How many lollipops do you think I can grow in my little Aero Tub??

LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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Ok guys...and the few girls out there like me =)

Right now my bf and I are growing some Hindu Kush in soil in a cabinet and we just built this Aero Tub for after they are done flowering. We decided to switch to Aero after doing a lot of reading...mainly FilthyFletch's posts...

Since we are basically doing what you guys seem to call a "micro grow" (personal stash only), this lollipopping sea of green seems like a really good way for us to grow.

Originally I was thinking that we could do 4 plants in this tub but now I am thinking we can go all the way up to 6 if we lollipop them. Can you boys tell me what you think? I could live with 4 :-? but if 6 is possible i would really like 6 :mrgreen:. The more the merrier!!!

Oh wait, you might want some info! haha. Ok the tub is 28 gallons...there will definitley be more mister nozzles added for more plants...and the pump is 500 gallons per hour. K thanks!

So check out the pictures and let me know what you think!! Pictures are below.


Happy growing!

LollipopkA
 
thatboygood

thatboygood

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LollipopKA said:
Ok guys...and the few girls out there like me =)

Right now my bf and I are growing some Hindu Kush in soil in a cabinet and we just built this Aero Tub for after they are done flowering. We decided to switch to Aero after doing a lot of reading...mainly FilthyFletch's posts...

Since we are basically doing what you guys seem to call a "micro grow" (personal stash only), this lollipopping sea of green seems like a really good way for us to grow.

Originally I was thinking that we could do 4 plants in this tub but now I am thinking we can go all the way up to 6 if we lollipop them. Can you boys tell me what you think? I could live with 4 :-? but if 6 is possible i would really like 6 :mrgreen:. The more the merrier!!!

Oh wait, you might want some info! haha. Ok the tub is 28 gallons...there will definitley be more mister nozzles added for more plants...and the pump is 500 gallons per hour. K thanks!

So check out the pictures and let me know what you think!! Pictures are below.


Happy growing!

LollipopkA
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Welcome to RIU! I would think that you could do 6 in there if you kept them relatively short, aka SOG type like you mentioned. Will you be using clones? If you are going with a SOG style, you will want to use clones for best results (since they would be all around the same height.) You can do it with seeds, it's just a bit harder.
I'm sure others on here will have lots more info for you. Good luck!
Oh one more thing! you should consider SCROG style if you have limited space. I'm doing that now with soil and it's going nice. Check it out: https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/73093-first-attempt-scrog-late-start.html

also, what lights are you using?
 
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LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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Thanks for the quick reply and warm welcome! I just ran down to the hardware store to pick up some more goodies for the tub :mrgreen:

I decided to remake the water sprayer in the shape of an square instead of the H since we will be housing more plants.

And now some answers to your questions....

The light is a 400w HPS with an Agro Max bulb (30% more blue spectrum)
The plants we will be growing in the Aero tub are going to be clones from our finest Hindu Kush soil mommy. The Hindu Kush just started flowering a few days ago so within the next 7 - 10 days I think we will be ready to cut some clones.

I included some pictures of our cabinet too so you can get an idea of what we are working with..

More opinions are welcome!!! 4 or 6 little lollipops!?

LollipopkA

Ok can't really find good pics of the cab. So the first is how the cab looks now (with fans and cool tube) and the second pic is an old one just so you can get an idea of how tall and big it is. K thanks!
 

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nitrobud said:
I'm always been under the assumption you are to cut clones during vegging, not during flowering.
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Dead right. Cuttings taken from plants in flower take a long time to set root and once they do, if you want to use them as mother plants, they'll have to be re-vegged and cut back a few times until they are growing in full veg habit.

Until they fully change to veg, they will throw out some odd shaped leaves (ie long stemmed, single bladed fan leaves) as well as pop out some clusters of large seed bracts at the nodes.

You can surely get away with 4 plants per square foot in your grow. You might also consider using an air pump and a bubble curtain to make your aero mist instead of sprayers which have water pumped through them. Sprayers tend to clog. Bubble curtains don't- and they make a much finer mist as bubbles break the surface of the water.
 
