Hardwater? Nutrient burn? Fungus?

Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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I do believe I am in serious trouble here with these girls! I couldn't use the RO I purchased b/c it needed to be attached to a garden hose, which I don't have in my apartment. I am using a walk in closet, started with grow tent, couldn't keep temp down. I alleviated temp issues with air conditioning and allowing tent doors to remain open. 400W HPS w/6"intake w/carbon filter. Super Lumens. Light is about 2' above plants. I used nutrients in beginning but then recently switched to distilled water (I think I have hard water, check out in pics) I always used dirt before, never had these issues. I thought Hydro would be easier than obtaining all the ingredients for a proper dirt medium. I don't want to totally lose these plants, I just don't want them to die. I can start new ones when I figure out what the problems are here. Initially, I treated with an organic natural fungicide, but the plants are not improving. Temp stays b/w 70 and 80 all the time. Humidity ranges from
20 to 35%. Any help would be much appreciated. <3
 

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HayStax

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Why don't you run to the hardware store and pick up a sink thread to hose adapter? They sell them at any hardware store for like 5 bucks. Those stretchy as seen on TV hoses actually are great for indoor.
 
Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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Ok so you think it is a hard water issue? I used filtered water from my tap. I will go and get a connector. I didn't think it was that simple since I would have to hook mine to a bathroom sink. Im using General Hydro FloraMicro, Gro, and Bloom. Apparently, I have a cheap PPM meter, it stays b/w 230-280. PH stays b/w 5.5-6.5. I don't understand why they are doing so poorly. Any ideas? or is all that damage just from the filtered water? I really appreciate your time. Thanks and Happy New Year!
 
longdongjohnson

longdongjohnson

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Looks like ur in dwc. If the roots are not touching the water you can water daily from the top until the roots hit the water or you can raise your water level until the bubbles are hitting the roots then lower the water level. Make sure you are not saturating the plug you have the plants in. Keep your ppm low for plants that size. Those things are looking bad, but I have seen plants like that turn into beauties. Don't get discouraged.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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i don't think thats hard water doing that. thats definitely grower error. get that out of your head lol, this is something you've been doing wrong. technical error or oversight.
ok, lets go from the start. you cloned them or started them from seed.
then you dropped the rooted plant into the net pot and started top feeding with nutrient water that had about 250 ppm
then you kept top feeding them until the roots had dropped into the water and through the hydroton because the water level is below your hydroton
then as the roots dipped into the water you started top feeding less
then when they became self watering you started bumping up the ppms to 300-350 depending on how many ppms the water started with and kept the ppm constant so far.

the light has always been at 2'

if theres any deviation from this please explain. it will give a more in depth picture of what may be wrong and then we can work from there.
 
howsitgrowin420

howsitgrowin420

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Alienwidow said:
i don't think thats hard water doing that. thats definitely grower error. get that out of your head lol, this is something you've been doing wrong. technical error or oversight.
ok, lets go from the start. you cloned them or started them from seed.
then you dropped the rooted plant into the net pot and started top feeding with nutrient water that had about 250 ppm
then you kept top feeding them until the roots had dropped into the water and through the hydroton because the water level is below your hydroton
then as the roots dipped into the water you started top feeding less
then when they became self watering you started bumping up the ppms to 300-350 depending on how many ppms the water started with and kept the ppm constant so far.

the light has always been at 2'

if theres any deviation from this please explain. it will give a more in depth picture of what may be wrong and then we can work from there.
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That is the most cumbersome and confusing way of asking a question I have ever read, that is probably why people don't listen to you 24 hours a day anymore on the internet.

Don't drink and answer posts, you sound stupid. Nobody listens to alcoholics.
 
ballist

ballist

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I really don't know what you did but my guess is you overfed them at first and caused the leaves to burn and now your starving them. I guess by now they are dead anyway as your not been back for a couple of days
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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they look sad
start some new plants, even if they do recover
it would take almost as long as starting new ones
do they have some kind of root disease ?
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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howsitgrowin420 said:
That is the most cumbersome and confusing way of asking a question I have ever read, that is probably why people don't listen to you 24 hours a day anymore on the internet.

Don't drink and answer posts, you sound stupid. Nobody listens to alcoholics.
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i had two beers last night after i watered and made a couple transplants? i don't think I'm an alcoholic lol. And thanks for adding your insight. your helping this poster quite well by shitting in his thread. i must be in your head pretty bad cause your following me around like a common troll. toughen up bro, you mad or something?
 
Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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I was back yesterday. I think you are correct about overfeeding in the beginning, The PPM was almost 600 at one point, which is when I changed fertilizer and water, flushed roots and let them with PPM at 150-270, they continued to look worse. I noticed a white ring around the nets, I then stopped using filtered water and went straight with distilled, adding suggested nutrient quantities / gallon(General Hydro Flora) The roots looked fine and are growing rapidly, but the plants produce new green leaves that quickly turn. I know they won't yield anything at this point but I hope I can bring them back to life. I am germinating new seeds. Any suggestions on keeping these alive?? I have PPM around 150 right now. and have kept water level above roots, once the roots dropped from net I reduced water levels. PH was always between 5.5 and 6.5. The first batch was Sweet Amnesia, Silver Haze # 9, Silver Queen, Trueberry, Headband, Chocolate something, Cotton Candy, Cotton Candy Cane, Blue Cheese.... I lost all of them. Please help. . The tents get super hot I had to open the doors and put Visqueen on walls of room but allow new plants to be in reflective tent w/400W HPS when they were about 3 or 4 weeks. though they seemed to like the MH better. Any help is appreciated
 
ballist

ballist

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My last grow I used city punch which was aroun 150ppm and in the beginning I added GH flora duo and bougth in upto 450ppm for the first week or 2. I had a plant in hydro that looked a little like yours that I tried to save but failed. Every time I thought it was improving I would add some nuts and it would fall over again. I am very inexperiencede with hydro so you might get better advise from someone else. Good luck
 
Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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thanks so much, I had a lot more success with dirt. I was thinking of using dirt in jiffy pots to start, then transplanting in 5 gallon buckets with net basket and clay ( so I don't have to totally waste hydro stuff) I can still use General Hydro 3 part. do you think that would work? the only dirt I currently have to work with is miracle grow dirt for houseplants.
 
ODanksta

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howsitgrowin420 said:
That is the most cumbersome and confusing way of asking a question I have ever read, that is probably why people don't listen to you 24 hours a day anymore on the internet.

Don't drink and answer posts, you sound stupid. Nobody listens to alcoholics.
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Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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skunkd0c said:
they look sad
start some new plants, even if they do recover
it would take almost as long as starting new ones
do they have some kind of root disease ?
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I suppose it is possible, my goal, to understand why this happened so I don't repeat the same errors. I want to switch to dirt. I used to just wing it, and produced phenomenal plants, now I try to go pro hydro and FAIL. lol
 
Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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longdongjohnson said:
Looks like ur in dwc. If the roots are not touching the water you can water daily from the top until the roots hit the water or you can raise your water level until the bubbles are hitting the roots then lower the water level. Make sure you are not saturating the plug you have the plants in. Keep your ppm low for plants that size. Those things are looking bad, but I have seen plants like that turn into beauties. Don't get discouraged.
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Thanks longdong. i will try to bring them around. I kept water level up but didn't realize the plug should not be in the water :( The roots were sticking out from plugs when transplanted into net pot with grow rock and clay.I kept it all immersed in the water, when roots came below net, I reduced water level. I guess I drowned them?
 
ballist

ballist

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I find dirt much easier to be honest. I have also had success with hempys which I find easier than dirt in a number of ways. Sure you can use the nuits you have in dirt. Mg might be pre loaded with nutrients so be careful
 
Ms.Green9412

Ms.Green9412

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ballist said:
I find dirt much easier to be honest. I have also had success with hempys which I find easier than dirt in a number of ways. Sure you can use the nuits you have in dirt. Mg might be pre loaded with nutrients so be careful
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I will give it a try. Thanks for taking the time to read my post and offer advice. I am reading some of the old posts and continually entertained by all the rude comments. What happened to the peace and love man?
 
ballist

ballist

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This is the led section, flame wars are pretty common in here pity! I will be starting a new grow in a week or so. New setup in new location. Starting from scratch. Plan is to scrog 1-2 plants under 300-400 watts of led. Diy veros
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Ms.Green9412 said:
I was back yesterday. I think you are correct about overfeeding in the beginning, The PPM was almost 600 at one point, which is when I changed fertilizer and water, flushed roots and let them with PPM at 150-270, they continued to look worse. I noticed a white ring around the nets, I then stopped using filtered water and went straight with distilled, adding suggested nutrient quantities / gallon(General Hydro Flora) The roots looked fine and are growing rapidly, but the plants produce new green leaves that quickly turn. I know they won't yield anything at this point but I hope I can bring them back to life. I am germinating new seeds. Any suggestions on keeping these alive?? I have PPM around 150 right now. and have kept water level above roots, once the roots dropped from net I reduced water levels. PH was always between 5.5 and 6.5. The first batch was Sweet Amnesia, Silver Haze # 9, Silver Queen, Trueberry, Headband, Chocolate something, Cotton Candy, Cotton Candy Cane, Blue Cheese.... I lost all of them. Please help. . The tents get super hot I had to open the doors and put Visqueen on walls of room but allow new plants to be in reflective tent w/400W HPS when they were about 3 or 4 weeks. though they seemed to like the MH better. Any help is appreciated
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i think they'll make it. you say the leaves are still turning? thats cause they're still feeling the nute burn. they'll grow out of it. 150 ppm and keeper steady for a week. then when they start bouncing back get it up to 300. ya gotta watch the ppm. happy holidays.
 
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