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salmonetin

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These might be another option .

-1540 mexican pesos are 71 usd ...
Me thinks that is not so scary price ...

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2.4 Watts are enough UVB radiation to distribute over -5 square meters ,
in order to match the UVB output of the sun on a summer sunny day ,sea level ,at equator .
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salmonetin

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I was under the impression that “praying “ leaves are a sign of photo saturation ( light stress ) .
Leaves erect in such way ,
in order to decrease their available surface to incident light ,for protecting
the stressed light harvesting systems.


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/11956860.1997.11682429


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salmonetin

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Yep, you also have green in the mix .
Which actually makes the difference.
Red light is not counteracting the blue light effects .Green light does .
:wink:


Effects of blue light
The highest DM, greatest LAI and longest stem length typically occurred in the lowest BL treatments at both PPFs, where plants tended to exhibit shade-avoidance responses. As BL increased cryptochrome may become overstimulated and contribute to significantly reduced LAI, which would decrease radiation capture and ultimately growth.
Our results are similar to Hernández and Kubota (2015) for cucumber in which both leaf area and dry mass decreased with increasing BL over a similar range of BL fraction. Hernández and Kubota (2015) also indicate that leaf area and dry mass continue to decrease up to 75 % BL. Results of the current study for wheat, soybean and lettuce are similar to those of Dougher and Bugbee (2001) for dry mass, leaf area, stem length, chlorophyll, specific leaf at the same two light levels and across a similar BL range using
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44 filtered metal halide and high pressure sodium lamps. Dougher and Bugbee (2001) concluded that BL had only a small effect on the plant morphology for wheat, and
indicated that the response may be associated with the erectophile morphology of a monocot. Our results are also similar to Cope et al. (2014) for lettuce, radish and pepper at the same two light levels and across similar parameters for growth and development. However, Cope et al. (2014) analyzed the effects of BL for each species across all BL treatments (0 to 92 % BL) which included confounding factors potentially leading to conclusions that are associated with other variables.
Contrary to our results for radish, Yorio et al. (2001) concluded that their RB (10 % BL) treatment had significantly lower growth compared to cool white fluorescent (16 % BL) for radish; however, lettuce growth was similar between the two light sources. The cool white fluorescent treatment had nearly 47 % more GL compared to the RB treatment, so differences in growth cannot be entirely attributed to BL.
Hoenecke et al. (1992) grew lettuce seedlings for six days under multiple BL treatments ranging from 0 to 40 % BL at two PPFs (150 and 300 μmol m-2 s-1). Similar to our results for lettuce stem length, they reported that hypocotyl length rapidly decreased as BL increased up to 28 %. Their results are also consistent with those of Dougher and Bugbee (2001), although total stem length was reported, not hypocotyl length. Similar to our results, Brown et al. (1995) reported that pepper stem length decreased as BL increased up to 21 % BL.
The current study used a classic method of determining net assimilation (photosynthetic efficiency) using crop growth analysis and leaf area index as described in

45 Leopold and Kriedemann (1975) and Hunt (1982). The ratio of growth to leaf area index
provides a measure of net assimilation integrated over time. Because photon flux was constant at either 200 or 500 μmol m-2 s-1 this is a measure of photosynthetic efficiency. Poorter and Remkes (1990) studied growth rate in 24 wild species and concluded that net assimilation rate did not correlate well with dry mass production, however LAI did have a high correlation with dry mass production. This result is evident in DM, LAI and net assimilation results of the current study in which DM and LAI decreased at similar rates with increasing BL compared to net assimilation which had no change or increased slightly with increasing BL. Goins et al. (2001) studied the effects of different wavelengths of RL and a constant BL level (8-9 % BL) from LEDs on lettuce and radish and concluded that increased incident radiation capture resulted in increased growth more than higher individual leaf photosynthetic rates. Our study answers a question identified by Goins et al. (2001) that continuing to increase BL continues to decrease LAI, therefore radiation capture. Hogewoning et al. (2010b) also found similar effects in cucumber grown under artificial solar, fluorescent and high pressure sodium lamps. Growth of cucumber was at least one and a half times greater under the artificial solar treatment, which was related to more efficient light interception with no change in photosynthesis.
Goins et al. (1997) and Yorio et al. (2001) demonstrated that some blue light was necessary to improve photosynthetic efficiency. Hogewoning et al. (2010a) found that photosynthetic capacity in high light continued to increase with increasing BL up to 50 % BL, which is similar to our study, except that our BL range had a maximum of 28 % BL. Hogewoning et al. (2010a), however, used a PPF of 100, which is significantly lower

