The Left's Lust for Revolutionary Transformation

Wavels

Well-Known Member
This is an interesting and provocative take on the far left.:blsmoke:

Here are some excerpts from:

American Thinker: The Left's Lust for Revolutionary Transformation

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Everything must be different!" is the core psychology of Leftism, and has little to do with reasoned political beliefs. Most Marxists in the English Departments of America have never read Karl Marx's giant tome, Das Kapital, which parades as a work of economics and history, but is in fact a ponderous update of the Prussian philosopher Friedrich Hegel, who is even more unreadable than Marx. Instead of going to the fount of all Marxist wisdom, our academic "Marxists" have read the 1848 Communist Manisfesto and some hero-worshipping Leftist magazines. They are what Lenin, with magnificent disdain, called "vulgar Marxists" -- that is, proletarian dupes who just don't understand the deep philosophical roots of the real thing. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]There are only a few ideas in Das Kapital[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]. One is that human history is driven by class struggle between the rich and the poor, a wild oversimplification of history's rich and colorful tapestry. The other idea, borrowed from Hegel[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times] and flipped upside-down, is that the inevitable culmination of History in a state of Paradise is a material and this-worldly society, the condition of universal Communism, instead of an other-worldly condition, as Hegel predicted. Hegel believed that the Prussian State was a model of Paradise to Come. But since Marx was a "scientific" materialist, his version of history was called "dialectical materialism."
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[FONT=times new roman,times]A radical's beliefs are only on the surface. It is the personal psychology that is always the same, and it always hankers to break down whatever humanity has built to date.[/FONT]
 
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lynchburgball

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""Everything must be different!" or "Alles muss anders sein!" was a slogan of the Nazi Party. It is also the heart's desire of every Leftist since Karl Marx. Nazism was a deeply revolutionary creed, a fact that is always denied by the Left; but it's true. Hitler and his criminal gang hated the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches, and "the System". They went through their Leftist phase early in life, and then went on to discover Aryan racial purity as their beau ideal. (As a swarthy Italian, Mussolini preferred to appeal to ancient Roman imperial glory).


[FONT=times new roman,times]Nazism was hatched in the same little intellectual cafes as a myriad of Leftwing ideologies, like social-democracy, anarchism, the Socialist Workers' Party, Trotskyism, Proudhonism, the lot. Peter Viereck writing in 1941 saw fascism's origins clearly. In the back streets of European cities you can still find the local anarchist or Leninist storefront, with old guys wearing 1900 laborer's caps and big mustaches, and fierce revolutionary posters of Lenin tacked on the walls. You can also find them in Berkeley, California."[/FONT]


This is also from that article. Far leftists are nazis? damn that's some serious accusation. Wavels, are you agreeing with this publication?
 

Wavels

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Hi lynch, the article does not say that leftists are Nazis....
It addresses the psychology of those who have demonstrated a desire to tear down and destroy societal constructs.
I do not believe that all lefties are this demented, however the history of radical thought as depicted in piece is largely accurate, IMO.


I support Ron Paul who is running on a platform which most Republicans and Democrats detest, despise and abhor!!!

That is why I like Paul!:mrgreen:
 

ViRedd

New Member
This is also from that article. Far leftists are nazis? damn that's some serious accusation. Wavels, are you agreeing with this publication?[/FONT]
I think Ayn Rand put it best when she said: "The Communists and the Nazis are two rival gangs fighting over the same territory."

Wavels ...

Its gonna be interesting to see the responses to your post. :)

Vi
 

Dankdude

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(1) Human Nature: Rand, like Sartre, believed in a radical conception of human freedom: human beings not only were free in the sense that they could make choices between competing alternatives, they were also free about their own psychological make-up. Human beings, upon birth, were both cognitive and emotional blank slates. Man was a being "of self-made soul," as she liked to put it. This extreme version of the free will doctrine is not supported by either the testimony of great historians and poets nor does it pass muster with the sciences of human nature (psychology, neuroscience, biology, etc.). It simply does not correspond to reality. Human beings are in fact born with certain innate tendencies of character. And not only that, their fundamental character and personality is affected, not merely by genetics, but even by such non-volitional phenomena such as lesions in the brain. Rand's theory of human nature simply cannot stand up to the facts of the case. It is a species of radicalism, not so very different from the social constructivism of the Left. Though not socially constructivist, it does embrace a kind of egocentric or mind-centric constructivism.

