Strange Mutation....

BigRed469

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Thanks for the pictures electrichot12. Can I ask the flowering time of your colombian as im fairly confident coming from Pacific it would have have something added to it to speed it up. Most of the genetics from there can be doggy, many know to auto or semi auto when they are not supposed to. A landrace or heirloom colombian gold should average about 14-20 week and really be on the longer side of that. Ive not herd of gelato seeds before but that cookies plant is a mutated mess made by some amature hacks that got lucky so the gentics are highly inbred an prone to some odd things. Ive see cookie and gelato plants stuck inbtween veg and flower constantly and they wont go back into veg or into flower. Just keep testing yours, and if your happy with the results thats all that matters. Keep us update with how you get on please. Thanks.
Ps. A little tip. This is ment for anyone who is growing and buys seeds. Use these forums to look for completed start to finish grows from multiple people when you are thinking of buying seeds from a particular seedmaker or breeder. Check out and look for multiple good reports on seedbank/seed distributor. If your finding it very difficult to find any start to finish completed grows across the boards of even one of the strains out of many from seeds from a place you are looking at then be aware as there must be a reason for that. Stick to the makers who have had a track record from many satisfied people which you'll see on the board and who has been around awhile. Just be careful, because some places are not giving what your asking for and paying for.
I can attest to this as well. I have 2 different Durban Tropegranate phenos(Durban poison x Tropicana Cookies) that I tried to reveg from last summer and it still won't decide if it wants to flower or revert to veg. I was successfully able to reveg out my Tropsanto and get it to clone normally but even that took about 3 months. I'm thinking that those are just recessive traits hidden in the cookies.
 
Thanks for the pictures electrichot12. Can I ask the flowering time of your colombian as im fairly confident coming from Pacific it would have have something added to it to speed it up. Most of the genetics from there can be doggy, many know to auto or semi auto when they are not supposed to. A landrace or heirloom colombian gold should average about 14-20 week and really be on the longer side of that. Ive not herd of gelato seeds before but that cookies plant is a mutated mess made by some amature hacks that got lucky so the gentics are highly inbred an prone to some odd things. Ive see cookie and gelato plants stuck inbtween veg and flower constantly and they wont go back into veg or into flower. Just keep testing yours, and if your happy with the results thats all that matters. Keep us update with how you get on please. Thanks.
Ps. A little tip. This is ment for anyone who is growing and buys seeds. Use these forums to look for completed start to finish grows from multiple people when you are thinking of buying seeds from a particular seedmaker or breeder. Check out and look for multiple good reports on seedbank/seed distributor. If your finding it very difficult to find any start to finish completed grows across the boards of even one of the strains out of many from seeds from a place you are looking at then be aware as there must be a reason for that. Stick to the makers who have had a track record from many satisfied people which you'll see on the board and who has been around awhile. Just be careful, because some places are not giving what your asking for and paying for.
I'm just having fun with it. The Colombian I call Colombian Mystique, with the ICC it's about 23% THC, really nice cerebral buzz. The Godfather Magic is too couchlock, but that works, too. I'm thinking of crossing the CM with Durban Poison. Just playing.....
 

Elon Kush

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Pacific Seed Bank for the Colombian Gold landrace and Godfather OG. Gelato Seeds for the Ice Cream Cake.
I think we've found the problem bud, it's your seed sources lol Pacific seed bank AND Gelato seeds are both white lable seed company's, so you got autos labeled AS something else. There arent real breeders behind either of the brands, literally just some distributors that buy bulk seedstock, package seeds, lable them as something they think will sell ei. ice cream cake and voila, you didnt get what you thought you were getting. Do your research before purchasing seedstock, you may think you're getting a killer deal on some hard to find genetics, but the reality is you're getting swindled. It's not all in the strain name my man, it's the breeder behind the strain that counts ✌
 
I think we've found the problem bud, it's your seed sources lol Pacific seed bank AND Gelato seeds are both white lable seed company's, so you got autos labeled AS something else. There arent real breeders behind either of the brands, literally just some distributors that buy bulk seedstock, package seeds, lable them as something they think will sell ei. ice cream cake and voila, you didnt get what you thought you were getting. Do your research before purchasing seedstock, you may think you're getting a killer deal on some hard to find genetics, but the reality is you're getting swindled. It's not all in the strain name my man, it's the breeder behind the strain that counts ✌
I don't see my situation as a problem--I am thrilled with this experimentation. I am not complaining about this development.
 

