Could I Be Smoking Poison?

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jsisko01

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Hi everyone. Wasn't sure where to post this.. but thanks for checking out. So to get to the point, I think I could be smoking nitrogen toxic bud. I harvested some Red Poison autoflowers by Sweet Seeds that had "the claw" real bad. And most of the sugar leaves turned pure black. I know this is a dark strain, reddish-purple but I know black is not normal lol.. I cut off almost all of the sugar leaves, but I'm sure if there was a problem with the plant, it's absorbed into the buds as well, i.e. too much nitrogen, various heavy metals. I was using Fox Farms Ocean Forest with a thin bottom layer of Kind Soil, which is a super soil sold locally in Ann Arbor. I used no nutrients the whole grow, other than occasionally adding powder fulvic acid to the water. I'm sure it was obviously the super soil being too hot for a small autoflower, the guy even warned me about them. I also had kept them in solo cups in cocoa way too long and was neglecting them, then finally transplanted them as I noticed they started flowering. The biggest one only grew barely over a foot tall, and I had one that was shorter than a lighter too lol. I attached a couple pics to check out but they were taken from my terrible phone camera and were under blue lighting. Sorry.

Other than the nutrient problems, these things smell amazing. One of them flowered a couple weeks longer than the others and got super dark purple, and the hairs were dark orange. From my understanding, when you harvest too late that means this plant will be really strong in CBD/CBN as the THC breaks down right? This one is a very fruity smell with a slight sourness like diesel. The other one was the biggest and didn't get as dark in color, it's purple and looks like a glaze of snow over it. It literally smells like Flinstone vitamins to me haha.

So do you guys think this stuff is okay to smoke? It's very smooth but it doesn't get me that high. I feel weird like drunk and heard that's what CBD/CBN highs feel like. But what if I feel like this because of nitrogen poisoning? I get real weak feeling. They were grown organically. The only thing is I didn't flush... and that's why I think these things are toxic. But I heard in organics, flushing is not necessary. Can anyone offer their expert advice?


And LOL, I was just thinking that's funny if my red poison strain actually is poison.
 

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Indacouch

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You grew it organically you say and you think there was some N tox ....so your afraid to smoke it ....and there's no mold and the bud smells delicious correct
 
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jsisko01

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I didn't. What I'm saying is if they were suffering nitrogen toxicity during harvest, and I did not flush, I'm assuming all of that extra nitrogen and other various metals from the soil will be potent in the bud. And that could be poisonous to consume
 
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jsisko01

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Indacouch said:
You grew it organically you say and you think there was some N tox ....so your afraid to smoke it ....and there's no mold and the bud smells delicious correct
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It smells better than any bud I've ever bought at dispensaries, but it could still contain built up nutrients. When you flush the plant uses up the last of its stored nutrients. I'm afraid these plants had too much and I harvested them like that.
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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so let me get tihs straight, you didn't add any outside nutrients other than what was already in fox farms ocean forest, which usually is only enough to take plants about 3 weeks or so into veg, and some locally accessed super soil that had i have no idea in it, but it all should have been organic if it were a true super soil, and you're wondering if you're being poisoned by nitrogen?
as far as i'm aware, one would have to feed a plant an exorbitant amount of an outside source of nitrogen in order to get any where near a toxic level of it.. besides that, nutrients aren't stored in the plant itself, but rather in the root zone and are only passed on to the plant when needed.. so unless you smoked the roots, i'd say you're safe..
and lastly, flushing is a hotly debated topic around here, but the general consensus on it is that there is absolutely no scientific data that backs up that flushing does anything what so ever to improve either the taste or burn qualities of cannabis..
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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jsisko01 said:
It smells better than any bud I've ever bought at dispensaries, but it could still contain built up nutrients. When you flush the plant uses up the last of its stored nutrients. I'm afraid these plants had too much and I harvested them like that.
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that is a myth, flushing a plant does not use up stored up nutrients.. firstly, check out what mobile and immoblie nutrients are, in short, not all nutrients in a plant can be moved from with in the plant, these are immobile nutes, and no amount of water dumped through a medium such as soil will remove these..
 