(2) History. Rand contended that history was determined by the broad abstractions of philosophy, particularly epistemological and "metaphysical" abstractions. She believed, for example, that Kant's Critique of Pure Reason helped bring about the holocaust, and that her philosophy would lead to renaissance of reason and capitalism. This theory of history as one of Rand's worst blunders. You have to be very ignorant of historical sociology to take such a theory seriously. I suspect it is little more than a rationalization of her own immense conceit. She wanted to believe that she could change the course of history. Hence the theory

(3) Ontology. Rand presented herself as a realist (i.e., she believed, as we all do, that an external world exists independent of our perception of it), but she rejected the dualistic implications of realism, as exemplified by Arthur Lovejoy in his seminal The Revolt Against Dualism. Although acknowledging that realism cannot be proved, she did believe it could be validated through the use of several axioms. The implication in some Objectivist writings, especially of a strictly Randian, orthodox cast, is that many important facts about reality can be deduced from these axioms, most of which are merely empty tautologies, such as "existence exists" and "A is A." In other words, despite her formal realism, at its core, Rand's philosophy is intransigently rationalistic. She attempts to determine matters of fact through logical, moral, and rhetorical constructions. Yet she insisted all along that all valid human ideas can be traced to some perception or observation! Obviously, logic was not her strong point.

(4) Religion. Rand was a militant atheist. She regarded religion as irrational and immoral. She believed that human beings could know for certain that God doesn't exist and that anyone who disagreed was not being rational or honest. When you read Objectivist writings on religion, which are extremely insensitive and utterly clueless, it is clear that neither Rand nor any of her followers understood a thing about religion. They viewed the phenomenon entirely from the outside, as they had found it in the summaries of theologies and in the pronouncements of religious extremists. They had no experience of what religion is for practicing believers. That entire world they kept themselves shut out of, as if afraid of contamination. But without firsthand experience of how religion works in the hearts and minds of devout religious believers, you can never understand religion. I say this irrespective of where you stand on the question of God's existence.

(5) Human Cognition. An important subject for Rand. She took great pains to develop a theory of concepts which (or so she claimed) solved the so-called "problem of universals." Scott Ryan, in his book Objectivism and The Corruption of Rationality, has shown that Rand didn't even understand the problem, let alone solve it. But that's not the least of what is wrong with Rand's theories of cognition—her epistemology, if you will. Rand believed that the basic facts of human cognition could be laid bare through careful introspection of how the mind works. Here she committed a major blunder. Cognitive science has discovered that most of what happens in the mind occurs well below the threshold of consciousness. If you want to know how the mind works, you have to observe and study other minds, which cognitive scientists have been doing now for the last three decades. The results of these studies conflict in many important ways with the assertions of Rand. For example, Rand stressed logic as an instrumental part of thinking. Cognitive scientists have found, however, that logic is not much used in real world thinking. Most thinking involves making educated guesses based on one's experience, and then testing these guesses empirically. That, at least, is how critically inclined professionals such as doctors and lawyers think. Rand's epistemology is no longer relevant. It lacks empirical backing. It based on little more than rationalistic speculation.

(6) Morality. Rand famously supported selfishness in her ethical writings. But she also attempted to frame a "rational" morality, that is, one based on "reason." Her theory is not very impressive. She begins by arguing for a survivalist morality. The good is what helps people to survive, the bad is what brings about death. But Rand did not really want to advocate a survivalist morality, because she could imagine situations in which survival would not be worth it (e.g., survival under terrible pain). So she introduced a qualification to her theory: not survival per se, but the "survival appropriate to a rational being." Well that changes everything! But what does it mean? How does one distinguish a survival appropriate to a rational being from one that isn't? Here is where the theory fails: Rand has no answer to this question. Her standard is so vague that it simply opens the door to casuistry.

