thanx other,yea your right i get to impatient when it comes to growing,its my first time in dwc and i think fear of the unknown is a big part of it,i did dip em in micro brew ff bush doctor and it really straighten em out,i was just reading about mycorrhize and what it does,i dont know if you have ever tried it but,it forms a slimy film covering your root system,it looks diabolical but is actually what saves the root system,i was worried about the slime so i took a couple of clones out and dipped them in h2o2 and the roots that were inside where just beutiful the plants though they are small in stature are growing,i have 2 clone bubblers with 12 in each and 6 in aero garden the aero is amazing at puttin out roots anyway thanx again for the advice