The ratios?

BDGrows

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I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction or shed some light on the preferred ratios of calcium to phos as well as Fe : Mn. Im giving a go at mixing my own nutes and I just wanna make sure everything is balanced so I don't have a headache down the line... Ie for flower I used @Renfro's calc and came up with this for a 1/3/2 bloom...
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I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction or shed some light on the preferred ratios of calcium to phos as well as Fe : Mn. Im giving a go at mixing my own nutes and I just wanna make sure everything is balanced so I don't have a headache down the line... Ie for flower I used @Renfro's calc and came up with this for a 1/3/2 bloom...
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1-3-2 isn't where you wanna be IMO. More like 1-2-3, ripen at 1-1-2
 
I don't believe the NPK % is the same as resulting elemental PPM ratios.
Right, well N is straightforward but others aren't.

Fertilizers are usually labeled with three numbers, as in 18-20-10, indicating the relative content of the macronutrients nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K), respectively.

More precisely, the first number ("N value") is the percentage of elemental nitrogen by weight in the fertilizer; that is, the mass fraction of nitrogen times 100. The second number ("P value") is the percentage by weight of phosphorus pentoxide P2O5 in a fertilizer with the same amount of phosphorus that gets all of its phosphorus from P2O5. The third number ("K value") is analogous, based on the equivalent content of potassium oxide K2O.[3]

For example, a 15-13-20 fertilizer would contain 15% by weight of nitrogen, and the same amounts of phosphorus and potassium as a mixture of 13% by weight of P2O5, 20% K2O, and 67% of some inert ingredient.

The values in an NPK fertilizer label are related to the concentrations (by weight) of phosphorus and potassium elements as follows:

  • P2O5 consists of 56.4% elemental oxygen and 43.6% elemental phosphorus by weight. Therefore, the elemental phosphorus percentage of a fertilizer is 0.436 times its P value.
  • K2O consists of 17% oxygen and 83% elemental potassium by weight. Therefore, the elemental potassium percentage is 0.83 times the K value.
The N value in NPK labels represents actual percentage of nitrogen element by weight, so it does not need to be converted.

So, for example, an 18−51−20 fertilizer contains by weight

  • 18% elemental nitrogen,
  • 0.436 × 51 = 22% elemental phosphorus, and
  • 0.83 × 20 = 17% elemental potassium.
As another example, the fertilizer sylvite is a naturally occurring mineral consisting mostly of potassium chloride, KCl. Pure potassium chloride contains one potassium atom (whose atomic mass is 39.09 g/mol) for every chlorine atom (whose atomic mass is 35.45 g/mol). Therefore, pure KCl is 39.09/(39.09 + 35.45) = 52% potassium and 48% chlorine by weight. Its K value is therefore 52/0.83 = 63; that is, a fertilizer that gets all its potassium from K2O and has the same potassium contents as pure KCl would have to be 63% K2O. Pure KCl fertilizer would thus be labeled 0-0-63. Since sylvite contains other compounds that contribute no N, P, or K, it is usually labeled 0-0-60.
 
If you were aiming for that 1-2-3 ratio for NPK, you're actually wanting the elemental ppm ratio to be 1-2-3? Right?
The ratios are: total N-p2o5-k2o

So fertilizer ratios are basically the ratios by mass of Nitrogen-Phosphate-Potash thus a 10-30-20 would elementally be more like 10-(30 x 0.436=13.08)-(20 x 0.83 = 16.6) or 10-13-16.6 elementally.

To make things more complicated, Nitrogen comes in two sources. In the US fertilizers are usually marked with percentage of N from ammoniacal nitrogen and N from urea nitrogen, sometimes water insoluble nitrogen too. The total nitrogen is whats used in the N-P-K and the ammoniacal nitrogen is quick release/gets into the plant easier/is stronger, urea nitrogen is slower release... Thus, usually the ammoniacal nitrogen number is the smaller portion of the total nitrogen.

So the macronutrient ratios we use fertilizers and elemental ratios are two different animals but understanding the percentages for the phosphate (k2o) and potassium oxide (potash p2o5) allows us to mimic the N-P-K ratio we want by simply converting.

Hope all that helps, thats about all I got. lol
 
10-30-20
1-3-2

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If I have PPM numbers, this is what I use to reverse calc the NPK % ratio.
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For example, someone is running NPK ppm of 100/50/200 and I want to figure out the NPK % ratio.
1 : 1.15 : 2.4
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You have to diddle the numbers you enter into the calc on the top and left, until the ppm on the right matches your target.
 
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like npk = n : ( total n/total p ) : (total p/ total k)
is that how you arrived at your percentages?
So fertilizer ratios are basically the ratios by mass of Nitrogen-Phosphate-Potash thus a 10-30-20 would elementally be more like 10-(30 x 0.436=13.08)-(20 x 0.83 = 16.6) or 10-13-16.6

N = 10
P = 30 x 0.436
K = 20 x 0.83
 
So fertilizer ratios are basically the ratios by mass of Nitrogen-Phosphate-Potash thus a 10-30-20 would elementally be more like 10-(30 x 0.436=13.08)-(20 x 0.83 = 16.6) or 10-13-16.6

N = 10
P = 30 x 0.436
K = 20 x 0.83
thank you, I love the math its just hard to learn via text had to reread all that 3 or 4 times
 
the .43 and .83 are because the elemetal weight of those elements is split between multiple things correct?

of 30 only 43% is P
of 20 only 83% is K

in purest form
yes.
  • P2O5 consists of 56.4% elemental oxygen and 43.6% elemental phosphorus by weight. Therefore, the elemental phosphorus percentage of a fertilizer is 0.436 times its P value.
  • K2O consists of 17% oxygen and 83% elemental potassium by weight. Therefore, the elemental potassium percentage is 0.83 times the K value.
 
Also, if you have elemental numbers and wish to convert it to the "standard" N-P-K values used on packaging for comparison sake, you can divide the elemental #'s by the conversion percentages.

So if you have a mix that has these elemental #'s

N =120 mg/l
P = 90 mg/l
K = 200 mg/l

N = 120
P = 90 / 0.436
K = 200 / 0.83

thus:

N = 120
P = 206
K = 241

thus we can round it and factor it down by say 10

N = 12
P = 20.6
K = 24.1

12-20.6-24.1

or by a factor of 100

N-P-K = 1.2-2-2.4
 
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