This is what happens when politics go one sided

Flowki

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He does claim to be left but in this country that is as good as saying ''I'm not racist'' because that is what the right is falsely boxed up as these days. His morals and actions show a true balanced stance. To have that stance makes this man a hero considering where he was raised and how he has been treat, could easily have went culturally extremist.

Any thriving country needs elements of true left and elements of true right socially and economically in order to productively function long term, regardless of being a true dictatorship or democracy. What this mans life and country events describe is a blatant cultural shift to a far left mine field of ''not offending minority's'' for what I can only assume is intentional or opportunist political gain/preservation. If it shifts hard enough as it did the economy also suffers. However leaving the EU for example was a much needed right swing back toward central. The free movement of people may be the hippy love thing to do but it does not help a country's economy or social structure thus will suffer long term.

The left elements to this is that yes, mixed religious or minority's are more than welcome in a regulated fashion. The right side is that no, you can not disrespect the country's laws/traditions or else get the fuck out, now. We have swept the right under the carpet and many people have died or had life long trauma as a result. Ignore the right and the left gets even more left, the old left becomes the new right and is not strong enough to keep the new left in check. The same happens if you go right and forget the left.. economic dictatorship. We have that in bundles too.

The ideology of what true left and right is gone, although I personally have no anchored political stance because life is not that static and the scale keeps changing as a political play. The bench mark for true left and true right is as simple as this. Left is about helping the weak while right is about helping the strong BUT you need both dynamically. Anything more left or more right of that will create imbalance. ''lets tax all big corps by 40% and give it too the poor''.. extreme left, big business leaves, we earn less or pay more. ''Let's destroy free health care while people have little alternative'' .. extreme right, people die or live in pain.

Politicians (not all) are payed by crooked cleaver people. For example a far left move to ''open the borders'' is easily an agenda that can be capitalized on by far right for cheap foreign labor and short term income gains. It may even be the seed agenda of the far right but planted as a ''left'' move to ''save the world''. Unfortunately a good balanced party who dynamically addresses situations does not exist (at-least with a shot at winning). People are voting for the same left or right politics time and time again and our solutions to problems always wind up being left or right in nature (with lasting effects set in by law). Because of that we have to wait for situations like hundreds of children being raped or people dying in their own homes from hypothermia before anything gets done.. and it gets done very slowly.

Not sure if I had a over all point to make here, maybe just a rant. Well, maybe a decent true middle party will eventually come from all this extremity.. I could anchor to that.
 
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UncleBuck

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Flowki said:

He does claim to be left but in this country that is as good as saying ''I'm not racist'' because that is what the right is falsely boxed up as these days. His morals and actions show a true balanced stance. To have that stance makes this man a hero considering where he was raised and how he has been treat, could easily have went culturally extremist.

Any thriving country needs elements of true left and elements of true right socially and economically in order to productively function long term, regardless of being a true dictatorship or democracy. What this mans life and country events describe is a blatant cultural shift to a far left mine field of ''not offending minority's'' for what I can only assume is intentional or opportunist political gain/preservation. If it shifts hard enough as it did the economy also suffers. However leaving the EU for example was a much needed right swing back toward central. The free movement of people may be the hippy love thing to do but it does not help a country's economy or social structure thus will suffer long term.

The left elements to this is that yes, mixed religious or minority's are more than welcome in a regulated fashion. The right side is that no, you can not disrespect the country's laws/traditions or else get the fuck out, now. We have swept the right under the carpet and many people have died or had life long trauma as a result. Ignore the right and the left gets even more left, the old left becomes the new right and is not strong enough to keep the new left in check. The same happens if you go right and forget the left.. economic dictatorship. We have that in bundles too.

The ideology of what true left and right is gone, although I personally have no anchored political stance because life is not that static and the scale keeps changing as a political play. The bench mark for true left and true right is as simple as this. Left is about helping the weak while right is about helping the strong BUT you need both dynamically. Anything more left or more right of that will create imbalance. ''lets tax all big corps by 40% and give it too the poor''.. extreme left, big business leaves, we earn less or pay more. ''Let's destroy free health care while people have little alternative'' .. extreme right, people die or live in pain.

