LUSH LED LIGHTING.....and another one

Scotch089

Scotch089

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Chaz thats a very generous offer, though Im not sure Lush will come out and reply after they hear my standpoint on some things.. I would be very surprised.

Induction is something I have been hot and cold about for a while... have plenty of space, but still many questions come to my mind.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Scotch089 said:
Chaz thats a very generous offer, though Im not sure Lush will come out and reply after they hear my standpoint on some things.. I would be very surprised.

Induction is something I have been hot and cold about for a while... have plenty of space, but still many questions come to my mind.
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I was on the fence about induction too. Lower par numbers than a51's 155w panel. But induction has a more even spectrum. White led's have more wasted light than induction. So I'm seeing that having a more even spectrum is more important than high par numbers. With induction par numbers are close to even through out the whole canopy.
plants are doing very well under it. I'm seeing same size buds as i did under the 1000w hps with my cbk. Not so much with the NL x og but there are other factors... I like the IG's though. Soon I will do a comparison with IG and A51 after i get a couple more panels. I expect similar results for same watts.

I will hit up Lush at when I go to the L.A. CUP. See if they will throw you a light. Who ever else is going lets gang up on them lol.
 
Scotch089

Scotch089

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That was a big on too, EFDL looks to much like Fluro for me to have too much faith in heavy ppfd. but, it is an entire other technology- which comes with different variables, different "rules."

The spread i am sure must kick ass, but intensity? How well does core saturation spread inside the fixtures footprint? how far outside with decent saturation? What would you consider ideal distance to an IG420 from canopy? I have seen this come up lately..

Actually, pm me if you guys want, I don't want to take away from the opportunity for Kushington to nut up and reply.

I agree with a more even distribution... but in the sense that spectral mixing occurs WELL before contact with your canopy being the big game changer. After running my AT closer to 28-36", I am thinking 18" is the bare minimum for mixing multi color led's- which is where your IG's spec trumps all (one color, no "special" mixing) sure you'll want it to mix a bit anyways... but not as much with WR's...

Yes, I am still a believer in WR combo, till I die, but I could see IG having a place in my space..

EDIT: VVVV It doesnt matter how many watts you pack in it- they are not going to do shit with a shit spectrum.

EDIT EDIT: Example of shit spectrum on prev. page (pie chart)
 
Mr. Outdoors

Mr. Outdoors

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IMG_0597.jpgJust my quick .02. I started with induction. Then I went to a 1000w HPS on a mover. After a couple runs I added the inductions on the side at an angle with the hps running through the middle. What a difference. Still running using both. I think the different spectrum make all the difference.
 
The Dawg

The Dawg

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Scotch089 said:
That was a big on too, EFDL looks to much like Fluro for me to have too much faith in heavy ppfd. but, it is an entire other technology- which comes with different variables, different "rules."

The spread i am sure must kick ass, but intensity? How well does core saturation spread inside the fixtures footprint? how far outside with decent saturation? What would you consider ideal distance to an IG420 from canopy? I have seen this come up lately..

Actually, pm me if you guys want, I don't want to take away from the opportunity for Kushington to nut up and reply.

I agree with a more even distribution... but in the sense that spectral mixing occurs WELL before contact with your canopy being the big game changer. After running my AT closer to 28-36", I am thinking 18" is the bare minimum for mixing multi color led's- which is where your IG's spec trumps all (one color, no "special" mixing) sure you'll want it to mix a bit anyways... but not as much with WR's...

Yes, I am still a believer in WR combo, till I die, but I could see IG having a place in my space..

EDIT: VVVV It doesnt matter how many watts you pack in it- they are not going to do shit with a shit spectrum.

EDIT EDIT: Example of shit spectrum on prev. page (pie chart)
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EDIT EDIT EDIT:I Love Pie :bigjoint:
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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Chaz thats a very generous offer, though Im not sure Lush will come out and reply after they hear my standpoint on some things.. I would be very surprised.

Induction is something I have been hot and cold about for a while... have plenty of space, but still many questions come to my mind.
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We'll see how they respond. You're probably right that after they hear your 'standpoint on some things' or they consider what my offer of a side by side would likely do to their currently unsubstantiated claims there will be less Lush to go around leaving the 'lions' to await their next prey.
 