(7) Aesthetics. I wrote in my book Ayn Rand Contra Human Nature that Rand aesthetics is little more than a rationalization of her phillistinism. The fact is, Rand really didn't like art. She despised most of the great artists of Western Civilization, including Shakespeare, Rembrandt, Tolstoy, and Van Gogh. She rationalized her dislikes by calling any art she didn't approve of as "malevolent" or deterministic.

Philosophically, Rand was a mess. Although undeniably brilliant and a gifted and charismatic writer, Rand was simply too egotistic to accept either the criticism of others or the evidence of scholars and scientists. She had to create a philosophy on her own resources alone, and other than IQ, she didn't have much to offer. She was not very well read nor did she have much experience with the greater world. She was an intellectual in the worst sense of the word: insular, provincial, uncurious, interested merely in projecting her own wishes and pathologies on thousands of adoring fans. It is not surprising that her star is beginning to slip, and that fewer and fewer people are falling under her spell. Although ome well meaning followers are trying to purge her philosophy of its worse elements by mixing it with a heady dose of common sense, this will not likely help Rand's reputation. The so-called neo-Objectivism of David Kelley and kindred spirits will only serve to sanitize Rand and make her works dull. Her philosophy may be a bit mad, but that is the only thing that provides any interest. A sanitized Rand is a boring Rand.
 

Dankdude

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1. Existence as the value sought by living things:

"There is only one fundamental alternative in the universe: existence or non-existence--and it pertains to a single class of entities: to living organisms. ... But a plant has no choice of action; ... : it acts automatically to further its life, it cannot act for its own destruction.

An animal ... . But so long as it lives, ... it is unable to ignore its own good, unable to decide to choose the evil and act as its own destroyer."

The claim here, quite clearly, is that living things other than human beings automatically act for their own survival. That claim is false. A male mantis, for example, mates, even though the final step of the process consists of being eaten by the female. Female mammals get pregnant, even though (especially in species where the male does not help support female and offspring) doing so substantially reduces their chances of survival. If one is going to ascribe values to non-human living things, the purpose of those values, on both empirical and theoretical grounds, is not survival but reproductive success.

Of course, survival is usually a means to reproductive success, so most living things most of the time are trying to survive. But a living being that put survival above everything else would not reproduce, so its descendants wouldn't be around for Rand to use as evidence in deriving oughts.

Some philosophies, I suppose, could dismiss all of this as irrelevant to metaphysical argument. But Objectivism claims to base its conclusions on the facts of reality--and the "fact" with which Rand starts her argument is false.


2. Life or death as the fundamental value choice:

"Since life requires a specific course of action, any other course will destroy it. A being who does not hold his own life as the motive and goal of his actions, is acting on the motive and standard of death."​

Consider someone following a value other than Rand's--a utilitarian, say, or a nationalist. His life is not the motive and goal of his actions, but it is usually a means to the achievement of his goal. If he isn't alive, he can't have utility himself, nor can he act to increase the utility of others--and similarly if his goal is the triumph of his nation. So such people usually take the actions required by their own survival. But their life is not their goal, as becomes apparent when they have an opportunity to achieve their goal at the cost of their life--assassinate Hitler, say, with the knowledge that they will die in the process.

The first sentence quoted above is false. It is not true that there is a specific course of action required for life and any other course will destroy it. There are a great many different courses of action which preserve life with varying degrees of success. Rand's statement, taken literally, is contradicted by the facts of reality. If such people were acting on the motive and standard of death they would commit suicide at the first convenient opportunity, and there would be nobody but Objectivists left. That hasn't happened.

A more charitable interpretation is that Rand means that if you do not take your life as your goal, you are choosing a little death--a slightly higher probability of death, a somewhat shorter life expectancy. That is a true statement, but the equivalent is equally true for any value one might propose. The utilitarian could argue that a non-utilitarian, by not acting in the way that maximizes human happiness, is choosing a little misery. A utilitarian Galt could go on to assert that "A being who does not hold the happiness of all men as the motive and goal of his actions, is acting on the motive and standard of human misery." His argument would be as good--which is to say as bad--as Rand's.

3. The shift from life to life as man qua man:

"Man's life is the standard of morality, but your life is its purpose. If existence on earth is your goal, you must choose your actions and values by the standard of that which is proper to man--for the purpose of preserving, fulfilling and enjoying the irreplaceable value which is your life."