Politicians (not all) are payed by crooked cleaver people. For example a far left move to ''open the borders'' is easily an agenda that can be capitalized on by far right for cheap foreign labor and short term income gains. It may even be the seed agenda of the far right but planted as a ''left'' move to ''save the world''. Unfortunately a good balanced party who dynamically addresses situations does not exist (at-least with a shot at winning). People are voting for the same left or right politics time and time again and our solutions to problems always wind up being left or right in nature (with lasting effects set in by law). Because of that we have to wait for situations like hundreds of children being raped or people dying in their own homes from hypothermia before anything gets done.. and it gets done very slowly.

Not sure if I had a over all point to make here, maybe just a rant. Well, maybe a decent true middle party will eventually come from all this extremity.. I could anchor to that.
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the fella in your youtube video is a convicted felon who blames everything in life on muslim people.

he is thr founder of the EDL which harbors neo-nazis.

maybe find someone who isn;t a nazi when you make your crying "i'm not racist" diatribes, shrimp dick.
 
Flowki

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UncleBuck said:
the fella in your youtube video is a convicted felon who blames everything in life on muslim people.

he is thr founder of the EDL which harbors neo-nazis.

maybe find someone who isn;t a nazi when you make your crying "i'm not racist" diatribes, shrimp dick.
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I have dark skin and relatives of Muslim origin. Unlike you I don't depend on one sided mainstream media to form opinion. You bash youtube a lot but then you go on to reference CNN.

Any movement will always attract some undesirable extremists, it happened with feminist movement, black lives matter and so forth. If you took the time to watch the vid you'll have seen that when the minority Nazis showed they were not welcomed by EDL. They burnt the nazi flag in protest of it.. then the Nazi group burnt a EDL flag.

Tommy may not be the smartest academic and because he is a white British man it is easy to smear him with the nazi/racist brush. Ben Shapiro on the other hand, an academic Jewish man.. not so easy to smear him. Funny thing is, Tommy stated MANY times that it is only a minority of Muslims that are creating a problem, while back then Ben Shapiro was claiming it was actually far more that were in a position to become radicalized. We have seen the results of it and both men were correct.. the problem kept getting ignored and now kids have been blown up, vans mow down pedestrians, soldiers get cut up in their own towns and so on.


So here you go CNN informed smart arse.. this Jewish man is your perfect ''isn't a nazi'' and he is saying things were far worse than what Tommy suggested. He was right.. real life events have proved it.

But you keep on with your hippy love all is dandy lefty.. keep on calling anybody who questions a segment of a minority as a nazi racist.. and keep on facilitating the raping of children and brutal murders of innocent people so that you can sleep at night thinking you are a lefty nice person. I'd rather be branded a racist than facilitate those monsters.
 
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zeddd

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Btw Luton was a laughed about shithole before cultural diversity improved life there, like trump he is talking about a nostalgia for a time which never existed. We’ve gone from tinned beef and boiled cabbage to amazing Asian cuisine, from structural racism to multiculturalism. Tommy is too young to remember the Luton I knew so he makes shit up, wanker
 
UncleBuck

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Flowki said:
I have dark skin and relatives of Muslim origin. Unlike you I don't depend on one sided mainstream media to form opinion. You bash youtube a lot but then you go on to reference CNN.

Any movement will always attract some undesirable extremists, it happened with feminist movement, black lives matter and so forth. If you took the time to watch the vid you'll have seen that when the minority Nazis showed they were not welcomed by EDL. They burnt the nazi flag in protest of it.. then the Nazi group burnt a EDL flag.

Tommy may not be the smartest academic and because he is a white British man it is easy to smear him with the nazi/racist brush. Ben Shapiro on the other hand, an academic Jewish man.. not so easy to smear him. Funny thing is, Tommy stated MANY times that it is only a minority of Muslims that are creating a problem, while back then Ben Shapiro was claiming it was actually far more that were in a position to become radicalized. We have seen the results of it and both men were correct.. the problem kept getting ignored and now kids have been blown up, vans mow down pedestrians, soldiers get cut up in their own towns and so on.


So here you go CNN informed smart arse.. this Jewish man is your perfect ''isn't a nazi'' and he is saying things were far worse than what Tommy suggested. He was right.. real life events have proved it.