Thecouchlock

Thecouchlock

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They won't respond because they are the same tools that roll with swerve swervin, they blow more than hillary clinton on a good night.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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I have a blackstar 2.0 240w LED its Chinese made but wow the quality is awesome and the plants freakin love this thing.
 
Scotch089

Scotch089

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Guess who emailed me back..

...We have the grand slam, increasing density, aroma, taste and potency. Raising income while reducing cost. This is going to revolutionize our entire industry...

...We are paving the way for the future! Big business don't like our products that last for decade and consume less power. We are the underdogs...
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............is that why?

...This light will cover up to a 4x4 with a intense center 3x3. Both will have no problem pulling 5oz plants and achieving closer to 20oz per 4x4...
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:wall:
 
hyroot

hyroot

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I'm not stoned and its hysterical.. But I saved a bunch of money by not buying a piece of crap light


Scotch are they throwing you a light or just the b.s.?
 
Scotch089

Scotch089

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puffenuff said:
Wow what a bullshit response you got back...what did you ask again in your email to them?
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Literally not a single point of technical information regarding their panels, granted I havent gotten down to the nitty gritty.. Im not sure hearing the off-brand bullshit they'll make up are going to make me any more happy to run em.. big thing im worried about... is being able to return it in 90 days (since the price cut is out of the question), or at least getting a better deal on a light that will collect dust.

I do not see ANY way they are able to pack that much blue into that spectrum and come out with anything happy.. (according to the chart..)

Im not gonna post the conversation but will "quote" what I can in the blue, the "[]" may be notes,


Chronikool said:
Remember 'G2growled' we made them go away...maybe we can do the same for Lush...after we have had our fun 1st of course.... :) https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/486179-led-companies-w-links-140.html
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O man, and don't forget the Perro Nigro x EH joust session for 10 pages... literally. ha. Sure theyre all still around at some point or another... this is THE LED sub forum.


This shit just makes me shake my head and laugh P... when I say no mention of facts or data, technical information, or suggestions... I mean, strictly talking up the panel, talking about what they can do to help the reviews- of course, so it turns out in their favor... but I approached them politely, kindve played naive about their company, but knew LEDs.


hyroot said:
I'm not stoned and its hysterical.. But I saved a bunch of money by not buying a piece of crap light


Scotch are they throwing you a light or just the b.s.?
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You, my man- made a kick ass decision coming back like you had, not too mention the monthly savings.. They offered the "discount(s)," but no free panel so far.

To:
...This has been a tiresome struggle but nevertheless; it is a blast. Seems that many people do not have faith in your lights, myself being someone that has not heard a whole lot of your company before now... am curious what you have to offer.

The simple fact of reputability and advertising goes a long way, but I am interested in the numbers, the results of the product.

I was inquiring of your panels because I had stumbled upon a thread that almost immediately turned into a dispute over "which were best..," I would like to set things straight once and for all.

I have ran close to as many varieties and styles of LEDs out there.. including:

-Hydroponics Hut (x4)
-GrowLEDHydro (x2)
-UFO (universal brands..) (x2)
-Area 51 (x3)
-Apache Tech (x1)

The few I have not tried are International Companies that I am not quite ready to pay the taxation for.. (bonsaihero, Astir, Vipar...)

I am proposing a "grow off," between any of these panels (except the GLH's) I have genetics that are in a DWC system- hopes for 6-10 dried Oz. of biomass from four individuals under a single light source. My methods involve a Screen of Green, Low Stress Training, Cytokinins/Kelp, keeping feedings light, and intense levels of DO.. and next to be CO2.

I am confident in the Dominator Panel you have, being ~3' long, it should have no problem filling my 3x3' test area. If you feel it could go to a 4x4', I can have the area for that as well.

I thought I would leave it up to you, which panel you would prefer to have "due battle," the ~200w, or the ~450w. I do have panels of similar technical specifications of both. You know how your panels perform best and I am not trying to bury anyone here.. [not true.. but whatever happens happens. I am not making assumption on their panels productivity, but I am already leading with my "right" foot..]

