no signs week 3 flower

hi guys..I have 4 green crack going..3 in promix,1 in miracle grow..all vegged for about 60 days and started bloom feed when flipped..temps around 60-65,rh is around 50-60,ph is normally between 6.3 and 6.8.
Using 2 300w leds calibrated mostly in the red spectrum at about 24 inches height and also threw in a few small led bulbs at 2700k when flipped.
I had some watering and N issues but they were fixed.

After 2 1/2 weeks with no signs of flowering I decided to put them in 48 hours darkness.
Today I turned the lights back on and are still absolutely no signs whatsoever ,vertical growth has pretty much come to a halt. Today marks the end of week 3.
Am I supposed to be seeing pre-flowers after this dark period or do I have to continue to wait.
It's really starting to piss me off bc this is supposed to be an 8-9 week strain but it looks to be taking a hell of alot longer than that and I can honestly see myself firing these fkn things out the door and growing some autos.
2 1/2 months wasted on these gd things..not to mention the electricity costs.
If there is a problem with the other 3, wouldn't the 1 in miracle grow soil still flower within the normal time frame bc it doesn't need to be fed?
I'm getting tired of putting all this work into something that is not giving back.
Please help!..im at my wits end.

Sounds like you are trying to flip young plants
They will flip when ready just make sure you have no light leak issues

Photos?

Pics?

@darterjay
Bro be sure that you definitely run less than 12 hours lights on..not 12 hours + 5 mins..12 hours or less..

The plant at 12 hours + 5 mins lights on vegetate...

I am sure u have been missing this tiny detail..and this is the prob..

There is no other explanation.!

CHECK your dimmer..if its an analog dimmer set it 11h.45 mins on and 12h.15 mins off..

Be carefull these little details which make the difference!

After you do it..you will see them explode..the stretching will start, and after a while you will see preflowers(5-10 days based on strain)!

Photoperiodic strains are far better than autos..yield and potency..
Autoflowering strains are a combination of fem. indicas/sativas and ruderalis.. Because ruderalis has less thc than indicas/sativas, the autos have also less thc than feminized, on my opinion!
The final yield is another story!

Dont give up!

EL Connoisseur said:

Bro be sure that you definitely run less than 12 hours lights on..not 12 hours + 5 mins..12 hours or less..The plant at 12 hours + 5 mins vegetate...
Be carefull these little details which make the difference!

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Herb & Suds said:

Sounds like you are trying to flip young plants
They will flip when ready just make sure you have no light leak issues

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There are no light leaks..i made sure of that before i flipped..I also use a timer..
Plants are healthy with no signs of any issues,youtube is my friend

At 60 days veg how can they be too young?.sure the temps are relatively low and veg growth was a bit slow but they should still flower.
I've read a photoperiod can be grown at 12-12 from seed..I also did this once a few years back as an experimental grow from a bag seed grown in dirt i dug up outside with only tap water and still got a 7g plant out of it (i never knew anything about growing and just did it anyway but it still produced buds)..i've grown a few autos with no issues but this photo shit really got me riddled.

EL Connoisseur said:

@darterjay
Bro be sure that you definitely run less than 12 hours lights on..not 12 hours + 5 mins..12 hours or less..

The plant at 12 hours + 5 mins lights on vegetate...

I am sure u have been missing this tiny detail..and this is the prob..

There is no other explanation.!

CHECK your dimmer..if its an analog dimmer set it 11h.45 mins on and 12h.15 mins off..

Be carefull these little details which make the difference!

After you do it..you will see them explode..the stretching will start, and after a while you will see preflowers(5-10 days based on strain)!

Photoperiodic strains are far better than autos..yield and potency..
Autoflowering strains are a combination of fem. indicas/sativas and ruderalis.. Because ruderalis has less thc than indicas/sativas, the autos have also less thc than feminized, on my opinion!
The final yield is another story!

Dont give up!