(this passage actually precedes the one I quoted just above, but is relevant to the next point I want to make)

This seems fairly clear. My life is the purpose of my morality, and the reason that I must choose a certain sort of morality is that that sort of morality is the best way of preserving, fulfilling and enjoying my life. The only puzzle is where "fulfilling and enjoying" come from, given that the previous step hinged on the choice of existence or non-existence. By the logic so far, "fulfilling and enjoying" belong in the argument only as means to the goal of preserving.

This is the point where the argument I introduced a month or so back takes off from. "Your life" means what it says, so if I can show that your physical survival is enhanced by an act then, according to the argument up to this point, you should do it. A means cannot trump the end it is a means to.

"No, you do not have to live as a man ... . But you cannot live as anything else--and the alternative is ... the state of a thing unfit for existence, no longer human and less than animal, a thing that knows nothing but pain and drags itself through its span of years in the agony of unthinking self-destruction."

At this point, Rand is using passionate oratory to obscure a shift in the argument. She is claiming that someone who lives a full lifespan "in the agony of unthinking self-destruction" isn't really acting for his life. But the fact that he lives a full span of life is evidence that he is not in fact destroying himself. Somehow, something extra has been slipped into the argument, to convert "life" into "the kind of life Rand thinks you should live," where the latter is not deducible from the former.

4. The shift from surviving by reason to Objectivist ethics:

"Honesty is the recognition of the fact that the unreal is unreal and can have no value, that neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraud--that an attempt to gain a value by deceiving the mind of others is an act of raising your victims to a position higher than reality, where you become a pawn of their blindness, a slave of their non-thinking and their evasions, while their intelligence, their rationality, become the enemies you have to dread and flee ... ."​

According to Rand, values are things you act to get and keep; in that sense cash obtained by fraud is obviously a value for some people. If we interpret "value" in this passage as meaning "value for your life," hence "value of the sort Rand is arguing you should seek," it is still puzzling. Money obtained by fraud will pay for just as much food or medical service as money obtained honestly.

The rest of the quoted passage is a highly colored exposition of a true point--that if you defraud people, you have to worry about being detected. The problem is that Rand is drawing an absolute conclusion that her argument does not justify. Different opportunities to defraud people have different risks of detection, and victims vary in their ability to retaliate against fraud if they detect it. So the implication of the argument is not that one should always be honest, but that one should be prudent in one's dishonesty--which is not, of course, the result Rand wants.

"To interpose the threat of physical destruction between a man and his perception of reality, is to negate and paralyze his means of survival; to force him to act against his own judgement, is like forcing him to act against his own sight. Whoever, to whatever purpose or extent, initiates the use of force, is a killer acting on the premise of death ... .

To force a man to drop his own mind and to accept your will as a substitute, with a gun ... is to attempt to exist in defiance of reality."​

Using force against someone reduces his ability to use his reason to preserve his life. Reality implies that the victim is less likely to have a long and healthy life. But the coercer is not trying to defy that reality--his objective is not his victim's life but his own.
 

medicineman

New Member
Well, I'm not sure of what you meant in that treatise Dank, but I'd say the left has an agenda as well as the right. I just believe the lefts agenda more favors the people than the corporations that the rights agenda favors.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Vi, do you grow weed too?
Yes, and damned good weed too. Ask Dank and Med. :hump:

Here ... rather than take the word of some leftist, wanna-be Ayn Rand critic, learn for yourselves.


Ayn Rand no longer relevant? Hardly. Its no secret that the left absolutly hates Rand and eveything she stands for. She was totally anti-socialism, anti-communism and anti-fascisim. That's why builders of welfare states and police states hate her so much.

Vi
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Vi, Rand Was wrong on these subjects in her philosophy:

Human Nature
History (here she was completely demented)
Ontology (although Logic wasn't her strong point)
Religion
Human Cognition (Here she uses speculation)
Morality (she regarded selfishness as a virtue, that is hardly moral)
Aesthetics

You just can't stand it when someone points out the flaws in her philosophy.
Just the fact that her philosophy so flawed nullifys it and makes it non-relevant.
 
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