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LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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Thanks for your help guys!!

The clones will be taken in about 10 days, which still leaves about 6 weeks for me to get them into veg state, grow them out, and take cuttings from them to get ready for the next cycle. Do you think 6 weeks is enough time for all that?

Also, what exactly is this bubble curtain you speak of =) I haven't heard anything about this.

We also just made a new sprayer contraption and will be putting all "mister" nozzles in it. Here is a picture of both. Let me know if you think this will be enough mist!


LollipOpkA
 

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massbaster

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i think you and i are on same track. i using similar container and plan on putting in 16 1 inch holes with 1 inch netpots and rockwool.

the AG pods are one inch and can handle a full size plant ok so a lollipop should be fine for the time it is in veg/bud.

i would say you do the same. try either 12 or 16 pod spaces and add 3 or 4 clones to flower every two weeks. after 8 weeks you take the first 3 or 4 out and have space for the next 3 or 4
 

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bongjockey

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LollipopKA said:
The clones will be taken in about 10 days, which still leaves about 6 weeks for me to get them into veg state, grow them out, and take cuttings from them to get ready for the next cycle. Do you think 6 weeks is enough time for all that?
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6 weeks is about the minimum amount of time to fully reveg, presuming use of HID lighting for rapid growth. If you're using fluoros, it'll be longer.

Also, what exactly is this bubble curtain you speak of =) I haven't heard anything about this.
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Bubble curtains are just long air stones, usually made from a flexible tube of some sort of foamy plastic. Look here.

We also just made a new sprayer contraption and will be putting all "mister" nozzles in it. Here is a picture of both. Let me know if you think this will be enough mist!
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There will be plenty of mist- until the sprayers clog with nutrient salts. Check often.
 
LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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massbaster said:
i think you and i are on same track. i using similar container and plan on putting in 16 1 inch holes with 1 inch netpots and rockwool.

the AG pods are one inch and can handle a full size plant ok so a lollipop should be fine for the time it is in veg/bud.

i would say you do the same. try either 12 or 16 pod spaces and add 3 or 4 clones to flower every two weeks. after 8 weeks you take the first 3 or 4 out and have space for the next 3 or 4
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That's good thinking thanks! It might be a good idea to figure out some sort of rotation so I don't have to always wait 8 weeks for a crop...I will just need to set up some type of veg area so I can move the plants into the flower area when they are ready...i was planning to do this anyways for a perpetual harvest. Im assuming that if I only vegged a plant in an aero tub for 10-12 days then the roots would not be too long or tangled to move them to another aero tub right? Ohhh but wait...I can't really do that eh? Because the ppm for the more mature plants needs to be higher so they can't all be in the same tub :cry: dammit all these little things to worry about.

bongjockey said:
6 weeks is about the minimum amount of time to fully reveg, presuming use of HID lighting for rapid growth. If you're using fluoros, it'll be longer.



Bubble curtains are just long air stones, usually made from a flexible tube of some sort of foamy plastic. Look here.



There will be plenty of mist- until the sprayers clog with nutrient salts. Check often.
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6 weeks for full reveg :confused::confused: no bueno! I don't see us setting up another HID just for moms and clones...we were hoping to get away with just flouros for veg and keep the HPS in the cab and use it only for flowering.

Bubble curtains seem interesting...i will have to do more reading on this. Thanks for the linkage!

And for the nozzles...how long are we talking until a clog...like...weeks? or days. Because if its weeks, we can just keep buying new nozzles and replace or clean them as they sketch out on us.

Also...as far as lollipopping goes. Is it unreasonable to assume we can pull one ounce from each of 6 Hindu Kush lollipops in an aero tub, under 400w HPS??? That would put us at 0.42 grams/watt which sounds doable. The hindu kush plants I mentioned that we have in flower right now are our very first, so we are very much noobies.


Thanks for all the help boys. Time to go burn down:blsmoke:

LolLiPOPkA
 
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bongjockey

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Of course you can veg with fluoros but they don't grow as fast.