46 than the current study. Our results were also similar to Ouzounis et al. (2015) for lettuce
in which no differences were seen in photosynthetic efficiency at the lower light level, however our results produced a significant increase in photosynthetic efficiency at the higher light level, which indicate an interaction between light quality and PPF for lettuce. Also similar to our study, Terfa et al. (2013) showed that increasing blue light from 5 to 20 % increased leaf thickness (specific leaf area) and increased photosynthetic capacity. Hernández and Kubota (2015) also found that net photosynthesis increased in cucumber as blue light fraction increased from 10 to 80 %.
Effects of green light
Green light can alter plant development (Folta and Maruhnich, 2007), but our results were inconsistent between light levels and species. Also our results contrast to findings of Wang and Folta (2013) that effects may decrease as PPF increases. However, duration of trials in the current study was for 21 days, which was prior to full canopy closure and the contribution of GL may increase as canopy closure occurs.
The highest dry mass tended to be the lowest green light treatment but the effect was only statistically significant in radish at high light. Increasing GL had a minimal effect at the lower light level. Similarly, Johkan et al. (2012) reported that, in general, the green treatments were closer in total DM for lettuce to the cool white fluorescent treatment at 100 PPF, than at 200 and 300 PPF. Lin et al. (2013) reported that lettuce grown at 210 PPF under RB LEDs had a lower DM than lettuce grown under two broad spectrum light sources (red + blue + white LEDs and fluorescent lamps) at the same PPF. This is in contrast to findings of our study in which there was higher DM in the RB

47 treatment and DM showed no change or decreased under broad spectrum treatments
(RGB, warm, neutral and cool white), which had increased GL compared to the RB treatment. Our results differ from findings for lettuce in Kim et al. (2004b) and for radish in Yorio et al. (2001), but agree with the results for lettuce in Yorio et al. (2001). However, when considering the interaction of PPF and light quality, as in Johkan et al. (2012), our results are similar with both Kim et al. (2004b) and Yorio et al. (2001). Kim et al. (2004b) reported that supplementing red and blue LEDs with green light (from green fluorescent lamps) increased lettuce growth by up to 48 % at the same total PPF. Their results indicated that too much (51 %) or too little (0 %) green light caused a decrease in growth, while about 24 % was optimal. This finding contradicts our results in which growth response was inconsistent as GL was added. The RB treatment (0 % GL) typically produced the highest growth for most species tested. Similar to our study, Hernández and Kubota (2015) concluded that GL (28 %) had no effect on cucumber growth.
Paradiso et al. (2011) measured photosynthesis of individual rose leaves at 18 wavelengths and using a deviation of the Beer-Lambert equation to calculate photosynthesis of a plant community with a leaf area index of three (LAI=3). Their results indicate that there is an increased utilization of GL in whole plant communities compared to individual leaves. These results, and those of the current study, suggest that photosynthetic efficiency at the individual leaf level (e.g. Sun et al. (1998) and Terashima et al. (2009)) should not automatically be extrapolated to the whole plant community level

Agreed !
Plants will adapt to a variation of conditions.
Still, within limits .

Like the intense but scattered blue light from sun ,with loads of green light along in the mix .That won’t cause issues to most “lightvores” of plants.

But in the case of a low-end LED “grow light “ made without any background R&D ,but only with
rather ,relatively to other monos ,efficient blue diodes and mediocre reds that once the temps rise their output decreases big time.
Red LEDs are notorious for their rather steep efficiency drop as the Tj increases.So,the initial R:B ratio of the output spectrum of such lights usually alters dramatically,favouring the B part,once they reach their operating thermal equilibrium.
Keep in mind that the thermal management of the low-end “grow-lights”,at best case is a joke...

The new output spectrum could be a condition ,beyond
the aforementioned “limits”.

Practically, lots of blue light with a hint of red ...
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salmonetin

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That “lamp” IS really bad spectrum-wise .Seems that plenty of folks nowdays in the LED section think or believe that light quantity is of more
importance than of light quality.

