mention the many other uses. ANY trip less than 20 miles where you are only carrying the cargo you can fit in a backpack. Which is actually most day to day trips, in my area.

Jogging is harder on your joints and it's slower. Earlier it was said the powered bike was chosen over the peddle bike because of the time difference between using one over the other, so why bring up an even slower way to get to work? It is illogical to go from the earlier position to the current one, even if only to compare levels of exercise.

You are starting to remind me of a politician.

But regardless of your six attempts at justification, you, or your; "friend," would be better off, exercise-wise, driving and then taking some form of real exercise once, twice or three times a week. In the amount of time saved between driving rather than riding the powered bike there should be time able to be found for some form of real exercise.

Driving provides NO exercise. Bicycling provides some.
The one hour per day commute is happening, no matter what form of transportation i pick. It's really not that hard of a concept. If you don't understand it by now, i cant help you.


OK, if you chose to peddle along with the motor, what percentage of effort would you put out in comparison to a non-motorized peddle only bike?

Whatever you choose. You can go 100% pedal, or 100% electric. You push on the pedals as hard as you want.

Would you be dealing with an equal or roughly equal amount of resistance to riding an non-powered bike, or would it be more like peddling along as you coast down a hill and you have extremely little resistance, which also means there is little to no exercise.

Depends on what gear you are in. I am thinking that you are thinking that the pedals do nothing. Unlike the mopeds of many years ago, these use more of the human power, and less of the motor. They are also A LOT lighter. And they go faster.

As for trying one, I have no interest in one. But what the looks of it reminds me of are the peddle scooters that many people had when I was young. They were like a heavy framed bike with a small gas engine and you would have to peddle to get them going and you could peddle along, but it was pretty much like peddling going downhill, so there was little to no real exercise value.

Those were OK, but not practical. This is similar in function, but really not the same as one of those old mopeds. The electric ones are quiet, legal without a license, lightweight, and look like a bicycle.

The only 'bikes' I would consider buying would be the Yamaha WR 450F and or maybe a Harley Softail Classic.

Can't argue with that.




As I have said, the car would be quicker and help free up more time for real exercise. Again, you were rationalizing in an attempt to create a nonexistent justification.

The car is NOT quicker a lot of the time. The car and the bike take the same amount of time, roughly.

My guess would be the real reasons you use the powered bike would be things like ....

you think it's keen,

I don't even know what that means.

that it's fun,

It is.

that it's unique and catches eyes and that makes you feel cool,

It's not unique, many people have Ebikes. There are millions on the road worldwide. Millions. It doesn't catch the eye any more than a regular bicycle.

it's clean as in not polluting so you can brag about being 'green,'

I don't brag about it, but i do like that aspect. I hate the term "green" it's the latest fad. I am happy about not using expensive gasoline. I am happy about polluting less, and i do like using a locally produced energy source, but i could give a shit about being "green"

you may have the only one in your area, or one of only a few so you can feel like a trendsetter and progressive,

There are many on the road. Start looking around.

that considering the price you can say 'that's right, I can afford toys like this,'

Really? Haha, that's actually giving me a chuckle.

that it is handy in traffic because you don't have to actually be in it

HUGE PLUS!!!!

and when it comes to parking, well, unless there is some area specifically denied to you, you could park it anywhere any other type of bike could be parked.

HUGE PLUS!!!!
 
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