Hard to say how long it will take for clogs to happen. Just check often. Keep spare nozzles. I've tried to clean them with a pin and have stuffed them up.

6oz off 6 SOG plants with a 400 is do-able but probably not on the first try. It may take a while for you to sort out a new op to get the temps to stay right and all. I was getting about 1/2oz per SOG plant when I started.
 
LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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bongjockey said:
Of course you can veg with fluoros but they don't grow as fast.

Hard to say how long it will take for clogs to happen. Just check often. Keep spare nozzles. I've tried to clean them with a pin and have stuffed them up.

6oz off 6 SOG plants with a 400 is do-able but probably not on the first try. It may take a while for you to sort out a new op to get the temps to stay right and all. I was getting about 1/2oz per SOG plant when I started.
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Sounds good, we will keep an extra baggie of mister nozzles around for safe keepings :mrgreen:

And as for the temps....yeah those can be a bastard. For the first week or so of our grow we were battling 100 degrees daytime and 85 nighttime. After much handy work and modifications we now have an ac vent going into the closet, a cool tube on the light, and proper exhaust venting right back into our ac intake zone. Temps are now 71 with lights off and hit a max of 81 with lights on, with a 400w hps in a cabinet :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen: we are soooo happy...and I know the plants are too.


Thanks again for your continued help! You guys effin rock.

LolliPoPkA
 
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LollipopKA said:
That's good thinking thanks! It might be a good idea to figure out some sort of rotation so I don't have to always wait 8 weeks for a crop...I will just need to set up some type of veg area so I can move the plants into the flower area when they are ready...i was planning to do this anyways for a perpetual harvest. Im assuming that if I only vegged a plant in an aero tub for 10-12 days then the roots would not be too long or tangled to move them to another aero tub right? Ohhh but wait...I can't really do that eh? Because the ppm for the more mature plants needs to be higher so they can't all be in the same tub :cry: dammit all these little things to worry about.




i plan on doing this. move the 2 mothers over to floro grow spot.(small)
keep mothers and clones on medium nutes for veg only. cut clone and place next to mother in AG. in 0-2 weeks look for root growth. when growing roots move to flower area and start to increase to bloom nutes.

dont think the mothers need to be "nuted" that high, and the clone you cut from the mother is already taking in whatever nutes you were using to feed the mothers. dont see it being an issue

if you have not checked out "get a harvest every to weeks" post then go read it. it is where i get all my ideas.

good luck
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If you use a pump filter bag you won't have as many problems with your misters clogging. It also keeps the roots from being sucked up the pump.

You can run more misters than you currently have with a 500GPH pump.

I have run 7 plants in the same size tub. Start with a hole in the middle and make a circle of 6 around the center.

Buy two small/short Rubbermaid Roughneck containers. Stack them and run the same setup you are using now. Put a hole in the center to run the pipe from the bottom reservoir and allow water to drain from the top container to the bottom. Now your are growing the roots in air vs. water. Aeroponics is better than DWC (deep water culture). I run a DWC for my clones (just like yours) for three weeks. Then it's off to the dual containers for 3 weeks veg. After that it's on to the flower room for 9 weeks. I harvest every 3 weeks with this cycle.

6oz. should be no problem with the right strain. It's all about genetics!!!!!
 

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bongjockey

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LollipopKA said:
That's good thinking thanks! It might be a good idea to figure out some sort of rotation so I don't have to always wait 8 weeks for a crop...
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you will always be waiting 8 weeks for a crop. That's just how long they take to flower. Just run 4 small crops that are 1/4 the flowering room capacity at 2 week intervals. That's the Al B Fuct 'Get a harvest every 2 weeks' method.

