Dense buds while alive, fluffy after harvest

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QueefCollins

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I recently chopped my two plants after ~10 weeks in flowering. Trichomes are ~99% cloudy because I wanted the psychedelic buzz with little/no heavy stone.

The thread title explains my issue, so my question is: will they harden up once they've settled during drying/curing?

I'm going to hang-dry them for 3-5 days, then put them in a paper bag to dry for another 3-5 days, then into a mason jar to cure for X amount of days.

When I put them in the bag and then into the jar I will turn them daily to ensure even settling. Will this make them re-condense?

Any useful input is appreciated!
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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bud has 75% water in it before you dry em... after the water has evaporated, the bud will get hard and dense again...

dont forget to cure it afterwards.
 
Ledhed

Ledhed

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Why hang dry, then bag them? Paper bags themselves absorb a ton of moisture, that is the main reason for using them. It helps to speed up the actual hang drying time for those with little patience, or those in a more humid climate. Just my opinion, but hanging to dry, then bagging them would result in overdrying before the actual cure. Just my opinion here, do what you think is best
 
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MayoMaster

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QueefCollins said:
I recently chopped my two plants after ~10 weeks in flowering. Trichomes are ~99% cloudy because I wanted the psychedelic buzz with little/no heavy stone.

The thread title explains my issue, so my question is: will they harden up once they've settled during drying/curing?

I'm going to hang-dry them for 3-5 days, then put them in a paper bag to dry for another 3-5 days, then into a mason jar to cure for X amount of days.

When I put them in the bag and then into the jar I will turn them daily to ensure even settling. Will this make them re-condense?

Any useful input is appreciated!
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Here's a nice little tip to get denser buds:
When you cut the buds, and you can do this anytime all the way until they are fully dry, put them in a plastic bag and smooth the edges and condense them to the size you would like. Whatever you form them into, then dry, they will stay like that. That's how dealers get that awesome smooth nug look. Or just super long cures. ;)
 
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QueefCollins

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Voodoo, by your logic I could grow indica and harvest it early to make it like sativa, and grow sativa and harvest it late to make it like indica. According to Cannaversity, harvesting when trichomes are all cloudy results in the high being solely attributed to the strain and not to a mixture of cloudy/amber.

Ledhed, I just assumed the paper bag would be a transition from full exposure to air to a closed environment they would get during the mason jar. This is my first grow/harvest so I'm not speaking from personal experience. Would you recommend going straight from hanging into the mason?

Mayo, that would be one possibility. However I do plan to cure for at least 5 weeks while turning the buds daily for even distribution of settling. We'll see!

All I know for sure is that I got uber-lucky with this grow. 2 out of 3 plants (from bagseed) turned out female and made beautiful, smelly buds....almost reminiscent of cheesy feet but in a GOOD way. You guys know what I mean. The bag of smoke I got the seeds from was killer so I can only assume it has good genetics, plus mine is sensi so it's already better.
 
DoeEyed

DoeEyed

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Sounds like you grew a Sativa dominant plant. Needed to flower longer, and they require tons of light. I noticed the same thing with my Train Wreck plants. the buds looked huge - and then they dried, down to barely an O off each plant. The density just wasn't there. Nothing you can really do about it, short of giving them more light for a longer period.
 
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voodoofx

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Your english comprehension is not very good. Is it your second language?I wrote that if you want a sativa high you should grow a sativa.
QueefCollins said:
Voodoo, by your logic I could grow indica and harvest it early to make it like sativa, and grow sativa and harvest it late to make it like indica. According to Cannaversity, harvesting when trichomes are all cloudy results in the high being solely attributed to the strain and not to a mixture of cloudy/amber.

Ledhed, I just assumed the paper bag would be a transition from full exposure to air to a closed environment they would get during the mason jar. This is my first grow/harvest so I'm not speaking from personal experience. Would you recommend going straight from hanging into the mason?

Mayo, that would be one possibility. However I do plan to cure for at least 5 weeks while turning the buds daily for even distribution of settling. We'll see!

All I know for sure is that I got uber-lucky with this grow. 2 out of 3 plants (from bagseed) turned out female and made beautiful, smelly buds....almost reminiscent of cheesy feet but in a GOOD way. You guys know what I mean. The bag of smoke I got the seeds from was killer so I can only assume it has good genetics, plus mine is sensi so it's already better.
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mookie brown

mookie brown

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MayoMaster said:
Here's a nice little tip to get denser buds:
When you cut the buds, and you can do this anytime all the way until they are fully dry, put them in a plastic bag and smooth the edges and condense them to the size you would like. Whatever you form them into, then dry, they will stay like that. That's how dealers get that awesome smooth nug look. Or just super long cures. ;)
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I think this is piss poor advice. If you were to put wet sticky fresh cut buds inside a plastic bag you are going to damage trichs & lose a lot of them by sticking to the bag. Piss poor advice !!

Hang buds to dry & when they are ready to be jarred just put in jars. They'll take shape in the jars & become dense.

