Help requested. 30days into flower, 1st time grow

StrangerDanger

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Plant strain: Caramelicious....(mostly indica blend)
Age: 2months/ 31 days into 12/12 flower cycle.
Medium: Miracle grow organic potting mix, five gallon pot.
food: jobes organics vegetable and tomato...3-0-4 (as directed, powder mixed with water every 7-14 days), molasses 1tbsn to one gal water only when feeding.
lights: 2x 100watt hps, supplemented with many many cfls, smaller cfls, but like16 13watt- 60watt equivalents.

For the most part the top of the plant seems healthy. The buds are growing, and crystals are forming well. This is my first grow so I am not used to exactly what I am seeing other than I am not an idiot and have done much research in the form of youtube, forums, and other internet help. The bottom third of the plant however is having issues as you can see in the pics. It started out slow, but seems to have gotten worse over the last week. I have another plant of the same information, that has the problem too, however it doesn't seem to be as bad, but at the same time the second plants buds are not as large yet, and the plant stalk and branches are about six inches taller than the one pictured. I also have another strain that is unknown from a free seed that is not showing the problem but is the same age, medium and food. The unknown plant appears to be all or mostly sativa based on the size and look of it. I dont want to lose this crop so i am trying to figure out what is going on with her as she has another month of flowering. So I need to know if it is something I should worry about, or what actions to try. I dont try to do anything too drastic because I don't want to shock the plant from what she has had, and I try to let nature do her best because she knows better than me. Any help is greatly appreciated. oh...it only seems to be fan leaves that this happens to.

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StrangerDanger

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just doing some reading, it seems that the food I have been using is high in nitrogen and has no phosphorus..which i guess isnt good during flowering..so I went to the store and got some new food. Its a liquid with the number 0-10-10. I am going to try it on one of the plants first to see if it helps. I wanted to do everything organic, but none of the food at my store had what I was looking for in an organic version...Oh well I guess...ill just have to make sure that I do a good flush. Im not that much of a hippie anyways, with all the fucked up shit in the food I eat I think Ill be ok.
 

espoker19

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Do not feed them molasses with every water. With soil culture, the beneficial bacteria live a lot longer and utilize the plants food also. Only use molasses once or twice during the final stages for flush/ aroma. Also, don't feed every time. From what I understand miracle grow is hot soil so go light on the feedings. You should be feeding about 6.4 pH and try only feeding every other watering. Your lower leaves are showing severe necrotic spots, and you plants have burnt tips throughout. Try a really good flush (like 3 X container volume) with nothing but pain water ph adjusted, with a little epsom salts. Looks like you have a Mg deficiency or lockout. Give the plant a few days after the flush before doing anything else. Small changes, then wait and see. You need more light too. 2 100 watt HPS on stretched plant like that isn't going to give you much weight. Try adding a few 42 watt warm CFLs.
 

RollupRick

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I'll throw phosphorous into the debate (again). In flowering, the plant uses less nitrogen and more phosphorous, its possible you have a phosphorous deficiency if you haven't taken measures on that already.
 

StrangerDanger

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I would think yes a phosphorus deficiency, as the current food I have doesnt contain any. And I dont have the complete specifications on the soil at this time...but I know the non-organic bag of miracle grow said it feeds plants for up to six months...but the organic miracle grow that I used said feeds plants for up to two months...well it has been two months now, and I have only fed them the organic food once or twice, and never multiple waterings in a row, probably only twice in the last month was all. As for my lights specifically what I have is two 100watt hps, sixteen 13watt cfls, one 150watt cfl, and one 75watt cfl. and a 2 t8's....I know its pretty make-shift, but it was just a low budget test to see if it is worth putting money into on a next time scenario if you know what I mean. And it probably is, cause I'm kinda hooked.

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RollupRick

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One thing to consider would be getting a big bottle (ie 2l coke bottle), half filling it with fresh/new nutrient rich soil, then filling the rest of it up with warm water. Stick the lid on, shake that puppy, shake your ass too, no reason not to seize the opportunity to be sexy etc, works even better if you have a moustache.

The goal is to make a nutrient tea, so that many nutrients are released from the soil into the water. Most of these composts tend to have little balls in them - they're designed to slowly break down and release nutrients over time. In warm water, they dissolve into the water too. I sometimes pop in a generic multivitamin pill (look at the labels for more minerals etc) to dissolve in the tea solution too, although thats purely optional on your part, purely to blanket cover any immediate deficiency by supplying trace amounts that are water soluble of multiple etc. Ideally leaving overnight, then instead of watering the plant with fresh water, use the nutrient tea (soil and all, as it has very little volume when shaken up) instead. It would also be an excellent opportunity to put in some phosphorous (gently).
 

jeffro

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I started using just Miracle Gro nutrients & soil a few years back when I started and didn't have much luck. I now use cana coco which is a great soiless medium. I also use their nutrients and am having much better luck. I would definitly get more light on them. Use the formula of 1sq ft for every 50 watts of light. Example: 400 watts = 8 sq ft (400/50=. 8 sq ft is2.8'x2.8', so you probably need more light and I would try better nutes & soil.
 

StrangerDanger

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Fuck man, I feel like I have a lot of light on them...I know its a cheap set up, but wattage wise, its got quite a bit....If it works at least fairly well I did intend on upgrading to an actual grow H.I.D....I just wanted a little practice first, even in veg with the cfls It worked well and they didnt stretch much or anything. They obviously stretched during flower so far like the common two to three times the size of their veg size. Even if it were light it wouldnt neccessarily make them have those spots would it? I feel like those spots have to be from nutrient plus or minus
 

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StrangerDanger

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And shouldnt the area of the grow space be measured in cubic feet? if we are talking square feet of the grow room floor I am working with 12 feet. its about 4 feet wide, by 3feet deep...which 12 times 50watts would be 600watts, which if I add my wattage up using the hps, and the actual wattage of the cfls not the equivalent wattage I come up with 533, and thats not even including the t-12's which are bunk I know, but thats still pretty close to the needed wattage for that formula...now if we went on cubic feet its more like 78cubic ft which by that formula just seems impossible...anyways Its good to know that formula for when I upgrade to a better light anyways.
 

StrangerDanger

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Heres a question that came to mind....I am a noob, so all the talk about mold and mildew started to scare me...so basically as soon as my pistils or flowers began showing I stopped misting my plants. Would that have anything at all to do with whats happening? I mean, they get watered on a good schedule, but it is normal for plants in the wild to get rained on or at least that morning dew...my girls have not had any water on their foliage for weeks....So what is the proper etiquette for misting leaves during flowering?
 
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