But you keep on with your hippy love all is dandy lefty.. keep on calling anybody who questions a segment of a minority as a nazi racist.. and keep on facilitating the raping of children and brutal murders of innocent people so that you can sleep at night thinking you are a lefty nice person. I'd rather be branded a racist than facilitate those monsters.
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well, you've moved on from citing a cause that literally attracts fucking nazis to it to citing ben shapiro, who was once a writer for the neo-nazi publication known as 'breitbart'.

you are a fucking nazi clown bitch.

if you are worried about raping of children, move to alaska. it is overwhelmingly white there, and it is the rape and pedophilia capital of the world. worried about brutal murders of innocent people? move to any red state in the united states: they have the most horrific rates of gun violence and gun deaths, and again are overwhelmingly white.

otherwise, just shut the fuck up and don't bring up movements like feminism and black lives matter, which never attract the nazi following that your beloved EDL does, you ragged nazi bitch.
 
Flowki

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zeddd said:
Btw Luton was a laughed about shithole before cultural diversity improved life there, like trump he is talking about a nostalgia for a time which never existed. We’ve gone from tinned beef and boiled cabbage to amazing Asian cuisine, from structural racism to multiculturalism. Tommy is too young to remember the Luton I knew so he makes shit up, wanker
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Blocking of diversity is not the issue here.. don't make it about that it's not the point at all. I come from mixed heritage, we fully integrated and have always been welcome where I live by almost all, in my immediate area 99% are white. Don't brush aside the problem with trivial talks of food. In this country certain areas have a problem of lack of integration leading to a ''country within a country''. I am not saying it is the minority's fault.. maybe they didn't feel welcome, maybe they did but would rather stick with their own. Either way it's a problem and no matter who is at blame it needs addressing. How can we live together in peace, understanding and respect if we don't truly live together?. You know in many areas this is true.. and it's not good. It is harder to radicalize a person when they are invested in the people they are being trained to hate. How can they create strong bonds with us that have a better chance of resisting radicalization if they live only with their own people?. Further more, how can we notice when these people may be turning if we don't even know who they are, personally.

Certain Jewish settlements I live near by also keep them selves to themselves but the difference is (although not ideal) they do not have violent factions within that community that are committing terrorist or violent acts through radicalization. That's not to say crimes are not being committed in or around Jewish community's but the level of crime is an obvious difference.

We do not push for true integration and we allow these community's to become religious/racial ghetto areas where radicalization has an easier foot hold. A lot of this is the governments fault with poor integration policy, racism/lack of will for minority's to mix also played it's part. But the answer is not to ignore and allow segregation. I and other family members ofc suffered racial attack over life times of interactions but in a world of free will and opinion/conviction what do you expect. In this country a ''racist attack'' is actually quite trivial in most cases when you look around the world at what else happens. We are way more civil on the whole, even in hatred. Your push over views demonstrate the other end of that.. in that a segment of a religious group has almost free reign to radicalize people to commit violent crime on us.. but as long as that doesn't effect you while chomping on a cuisine right?.
 
Flowki

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UncleBuck said:
well, you've moved on from citing a cause that literally attracts fucking nazis to it to citing ben shapiro, who was once a writer for the neo-nazi publication known as 'breitbart'.

you are a fucking nazi clown bitch.

if you are worried about raping of children, move to alaska. it is overwhelmingly white there, and it is the rape and pedophilia capital of the world. worried about brutal murders of innocent people? move to any red state in the united states: they have the most horrific rates of gun violence and gun deaths, and again are overwhelmingly white.

otherwise, just shut the fuck up and don't bring up movements like feminism and black lives matter, which never attract the nazi following that your beloved EDL does, you ragged nazi bitch.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/ben-shapiros-messy-breakup-with-breitbart.html

Ironically this link open the gate to describing you perfectly... you are the definition of alt left and no better than the nazis

alt-left
1) People, who ban other's freedom of speech, because they feel "uncomfortable" hearing different opinions.
2) People, who physically assault other individuals, and damage both public and private property in the name of "peace" and "love".
3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
 
UncleBuck

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Flowki said:
The alt-left is strong in this one.