But is light quality that “shapes”
( photomorphogenesis ) the plant accordingly ,in order to use as efficiently as possible the available light quantity.
Under a bad spectrum ,growth will be far inferior than ideal ,no matter the given PPF to the plants.

(...)plant growth was clearly more closely linked to the spectral fit of the light to the maximum photosynthetic response recorded by McCree (1972) than to PPF or illuminance(...)


(...)Controlling spectral qualities of the irradiation applied enables faster growth or higher yield at a given radiation energy(...)

The McCree curve is the ideal output SPD for a general use horticultural light.

Oh ,I’m really sorry,some of my notes/comments were not directed towards you .I quoted your post mostly to emphasise that the spectrum of the lamp is bad.
We are mostly on the same boat
for more than light quality,you & me.
My bad , if you’ve understood otherwise.

I do not think that we really need a spectral sheet ,to figure out how bad the spectrum of the lamp is .

17x Blue LEDs vs 38x Red ones is
about an output power ratio R:B of 1:1 .Add also the high energy photons from the near-UV LED and the blue portion of the two cool whites.
The amount of green light from the latter is negligible in relation to
the total amount of blue light.

As for the two FR LEDs won’t aid at all ,at any aspect.

You could have 10 more of these fixtures hanging and still the plants would not look better .I bet that
on the contrary ,the plants would have had a much worse health and appearance under higher intensities
of this far-from-ideal output spectrum.
(...)
The issue with green light is that it exerts an antagonistic effect on other blue light-induced responses, including stomatal closure (Frechilla et al., 2000) (...)



As far as praying leaves , if my memory does not deceive me , the actual mechanism is pretty simple .
The cells on the top part of the leaves
“deflate” , while the cells on the bottom part “inflate” with water .That way the leaves change their angle .



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salmonetin

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Cannabis will flower under almost any white light ,no matter the source (CFL,
HID,LED,etc) and no matter the CCT & CRI .It’s the hours under light vs dark period which induces and promotes flowering and not the light spectrum .
But...

As a crude rule of thumb ,
for cannabis flowering under white light :

The more
blue light contained in the white mix ,
the bud quality tends to increase , but with a negative impact on yield.Only 10-15%
of the total power should be blue light for plant health and vigor .More than that , Blue light effects
will be induced dramatically.

The more green contained in the mix overall yield will increase (as the lower buds will gain more weight ) , but potency will drop ,regarding the production and final concentration of Δ9-THC.
Still , about 25-30% of the power has
to be green light ,for plant health and vigor .More than that ,adverse effects
might be induced ( like shade avoidance syndrome,low potency,slow bud growth rates ,etc).

The more red light contained in the mix ,the more carbohydrates are being
synthesized and more nitrates are being assimilated ,thus yield is affected positively ,regarding mainly top buds ,while overall cannabinoid production is also affected positively.
40-60 % of the white mix ,should be red light ,for productive plant cultivation ....

Far red should be present at very low
quantity ( 2,5-5 % ),as due to Emerson effect affects positively the yield .Also keeps the Pr/Pfr ratio more balanced.
Too much of it ( like with 2700K 90Ra ) ,will cause internodal stretching,shade avoidance syndrome and excessive internal heat. Foxtailing is more likely to occur ,also.

Depending on the wished goal ,
one peeks the appropriate CCT & CRI ,of the “standard” ( more or less) LED
white spectrums , to suit the goal needs .

More or less ...

EDIT: You will probably encounter suggestions like “ CCT & CRI are human vision centered metrics ,thus are useless for plant cultivation.“
While this is being generally true ,still
in the phosphor conversion white LED lighting world ,the CCT value represents more or less a certain SPD curve -thus certain standard R-G-B-FR ratios ,while the CCT value gives away the phosphors used for producing white light out from a monochromatic blue light excitation source (peak: ~ 440-450 nm)...

CRI 70:A single yellow-green (peak : ~ 560-570 nm) phosphor used.

CRI 80: Blend of a green ( pk :~550 nm ) phosphor with an orange-red one ( peak around 600 nm ) .

CRI 90 / 90+ : Blend of a green (pk:~550 nm )phosphor with a red one ( peak around 630 nm ) .
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salmonetin

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....bueno vuelta de nuevo a mi lentisimo pc.... este baul ya es demasiado pesado para este viejo pc...
...otro baul lleno de recuerdos....

...hora de abrir otro baul....

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