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My timer is not digitial..i guess you would call it analog which has 30 minute intervals..i will try 11:30 on 12:30 off for a week and see what happens..maybe the timer is not exact to the minute..hopefully that will work..thanks EL

darterjay said:

My timer is not digitial..i guess you would call it analog which has 30 minute intervals..i will try 11:30 on 12:30 off for a week and see what happens..maybe the timer is not exact to the minute..hopefully that will work..thanks EL

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@darterjay
Man let it 11.30 on 12.30 off and let it the till harvest. Dont just try this for a week..let it there till harvest..
Also be carefull, if your electricity drops down for a reason for some time..you must recalibrate the analog timer..It will not have the right setting if you dont re-adjust it!

Good luck with your grow and post some picks when it starts budding!

Cheers bro!

EL Connoisseur said:

@darterjay
Man let it 11.30 on 12.30 off and let it the till harvest. Dont just try this for a week..let it there till harvest..
Also be carefull, if your electricity drops down for a reason for some time..you must recalibrate the analog timer..It will not have the right setting if you dont re-adjust it!

Good luck with your grow and post some picks when it starts budding!

Cheers bro!

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timer has been set at 11:30 12:30 and will leave it there permanently..there has been a couple times when i had to re-adjust the timing so im usually on top of that. I appreciate your help.Thanks man.

darterjay said:

timer has been set at 11:30 12:30 and will leave it there permanently..there has been a couple times when i had to re-adjust the timing so im usually on top of that. I appreciate your help.Thanks man.

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No problem dude!..Nice..i also dont trust it an i am there EVERY FUCKING DAY to be sure that everything is ok about this..maybe when i am not home the electricity drops down for 15 mins.<--- I WILL GET DESTROYED, maybe the plants dont, but i will definitely get..i will buy a digital timer with batteries and the problem will be solved once forever.


Well man, we are here to help you if you need anything else..


Good luck!

Don’t go changing the light/dark cycle again and what are you using for flower ferts? Good chance you run into an early nitrogen deficiency seeing how you used it from start of 12/12.

Step one to this equation is a very common issue with new growers.

Flower time does not start until the plants begin to show flowers. So your plants might still take 8-9 weeks to mature. But that is 8-9 weeks from when try begin to flower.

Even photo period plants have genetic restrictions. You can grow them 12/12 from seed, but they won't actually start to flower until they are genetically mature and capable of reproduction. Which brings me to the second point. Was your 60day veg from germination or from when they were a little bigger and actually vegging and taking nutrients. If your counting from seed then that cuts 1-2 weeks off your be time too. So now it seems you flowered plants that were really only vegging for 4-5 weeks and I can guarantee they were immature at that point which means they will take much longer to transition to flower.

The 1-3 week transition period is commonly over looked by indoor growers for some reason. This makes people think they have been flowering longer then they really have. Then they usually harvest the same 1-3 weeks early because "the breeder said x number of weeks". Well the breeder also should have a dialed I grow an mature genetics so yeah it might only take them x number if weeks but will take you longer.

Lastly your temps aren't crazy low but they are lowing which will slow growth. A cold root zone will drastically slow growth.

Peeps gave good info but sometimes ive been over or under ferting and thats stalled flowering at 12/12 - once i eased the problem flowering started pretty quick like a week.

There are references to this with heavy nitrogen feeds etc but its not somthing i know to explain just happens the odd occassion and thought id add that as a consideration should it not be somthing else

Kingrow1 said:

Peeps gave good info but sometimes ive been over or under ferting and thats stalled flowering at 12/12 - once i eased the problem flowering started pretty quick like a week.

There are references to this with heavy nitrogen feeds etc but its not somthing i know to explain just happens the odd occassion and thought id add that as a consideration should it not be somthing else

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I think it's very possible his feeding could also play a roll in this. Over or under feeding or just over or under watering will slow growth.

To the OP if you really want the most help possible, some pictures of the plants would be a benefit, and outlining your feed/watering process.

Thundercat said:

Step one to this equation is a very common issue with new growers.

Flower time does not start until the plants begin to show flowers. So your plants might still take 8-9 weeks to mature. But that is 8-9 weeks from when try begin to flower.