Ready for a grown up conversation when ever you are.
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in order to have a conversation you'd have to have something worth saying.

all you are here to do is demonize muslim people and use them as a scapegoat for all the shittiness in your pathetic racist life.

why not tell us more about how your cause attracts nazis?
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Flowki said:
Blocking of diversity is not the issue here.. don't make it about that it's not the point at all. I come from mixed heritage, we fully integrated and have always been welcome where I live by almost all, in my immediate area 99% are white. Don't brush aside the problem with trivial talks of food. In this country certain areas have a problem of lack of integration leading to a ''country within a country''. I am not saying it is the minority's fault.. maybe they didn't feel welcome, maybe they did but would rather stick with their own. Either way it's a problem and no matter who is at blame it needs addressing. How can we live together in peace, understanding and respect if we don't truly live together?. You know in many areas this is true.. and it's not good. It is harder to radicalize a person when they are invested in the people they are being trained to hate. How can they create strong bonds with us that have a better chance of resisting radicalization if they live only with their own people?. Further more, how can we notice when these people may be turning if we don't even know who they are, personally.

Certain Jewish settlements I live near by also keep them selves to themselves but the difference is (although not ideal) they do not have violent factions within that community that are committing terrorist or violent acts through radicalization. That's not to say crimes are not being committed in or around Jewish community's but the level of crime is an obvious difference.

We do not push for true integration and we allow these community's to become religious/racial ghetto areas where radicalization has an easier foot hold. A lot of this is the governments fault with poor integration policy, racism/lack of will for minority's to mix also played it's part. But the answer is not to ignore and allow segregation. I and other family members ofc suffered racial attack over life times of interactions but in a world of free will and opinion/conviction what do you expect. In this country a ''racist attack'' is actually quite trivial in most cases when you look around the world at what else happens. We are way more civil on the whole, even in hatred. Your push over views demonstrate the other end of that.. in that a segment of a religious group has almost free reign to radicalize people to commit violent crime on us.. but as long as that doesn't effect you while chomping on a cuisine right?.
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Fukin windbag
 
Flowki

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UncleBuck said:
in order to have a conversation you'd have to have something worth saying.

all you are here to do is demonize muslim people and use them as a scapegoat for all the shittiness in your pathetic racist life.

why not tell us more about how your cause attracts nazis?
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alt-left
1) People, who ban other's freedom of speech, because they feel "uncomfortable" hearing different opinions.
2) People, who physically assault other individuals, and damage both public and private property in the name of "peace" and "love".
3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
 
UncleBuck

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Flowki said:
Automated response:

Dear alt-left troll, please refrain from braking the below rules should you wish to partake in adult conversation.

alt-left
1) People, who ban other's freedom of speech, because they feel "uncomfortable" hearing different opinions.
2) People, who physically assault other individuals, and damage both public and private property in the name of "peace" and "love".
3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
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no one is trying to limit your freedom of speech or assault you, we're just pointing out that you're a pants-shitting, muslim hating bigot whose cause literally attracts nazis to it.
 
Flowki

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UncleBuck said:
no one is trying to limit your freedom of speech or assault you, we're just pointing out that you're a pants-shitting, muslim hating bigot whose cause literally attracts nazis to it.
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Dear alt-left troll, please refrain from braking the below rules should you wish to partake in adult conversation.

alt-left
1) People, who ban other's freedom of speech, because they feel "uncomfortable" hearing different opinions.
2) People, who physically assault other individuals, and damage both public and private property in the name of "peace" and "love".
3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
 
UncleBuck

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Flowki said:
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Dear alt-left troll, please refrain from braking the below rules should you wish to partake in adult conversation.

alt-left
1) People, who ban other's freedom of speech, because they feel "uncomfortable" hearing different opinions.
2) People, who physically assault other individuals, and damage both public and private property in the name of "peace" and "love".
3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
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no one is trying to limit your freedom of speech or assault you, we're just pointing out that you're a pants-shitting, muslim hating bigot whose cause literally attracts nazis to it.
 
Flowki

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UncleBuck said:
no one is trying to limit your freedom of speech or assault you, we're just pointing out that you're a pants-shitting, muslim hating bigot whose cause literally attracts nazis to it.
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Oh I have no doubt by your attitude that if we met you would attempt to achieve 1 by using 2 to retain 3. I genuinely hope you are a troll because your hateful ignorant labeling of anything that is not under your alt-left dream world as alt-right.. shouts out that you have suffered badly at the hands of somebody who was alt-right. Probably a mix of both since trolls are damaged goods too. Still, I hope you find peace, truly. Until then

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3) People, who care more about their selfish desires and arrogant views than about the country they live in.
 
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