Incidence of intersex traits in F1s of fems to regs? Do further filial generations get better?

Budderton

Budderton

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I've done lots of chucks with reg Male pollen onto fems with mixed results. I felt that once you get the male chromosome back in there, your F1s are just like any other reg genome.
I heard on a recent podcast a breeder talking about seeing higher then average intersex traits after the reintroduction of the male chromosome into a feminzed genotype in the F1 but getting more normal in the further filial generations.
I've got some good ones that I've worked and were fine but anytime I got herms in this type of F1, I'd put it on the female pollen donor not being tested hard enough before reversal and I wouldn't pursue .

Now I'm wondering if I was too quick to assume .
What are your experiences putting reg pollen on fems in the F1s?
Has anyone worked past intersex traits in this type of F1 and seen improvement in future generations?
Thanks and I appreciate your input
 
BobThe420Builder

BobThe420Builder

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I've made a ton of crosses, grown out a few of allmist every one, cept some this year

Never a hermy from genetics yet

I'd venture, as u thought , was from fem genetics that was untested more than reintroduction of male genes
 
xtsho

xtsho

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I've never experienced that. I don't listen to podcasts or watch cannabis youtube videos. Too many people just saying stuff without any science to back up what they're saying. And using the term "breeder" is subjective. Many of these so called breeders have no education in plant science and genetics. Chucking pollen does not make you a breeder. If that was the case then you could call me a breeder. But I don't consider myself to be.

I have well over 30 crosses I've made and have not had any plants show as hermaphrodites from anything I've grown out. Many of those crosses are from feminized plants pollinated with regular male pollen. I haven't come close to growing all of them out but the ones I have never developed into plants that were anything other than male or female.

I'd take what you hear with a grain of salt unless it's coming from someone with a formal education in plant science and genetics.
 
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waterproof808

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I don't see why that would be the case unless either of the parents had stability issues to begin with. Males can have intersex traits too.
 
Budderton

Budderton

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waterproof808 said:
I don't see why that would be the case unless either of the parents had stability issues to begin with. Males can have intersex traits too.
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Yes, for sure. And I also consider this fact.
I won't chuck with males who's sisters show intersex but that still doesn't ensure the males are stable.
 
Budderton

Budderton

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xtsho said:
I've never experienced that. I don't listen to podcasts or watch cannabis youtube videos. Too many people just saying stuff without any science to back up what they're saying. And using the term "breeder" is subjective. Many of these so called breeders have no education in plant science and genetics. Chucking pollen does not make you a breeder. If that was the case then you could call me a breeder. But I don't consider myself to be.

I have well over 30 crosses I've made and have not had any plants show as hermaphrodites from anything I've grown out. Many of those crosses are from feminized plants pollinated with regular male pollen. I haven't come close to growing all of them out but the ones I have never developed into plants that were anything other than male or female.

I'd take what you hear with a grain of salt unless it's coming from someone with a formal education in plant science and genetics.
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For sure. I don't follow many pod casts but this was the Adam Dunn Show, and I give that guy a lot of credit.
For me the difference between chuckin and breeding is your chuckin when you put other peoples work together to find cool stuff. Your breeding when you take that cool stuff and run out the filial generations until you've locked in the traits of said cool stuff.
Take two of these cool new things you've ran out and introduce them to each other and your really cooking.
Just one old stoners perspective.
 
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