conor c

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I don't see my situation as a problem--I am thrilled with this experimentation. I am not complaining about this development.
It can be handy maybe for you but i think things should be labelled correctly ie if a seed seller fucks up they should fix it imo obviously you aint upset so no issue there but some folk would be pissed in your shoes
 

conor c

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Hi electric, I may have news for you. I recently saw an interview with the King of Feminized seed, Arjan. He said that out of maybe 50,000 feminized seeds you will get 3 or 4 that are stubbornly and completely male. He couldn't explain why it happens but that is alot of seed cracking to find out.
We know it happens with other plants but in the plant world cannabis is a weird plant to begin with and we dont know enough about it yet to put it simply and id love to see proof on a genetic level there actually male not extremely male leaning herms ive heard many decent breeders i trust being honest about finding em in s1s however i yet to see scientific proof on a genetic level
 
QUOTE.....out of maybe 50,000 feminized seeds you will get 3 or 4 that are stubbornly and completely male ....
It would seem environmental factors could raise that number significantly. Remember, this conversation is about one feminized seed that flowered male, and the strange traits in his offspring.
 

ALPHA.GanjaGuy

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male or herm? my guess is you had a fem seed herm which is very common..

in your op you said; "The handfull of seeds I have left are dwindling, and I have yet to produce a male plant for pollen. "
 

grayeyes

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We know it happens with other plants but in the plant world cannabis is a weird plant to begin with and we dont know enough about it yet to put it simply and id love to see proof on a genetic level there actually male not extremely male leaning herms ive heard many decent breeders i trust being honest about finding em in s1s however i yet to see scientific proof on a genetic level
About feminized seed I think Arjan (Greenhouse Seeds-Strain Destroyers) knows what he is talking about. Anyone else I would have doubts. Name ONE other seed seller that sells more feminized seed thaN Arjan. Before you go expert, Arjan has been in the biz 40 FORTY years. ONE!
 
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TheWholeTruth

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I'm just having fun with it. The Colombian I call Colombian Mystique, with the ICC it's about 23% THC, really nice cerebral buzz. The Godfather Magic is too couchlock, but that works, too. I'm thinking of crossing the CM with Durban Poison. Just playing.....
That godfather is supposed to be strong stuff, not had it yet myself. From what your saying sounds like stardog we have. It usual just couch locks you an knocks you out. I think it better wen cut early. Cm x durban should come out good, you should update us if it works out. Yea as long as your happy and your having fun its all good.
 

conor c

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About feminized seed I think Arjan (Greenhouse Seeds-Strain Destroyers) knows what he is talking about. Anyone else I would have doubts. Name ONE other seed seller that sells more feminized seed thaN Arjan. Before you go expert, Arjan has been in the biz 40 FORTY years. ONE!
Im aware and thats all he is a businessman not a true canna guy thats my point you just made it for me no one is saying he isnt a good businessman but on the face of the community he is a blight like many others as well but thats for another time see its easy to take away and make money and give nothing back if you actually care about it and respect this plant you would make sure you do not pollute it at source ie landraces in there place of origin and leaving foreign genetics thats unforgivable you can paint whatever picture you want mate it doesnt change that fact he cares about money thats all
 

bandit08

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Hi electric, I may have news for you. I recently saw an interview with the King of Feminized seed, Arjan. He said that out of maybe 50,000 feminized seeds you will get 3 or 4 that are stubbornly and completely male. He couldn't explain why it happens but that is alot of seed cracking to find out.
The self proclaimed king.. Just saying :)
 
UPDATE: These plants are 50 days old today. I'm running out of room up top. I've got one singled out for topping, just gonna let it fill out a little more. Doesn't look like the early flowering slows down veg stage at all.
 

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conor c

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Major jackass if you ask me. But as far as feminized seed, can't think of anyone who does it exclusively but him.
Thats cos he has no morals think about it they go all over the world take pure seeds then pollute the genepool so no one else can release the pure lines except them yet they never do they just use em to make hybrids to sell this is there business model pretty much the reason they stopped doing regs as well as fems males matter as we all know dont get me wrong im not against fems but i think you should have the option of regs for preservation sake being on offer as well
 

grayeyes

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Thats cos he has no morals think about it they go all over the world take pure seeds then pollute the genepool so no one else can release the pure lines except them yet they never do they just use em to make hybrids to sell this is there business model pretty much the reason they stopped doing regs as well as fems males matter as we all know dont get me wrong im not against fems but i think you should have the option of regs for preservation sake being on offer as well
Brother, you are preaching to the choir. I agree 1000%. He keeps the good stuff and pushs crap. We'll never see the good stuff.
 
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