I will just need to set up some type of veg area so I can move the plants into the flower area when they are ready...i was planning to do this anyways for a perpetual harvest. Im assuming that if I only vegged a plant in an aero tub for 10-12 days then the roots would not be too long or tangled to move them to another aero tub right? Ohhh but wait...I can't really do that eh? Because the ppm for the more mature plants needs to be higher so they can't all be in the same tub :cry: dammit all these little things to worry about.
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no veg time required, just chuck them in to flower right after they set root. You need a small veg area to grow mums, a clonebox and use the rest of your space for flowering. Al B runs all his tanks at 1400, ph 5.8. I keep tellin him to hit em harder in weeks 6-8 (1800) but he's a big sook and won't try. :D
 
LollipopKA

LollipopKA

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StinkBud said:
If you use a pump filter bag you won't have as many problems with your misters clogging. It also keeps the roots from being sucked up the pump.

You can run more misters than you currently have with a 500GPH pump.

I have run 7 plants in the same size tub. Start with a hole in the middle and make a circle of 6 around the center.

Buy two small/short Rubbermaid Roughneck containers. Stack them and run the same setup you are using now. Put a hole in the center to run the pipe from the bottom reservoir and allow water to drain from the top container to the bottom. Now your are growing the roots in air vs. water. Aeroponics is better than DWC (deep water culture). I run a DWC for my clones (just like yours) for three weeks. Then it's off to the dual containers for 3 weeks veg. After that it's on to the flower room for 9 weeks. I harvest every 3 weeks with this cycle.

6oz. should be no problem with the right strain. It's all about genetics!!!!!
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I ended up putting 6 320 degree misters and 2 360 degree misters, should do the trick

I heard about those bags for the pumps, i will DEFINITLEY have to grab one of those.

I actually saw your posts in a thread about stacking the containers and what nots but I actually do not have that kind of room right now :cry:. One day though I will build an aero setup like FilthyFletch :mrgreen:

bongjockey said:
bung that 400 in a cooltube and you will be able to pin it on 25C 24/7.
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I actually do have it in a cool tube, that's how I finally got those damned temps to behave and treat my planties right!

bongjockey said:
you will always be waiting 8 weeks for a crop. That's just how long they take to flower. Just run 4 small crops that are 1/4 the flowering room capacity at 2 week intervals. That's the Al B Fuct 'Get a harvest every 2 weeks' method.



no veg time required, just chuck them in to flower right after they set root. You need a small veg area to grow mums, a clonebox and use the rest of your space for flowering. Al B runs all his tanks at 1400, ph 5.8. I keep tellin him to hit em harder in weeks 6-8 (1800) but he's a big sook and won't try. :D
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Unfortuanley my flowering area is just my cabinet so I will only be able to flower one crop at a time...but as long as i get my yields to say.... at least half a gram a watt I should be fiiiine. Its only for personal use anyways.

Yeah no veg time! That is why I am so excited about this Aero Tub....well I guess it is kind of more of an...Aero DWC Tub??? Oh well It should work fantastically.

The lights are coming on at 8:00pm tonight in the cabinet, I will be back then to post some pictures of my current ladies. Till then...happy growing!

LollipoPKA
 
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bongjockey

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LollipopKA said:
I actually do have it in a cool tube, that's how I finally got those damned temps to behave and treat my planties right!
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wow, and your temps are still wandering from 71F to 81F? Don't seem right.
What is the intake and exhaust temps for your cooltube? Where's the air going when it leaves the cooltube? Do you have separate blowers for the cooltube and the room air exhaust?

I'm minding Al B's op while he is away. His op has a closed air circuit for the cooltubes and a separate exhaust blower. Most of the heat is taken out by the cooltubes. If the ambient air available to draw into the cooltube circuit and into the room is below 23C, the room will stay at the main exhaust blower's thermostat setpoint of 25C +/- 1C.

Unfortuanley my flowering area is just my cabinet so I will only be able to flower one crop at a time...
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Make each of your crops 1/4 the max capacity of the cabinet. If your cabinet holds 8, each crop for you is 2 plants. Put in 2 plants every 2 weeks, take out 2 every 2 weeks. Takes 8 weeks to load the pipeline, but you get 2 plants out every 2 weeks thereafter.

Aero DWC Tub??? Oh well It should work fantastically.
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If you have roots in water, just make sure your air supply never quits.
 
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