Even photo period plants have genetic restrictions. You can grow them 12/12 from seed, but they won't actually start to flower until they are genetically mature and capable of reproduction. Which brings me to the second point. Was your 60day veg from germination or from when they were a little bigger and actually vegging and taking nutrients. If your counting from seed then that cuts 1-2 weeks off your be time too. So now it seems you flowered plants that were really only vegging for 4-5 weeks and I can guarantee they were immature at that point which means they will take much longer to transition to flower.

The 1-3 week transition period is commonly over looked by indoor growers for some reason. This makes people think they have been flowering longer then they really have. Then they usually harvest the same 1-3 weeks early because "the breeder said x number of weeks". Well the breeder also should have a dialed I grow an mature genetics so yeah it might only take them x number if weeks but will take you longer.

Lastly your temps aren't crazy low but they are lowing which will slow growth. A cold root zone will drastically slow growth.

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I was counting 60 days from germ..but i've seen vids and read about flowering at only 4 weeks into veg which is what most autos do anyway...so how can a 60 day veg (or 46-53 days) be too short for a photo when it's not too short for an auto?..that doesn't make sense to me..but i suppose thats where genetics come in..maybe..I rarely ever go by what the breeder says bc not all grows are under optimum conditions..i only use it as a rough guideline and use a microscope to determine harvest time

darterjay said:

I was counting 60 days from germ..but i've seen vids and read about flowering at only 4 weeks into veg which is what most autos do anyway...so how can a 60 day veg (or 46-53 days) be too short for a photo when it's not too short for an auto?..that doesn't make sense to me..but i suppose thats where genetics come in..maybe..I rarely ever go by what the breeder says bc not all grows are under optimum conditions..i only use it as a rough guideline and use a microscope to determine harvest time

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Pics of the plants? Plus autos and photos are very different imo. Autos have their own internal timer and do their own thing.

EL Connoisseur said:

@darterjay
Bro be sure that you definitely run less than 12 hours lights on..not 12 hours + 5 mins..12 hours or less..

The plant at 12 hours + 5 mins lights on vegetate...

I am sure u have been missing this tiny detail..and this is the prob..

There is no other explanation.!

CHECK your dimmer..if its an analog dimmer set it 11h.45 mins on and 12h.15 mins off..

Be carefull these little details which make the difference!

After you do it..you will see them explode..the stretching will start, and after a while you will see preflowers(5-10 days based on strain)!

Photoperiodic strains are far better than autos..yield and potency..
Autoflowering strains are a combination of fem. indicas/sativas and ruderalis.. Because ruderalis has less thc than indicas/sativas, the autos have also less thc than feminized, on my opinion!
The final yield is another story!

Dont give up!

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Just ignore this noob. He literally has no idea what hes talking about hahahhaha

growingforfun said:

Just ignore this noob. He literally has no idea what hes talking about hahahhaha

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One time I gave my plants 1 second of extra light at the end of the day. They were 9 weeks in. Next day all dead!

EL Connoisseur said:

@darterjay
Bro be sure that you definitely run less than 12 hours lights on..not 12 hours + 5 mins..12 hours or less..

The plant at 12 hours + 5 mins lights on vegetate...

I am sure u have been missing this tiny detail..and this is the prob..

There is no other explanation.!

CHECK your dimmer..if its an analog dimmer set it 11h.45 mins on and 12h.15 mins off..

Be carefull these little details which make the difference!

After you do it..you will see them explode..the stretching will start, and after a while you will see preflowers(5-10 days based on strain)!

Photoperiodic strains are far better than autos..yield and potency..
Autoflowering strains are a combination of fem. indicas/sativas and ruderalis.. Because ruderalis has less thc than indicas/sativas, the autos have also less thc than feminized, on my opinion!
The final yield is another story!

Dont give up!

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Plants at 12 hours and 5 minutes do not vegetate

Just a fyi... many plants are HARVESTED early september outdoors, still getting 12.5 hours of light... and START FLOWER receiving over 14 hours of light.

It's funny how many times I've seen this fool claim he knows so damn much and how quickly he learns, while calling long time members stupid.

He litterally is the stereotype of noob