What I do before I jar, is put my buds in a brown paper bag & give it a slight shake for a few minutes. Let the buds tumble in the brown paper bag. You'll be surprised at how they take shape. Only do it after they have dried & are ready to be jarred. It's not necessary but that's what I do !!
 
probo24

probo24

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mookie brown said:
I think this is piss poor advice. If you were to put wet sticky fresh cut buds inside a plastic bag you are going to damage trichs & lose a lot of them by sticking to the bag. Piss poor advice !!

Hang buds to dry & when they are ready to be jarred just put in jars. They'll take shape in the jars & become dense.

What I do before I jar, is put my buds in a brown paper bag & give it a slight shake for a few minutes. Let the buds tumble in the brown paper bag. You'll be surprised at how they take shape. Only do it after they have dried & are ready to be jarred. It's not necessary but that's what I do !!
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Thats what you want to do to keep the trichomes on the buds,
put them in a bag and shake it.
I was with you up until that point.
That my friend, is more piss poor advice.
 
mookie brown

mookie brown

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probo24 said:
Thats what you want to do to keep the trichomes on the buds,
put them in a bag and shake it.
I was with you up until that point.
That my friend, is more piss poor advice.
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So you're saying to cut buds off plant & stick them straight into bags right after you cut them to save trichomes ? Hmmmm
 
migenetics

migenetics

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mookie brown said:
So you're saying to cut buds off plant & stick them straight into bags right after you cut them to save trichomes ? Hmmmm
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No I think he's saying that your shaking method is gonna lose you a lot of the trichs just like forming them in a bag. Just grow an indica if you want blocky , dense nuggets.
 
Ledhed

Ledhed

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I never shake my buds, good way to lose trichs. I only use paper bags if I harvest during the more humid summer months because your typical brown paper shopping bag sucks moisure out quite easily. My personal preferred method is the old tried and true hanging, or on wire racks, for a few days, then directly into glass jars for the actual cure. There are a lot of different methods, and everyone has their own preferences, but to me, a few days of exposure to air, then in jars, works the best. I've never put a fan on my bud after harvesting, don't really get that. Maybe because after months of growing and TLC, I see no need to try to rush the most important part of obtaining quality smoke. I have used paper bags, but again, only in summer when the humidity in my region is extremely high. All this talk of shaking and "shaping" buds, to me, is ridiculous.
 
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QueefCollins

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Voodoo, it is you, my friend, that must not have a strong comprehension of the English language. My sentences are coherent and well-structured, while yours are obviously not since I apparently misunderstood what you said. The reasons I didn't just "grow a sativa to get a sativa high" are many, but it's not worth my time to explain them.

I can't believe some people suggested putting my buds in a bag and shaking it. Saying retarded things will make people think you're retarded!

I came home today and they were crispier than I anticipated, so I put them in the only container with a lid that I have on hand. It's a tupperware box that I lined with aluminum foil. I put it in the fridge to slow the water loss and keep it cool, as it's been in the 80's here recently.
 
Ledhed

Ledhed

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Get it out of the tupperware, that only creates humidity, ESPECIALLY if you have it in the fridge. Get rid of the foil too, no need and no use for that whatsoever. Surely you have an old mayo or pickle jar, some sort of glass container that can be cleaned good and used. Anything but tupperware. You're almost asking for mold in that, especially in a refrigerator.
Gotta say something to the person who suggested plastic bags to "shape" buds too. WTF, worst advice ever. NEVER put wet bud into plastic bags. It makes me wonder if people understand the concepts of condensation, moisture loss, and moisture retention. Read more, learn more, and please do not pass on bad advice.
 
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Bobby Buffont

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drying marijuana:: for optimal results, dry buds by hanging upside down temp a steady 65-70 degrees F humidity NO MORE THAN 20% . fan is good to use but DO NOT put on the buds. ONLY AFTER the stem snaps and not bends.. is it ready to be cured. youll feel the bud and think its crisp.. but if the stem bends.. it needs to dry out more. when that occurs you put in airtight jars opening every half hour. for a week. or til chosen internal moisture level has reached your liking the longer you cure the better the bud.. i know a pot snob that wont smoke dope if its not at least 3 months old!!
 
ogkush420

ogkush420

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wow guys lol this thread is funny all buds feel hard on the plant (when Mature) the calyx's swell up with resin an water the best most simple advice is of course when u cut it its gonna lose that its no longer alive and the bud is not actually that big its filled with water and if u did it right maybe a little sugar the best way is to hang upside down after u trim of course from 3 to 7 days just depending on how much water it absorbs the stem should make a snap sound when dry not break off just snapp then throw it in a jar for 2 to 4 weeks its all ur prefrence on smell and taste the buds will shrink up and if the strain calls for tight buds they will be tight (if mature before harvest) i more of a fan of light buds call me crazy but if ur growin for personal always has the best high and never i mean never put sticky or wet buds in a plastic bag it will mold,change the color the smell is horrible the stickyness is resin it needs to cure the longer the cure the better high and taste and the slower the dry the better the high remeber that saying my friend
 
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