I've always ran 24 hrs for veg and have never ever, ever, ever got males from feminized seeds. I got t5s and a 400 mh for veg and run them 24/7. I don't keep plants in veg longer than 1 mo. I have a great clone dude and the 150$ I contribute to him monthly is well worth it. He gives me great first clones from his mother and I know he needs the income. do not grow if you think you're going to become super rich and famous. It's not all about the "lifestyles of the rich and shameless" lost boyz song. I also grow tomatoes, peppers, and strawberries( my son wanted a plant). I wish I could grow cows(hahaha j/k) but hey if I could, I just want 20 acres and a few plants(vegetable garden) and some livestock and I'd be set. People in other countries live off way less and only know that way of life. Us Americans are so fortunate( whether we know it, or not) that we don't enforce our god given/ constitutional rights. I'm sorry if I sound preachy or whatever, but I'm on la con, and reminiscent of when I was in service, and told not to question anything. I did that as long as I could. But now I am able to speak freely regardless of consequences, because I've already been through the worst consequences possible and I still have my dick. But yeah I've never had male flowers from any seeds I've ever gotten (Reggie or online).