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jsisko01

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racerboy71 said:
so let me get tihs straight, you didn't add any outside nutrients other than what was already in fox farms ocean forest, which usually is only enough to take plants about 3 weeks or so into veg, and some locally accessed super soil that had i have no idea in it, but it all should have been organic if it were a true super soil, and you're wondering if you're being poisoned by nitrogen?
as far as i'm aware, one would have to feed a plant an exorbitant amount of an outside source of nitrogen in order to get any where near a toxic level of it.. besides that, nutrients aren't stored in the plant itself, but rather in the root zone and are only passed on to the plant when needed.. so unless you smoked the roots, i'd say you're safe..
and lastly, flushing is a hotly debated topic around here, but the general consensus on it is that there is absolutely no scientific data that backs up that flushing does anything what so ever to improve either the taste or burn qualities of cannabis..
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That's some good information there thanks. I will research into that. I've heard that organic soil grows do not need a flush because of how the nutrients are made naturally available to plants due to microbes breaking down organic matter. In synthetic nutrients, they are cholated and absorbed differently by the plant. At wider pH ranges and the plant has to absorb these salt nutes whether it needs them or not, and that is why it's so easy to burn plants in hydro systems. That's also why people claim hydro grown plants are a harsher smoke.

I'm only stating what I have gathered around the internet, but never looked too deep into it. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of that? Not trying to debate anything, just like to learn :bigjoint:
 
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jsisko01

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Check out kindsoil.com and tell me what you think of the ingredients. The only one that concerns me is the debatable Azomite.

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racerboy71

racerboy71

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let me find the thread on here started by our member riddlem3, it's pretty much the thread everyone gets pointed to when talking about flushing vs non flushing..
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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jsisko01 said:
I didn't. What I'm saying is if they were suffering nitrogen toxicity during harvest, and I did not flush, I'm assuming all of that extra nitrogen and other various metals from the soil will be potent in the bud. And that could be poisonous to consume
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..Dude. Not trying to insult you, but you sound really silly. If you grew organically and didn't directly add poison to it, just because your plant is nitrogen toxic doesn't mean it can poison you. It can't.
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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Also IMO I would think if it was actually possible for your plant to contain enough N or anything in an extreme amount it would be dead before you had a chance to smoke it .....and or there would be a lot of dead stoners just MO ......I think your a lil paranoid maybe Lol
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Indacouch said:
Also IMO I would think if it was actually possible for your plant to contain enough N or anything in an extreme amount it would be dead before you had a chance to smoke it .....and or there would be a lot of dead stoners just MO ......I think your a lil paranoid maybe Lol
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I was thinking that in my head.
 
Rhizosphere

Rhizosphere

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jsisko01 said:
Hi everyone. Wasn't sure where to post this.. but thanks for checking out. So to get to the point, I think I could be smoking nitrogen toxic bud. I harvested some Red Poison autoflowers by Sweet Seeds that had "the claw" real bad. And most of the sugar leaves turned pure black. I know this is a dark strain, reddish-purple but I know black is not normal lol.. I cut off almost all of the sugar leaves, but I'm sure if there was a problem with the plant, it's absorbed into the buds as well, i.e. too much nitrogen, various heavy metals. I was using Fox Farms Ocean Forest with a thin bottom layer of Kind Soil, which is a super soil sold locally in Ann Arbor. I used no nutrients the whole grow, other than occasionally adding powder fulvic acid to the water. I'm sure it was obviously the super soil being too hot for a small autoflower, the guy even warned me about them. I also had kept them in solo cups in cocoa way too long and was neglecting them, then finally transplanted them as I noticed they started flowering. The biggest one only grew barely over a foot tall, and I had one that was shorter than a lighter too lol. I attached a couple pics to check out but they were taken from my terrible phone camera and were under blue lighting. Sorry.

Other than the nutrient problems, these things smell amazing. One of them flowered a couple weeks longer than the others and got super dark purple, and the hairs were dark orange. From my understanding, when you harvest too late that means this plant will be really strong in CBD/CBN as the THC breaks down right? This one is a very fruity smell with a slight sourness like diesel. The other one was the biggest and didn't get as dark in color, it's purple and looks like a glaze of snow over it. It literally smells like Flinstone vitamins to me haha.

So do you guys think this stuff is okay to smoke? It's very smooth but it doesn't get me that high. I feel weird like drunk and heard that's what CBD/CBN highs feel like. But what if I feel like this because of nitrogen poisoning? I get real weak feeling. They were grown organically. The only thing is I didn't flush... and that's why I think these things are toxic. But I heard in organics, flushing is not necessary. Can anyone offer their expert advice?


And LOL, I was just thinking that's funny if my red poison strain actually is poison.
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smoke the stuff man its fine!!
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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The clawing meant the soil was a bit too hot but that's about it. You do realize that there are nitrates in just about everything you consume. Nutrients are in your food; unless you consider hot dogs to be poison you are good.
Next time when you build a mix let it set for a month before using it and/or cut it down with some coco & perlite. Water only soil is great but you've got to wait until the ph is in a safe range before dropping young plants in it.
 
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