Making feminized seeds from a clone?

themda

themda

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Goal - to keep a clone only strain in seed form

Anybody have any experience with gathering pollen/self pollinating a clone? I've read in a few places that using CS to stress out a female SEED plant, but nothing about stressing out a female clone - would gathering that pollen be of no good when trying to make feminized seeds? Would self pollination of that clone create unstable genetics?

Its going to be my first time around using CS to stress plants into producing balls, would like input from people.
 
CS works just fine. I use STS. Silver Thiosulfate. A clone or plant started from seed doesn't make any difference.


2 clones

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Recipient clone no STS

521sts2.jpg


Donor clone reversed with STS

521sts3.jpg


I'll be collecting pollen in a few days and pollinating the recipient clone. Fem seeds in 6 - 8 weeks.
 
Ive had a dabble myself, also use STS its less work and was easier to make knowing the concentration rather than pissing about making CS and lasering it .

This thread is pure gold , should be a STS tutorial on this page I think

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xtsho said:
CS works just fine. I use STS. Silver Thiosulfate. A clone or plant started from seed doesn't make any difference.


2 clones

521sts1.jpg


Recipient clone no STS

521sts2.jpg


Donor clone reversed with STS

521sts3.jpg


I'll be collecting pollen in a few days and pollinating the recipient clone. Fem seeds in 6 - 8 weeks.
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Gotcha, so you have two of the same clone, you forced one into making pollen, and will use that pollen on your other clone that had no stress. Same genetics I assume?

I am just curious if using the pollen from the same strain of clone, and pollinating the other clone, will that end up making less stable traits?
 
Just spend the >$20 and buy a bottle of feminizing spray off of amazon.

Less time you spend making silver solutions, the more time you can spend with the plants.

Not sure how much it costs to brew some silver up.. but can't imagine it's less than $10.

Especially when my time is worth a MINIMUM of $20 an hour.
 
themda said:
Gotcha, so you have two of the same clone, you forced one into making pollen, and will use that pollen on your other clone that had no stress. Same genetics I assume?

I am just curious if using the pollen from the same strain of clone, and pollinating the other clone, will that end up making less stable traits?
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No less than if they were F1.

Actually it's much more stable IMO except a lot of possibility is eliminated with the male dna. The male had traits, ya know?

But you should increase not only the rate of female seeds, but you will have made the seeds more likely to be just like the plant you chose.
 
KingQuazy said:
Just spend the >$20 and buy a bottle of feminizing spray off of amazon.

Less time you spend making silver solutions, the more time you can spend with the plants.

Not sure how much it costs to brew some silver up.. but can't imagine it's less than $10.

Especially when my time is worth a MINIMUM of $20 an hour.
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It take 5 minutes to mix silver thiosulfate from silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. It costs less than $50 to buy enough of the chemicals to reverse well over 100 plants. It's cost effective to just mix it yourself. But I do it frequently. If it's just a one shot thing then I suppose just buying a premade product might be practical. But I still think buying the chemicals for a little more than the cost of a one use bottle is still preferable.
 
xtsho said:
It take 5 minutes to mix silver thiosulfate from silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. It costs less than $50 to buy enough of the chemicals to reverse well over 100 plants. It's cost effective to just mix it yourself. But I do it frequently. If it's just a one shot thing then I suppose just buying a premade product might be practical. But I still think buying the chemicals for a little more than the cost of a one use bottle is still preferable.
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ahh I see. I never looked into that. All I've seen is people buying silver and liquidizing it with 9 volt batteries lol Too much of a hastle imo. Def not against a mix and spray concoction. I'll have to look into it!
 
Reason I didn't go with pre made CS is there are lots on the market that are not the concentration they are labelled as.

Didn't want to risk a failed reversal.
 
themda said:
Gotcha, so you have two of the same clone, you forced one into making pollen, and will use that pollen on your other clone that had no stress. Same genetics I assume?

I am just curious if using the pollen from the same strain of clone, and pollinating the other clone, will that end up making less stable traits?
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2 clones off the same mother plant. One was treated to reverse and make pollen the other was not. I'm hoping for feminized seeds that produce plants with similar traits as the mother. But we'll see what turns out.
 
KingQuazy said:
ahh I see. I never looked into that. All I've seen is people buying silver and liquidizing it with 9 volt batteries lol Too much of a hastle imo. Def not against a mix and spray concoction. I'll have to look into it!
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That's CS which works as well but requires daily sprayings for weeks. STS is just a few sprays and you're done. STS is the method used by most breeders these days. It's just 2 chemicals you mix as needed. Buy it and stick it on the shelf until you need it. Mix it up to do a reversal anytime you want.

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xtsho said:
That's CS which works as well but requires daily sprayings for weeks. STS is just a few sprays and you're done. STS is the method used by most breeders these days. It's just 2 chemicals you mix as needed. Buy it and stick it on the shelf until you need it. Mix it up to do a reversal anytime you want.

silver.jpg
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where did you source the sodium thiosulfate and silver nitrate? i see some on ebay and some random websites, but what did you find reputable?
 
themda said:
Wow great feedback, anybody want to share their STS method?
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make .1N solutions of both then 1 part sodium thiosulfate to 1 part silver nitrate and dilute it with 2 parts of distilled water. So 1/4-1/4-2/4. I did it this way but i’ve read people using 1 part silver nitrate to 4 parts sodium thiosulfate which does not make much sense if i understood how that N works in the .1N (not a chemist but it works).
 
themda said:
Goal - to keep a clone only strain in seed form

Anybody have any experience with gathering pollen/self pollinating a clone? I've read in a few places that using CS to stress out a female SEED plant, but nothing about stressing out a female clone - would gathering that pollen be of no good when trying to make feminized seeds? Would self pollination of that clone create unstable genetics?

Its going to be my first time around using CS to stress plants into producing balls, would like input from people.
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also you are not stressing the plant. If i remember correctly, silver binds the copper in the plant cells and prevents the plant from producing female flower hormone.
 
spek9 said:
Amazon has a shipping freeze on my area as it considers it irrelevant. It takes a month to get something from the next province over, let alone something even more further away.

Happy Holidemic! ;)
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Well I just googled Silver Nitrate Canada and found a few different science equipment places. Shouldn't be too hard to find something. Idk where you are or what you wanna spend etc. It's available though.
 
spek9 said:
Amazon has a shipping freeze on my area as it considers it irrelevant. It takes a month to get something from the next province over, let alone something even more further away.

Happy Holidemic! ;)
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That sucks. My Amazon orders aren't being delayed at all. My last order took less than 2 days to get here.

Maybe add a bottle of ISO to the order?
 
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