Please get in contact with me in your convenience, though I am interested in what you have to offer for such a compromise, currently I do not have the "change" to toss down $1000, but if things work out maybe down the road...

Thank you for your time...
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From, 2 days later:
...I'm sure you have seen this technology evolve and get better over the years. The time has now come for LED to de-throne HID once and for all. We have the grand slam, increasing density, aroma, taste and potency. Raising income while reducing cost. This is going to revolutionize our entire industry. We do have a sponsor discount to help with the upfront cost of our Dominator. Normally it's $1119.20 retail or direct, since you agree to put time forth toward showing off our units in threads or social media, we offer $*** off.

I really like that you have stuck with LED and tried so many types. If you are willing to write a product review of the ups and downs of what you have learned over the year, we will post it. You might find media outlets reach out to you for quoting your statements in other featured articles on LED. [uhm...like what??] We are paving the way for the future! Big business don't like our products that last for decade and consume less power. We are the underdogs. I will take another $*** [get ready for this one...ha...] off for this review if you like. If you desire, my wife can proof read it too. This is an exclusive offer just for you to help out and drops below wholesale. $***.** + $**.** shipping = $***.** delivered. This light will cover up to a 4x4 with a intense center 3x3. Both will have no problem pulling 5oz plants and achieving closer to 20oz per 4x4. This light really does compete with HPS. We then build one to spank it! [spank what...?]

Let me know if this works for you. It's the best we can do.

Thanks...
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annnnd my message waiting a reply... I really kind of gave an opportunity here..

To:
Thank you for the timely response, ****. Honestly I will have to postpone the event if that is the case. I completely understand Wholesale Margins, and sympathize, but right now I cannot make that kind of move.. My card has been compromised and am in a muddle of moving things around.. I am also in contact with a couple others seeing if they want in on the event, but again, this is more or less for advertising, and the experience.

I am curious of the opportunity to return the panel after the "Grow Off," I have all of my personal environments solidified, and I have this set up that I would be sacrificing only one area of my last half of environments. (Using a current 3x3, and adding the 4x4) I will be needing to invest in a new ventilation system for this event as well..*

I would have no qualms writing up a report of the panel and my experience, again I have models to match either of the "flowering" panels. Some details of what the event would consist of:

-x2 environments, x1/light

-identical, dialed-in Vegetation

-PPFD readings from an Apogee Quantum Meter

-I do have excel sheets of my floor space's for charting coverage at respective heights, I could edit and extend this to you for your panel. (PPFD #'s from flux meter, using the 2x2" scrog squares as point of measurement)

-Higher Quality Pictures, couldn't tell you the exact resolution, but media for the site is always helpful,

-This would also be a "live" thread to the public to advertise, and set things straight in this market.*

Possibly we could work something out for the grow- *a deposit, and mutual return, or maybe we can work an actual purchase out.. I apologize, I just cannot stretch myself too thin at this point. I returned the glh's after my run with them so they are not on the table for the comparison, but I am in touch with Kind, Area 51, and Blackstar, etc. all about the same concept.. Though I do not want this event to get too out of hand, I am sure this will be narrowed down.*

Let me know what you think, again, thank you for your time...
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Sorry E, just a thought.. I dont want to pay a whole lot for one, but an opportunity to get some readings off a IG, and an excuse to get some upgrades never hurts ;) Naw, I doubt this is going to go anywhere, fast.
 
sold777

sold777

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Hi thank you for this, I hope that you get to do this test and put it to bed.
i have the 180 pro source ufo and love it,I have had a look at lush led but found one or two bad revues on the LEDs.
i did pop a email over to lush asking them to look at the revues and put there view over,but had no reply from them.
i have had a look at this led http://www.grownorthern.co.uk and have had a conv with the oner about his led the, he was very nice and was prepared to give me all the info he could about there LEDs.
i still have some reservation about there LEDs.
this is a link to a led forum on LEDs and there is a lot of info on LEDs there it may have some interest to you or not https, www.autoflower.net.
regards sold777
 
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