Transplant shock or something more serious?

The Growery

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48 hours ago I transplanted my veg plants from a promix container that was phing at 5.6-5.8 using dyna gro nutes. The night before transplant I gave each plant a cup of compost tea from a local grow store, the following morning they were perking up. Later that afternoon I decided to transplant all the veg plants into a new organic soil mix, reason for this was to correct the soil ph issues immediately and to build a base I could add compost tea to without the ph dropping to 5.6

the soil mix they were transplanted into was a 1:1:1 ratio of roots organic original soil, promix bx and perlite. I also added calcitic lime to the mix to bring the ph of the soil to 6.6, here is a pic of the lime's guaranteed analysis:

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Only thing that is concerning about the lime is that it has a high calcium content. Was wondering if this would cause magnesium to lockout?

The transplant method:

I'm trying to be as specific as possible and not leave any variables out there for those who are inclined to help me out, my apologies for the lengthy post. When I was transplanting, the plants had only been in their current containers for a few days and thus it was not hard to knock away all of the promix off the roots. Once all of the old promix was taken off the roots, the plant would then be replanted into the same container (half gallon pot) using the new roots organic/promix ph'd soil blend and watered with 1 cup of 6.6pH water. I did this for all the plants in veg.

The next morning the plants were all looking great, praying leaves and great looking new growth sites. Well it has been a couple days since that transplant and all the plants seem to be taking a turn for the worse.

Here are some pics of various plants in my garden, what do you think is going on? I'm at a loss. My plan right now is to just let them sit for a while, wait for them to use up all the water in their pots and then give em all a cup of compost tea.

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I'm assuming that these pics are from post-transplant, right?

If so, they really don't look that bad to me. Are you concerned about the leafs cupping downwards and not reaching up towards the light? I'd give it a few more days before I'd get concerned. My plants always take a few days to adjust to a transplant. I'd give them a couple more waterings with ph adjusted water and see where they stand by Monday or so. This could be due to the minor fluctuation in ph that they just went through.

I wouldn't sweat it.
 
I can see the evidence of the pH issue due to ProMix . From my experience its best to keep promix at 6.2-6.5 unless adding Dolomite Lime , then one can run a lower Ph with feeds . Calcitic lime can create problems in the long haul especially if it is Hydrated ..

As well , the plants shown have signs over watering ( Thick leathery leaves ) as well as over all droopiness .. It looks like in all of your attempts to maintain them that you stressed & shocked them a bit , but this can be remedied easily within a short time
 
My plants used to get crazy leaf droop and that weird curl after I would transplant, especially in soil, but I found out I was using way to much water when I would water after my transplants. I would def wait a few days before doing anything. What's your source of mg?
 
I probably messed up watering em too many times while transplanting them twice in the span of four days. every time I transplanted I added a cup of water. thank you guys so much for the help, something so obvious yet when I experience it I am flabbergasted lol. thanks again guys. I'll give it some time, raised the lights to 18" above the plants and put em on a 18/6 cycle to help with stress. I'm using SEA 90 minerals for cal/mag and other trace things. I'm wondering if that will boost the calcium to too high of a level since I'm using lime to up the soil ph or is that a non issue? The pots wiegh about a 3/4 pound, water in there for sure, probably won't water them for 4-6 days. Stowandgrow: I am concerned about the spindly new growth
 
Right now I've got a few plants in tlo soil, they are in 3 gal pots and i only watered twice in 2 weeks after my transplants and put in less than half a gal a pot.
 
Hey guys, I'm still having spindly growth issues on the same plants that were transplanted in the original post, also the leaf ends are curling downwards, I have not watered since last thursday and the pots still have a bit of water in them. Should I just ride it out or is there something I can do? I've tried doing a AACT foliar and it didn't seem to help. Some of the larger plants have rebounded finally, I assume it's just b/c they are clones they are having a hard time adjusting?
 
Are the clones in the same size pot as the large plants? It's prob because the large plants have established more roots and they take more water.
 
After a bit of reading and research and talking to other brewers it turns out the compost tea I was using was way too concentrated (2200 ppm). I didn't think this was a problem since I had read that you can't over apply compost tea but I am guessing an over concentrated brew could give signs of over nutrients. My question is should I flush them all with some fresh water to leech out these extra nutes? My plants seem to have gotten worse since last week, growth has halted and all leaves are curled downward, new growth is still coming in spindly, only a couple strains (sour diesel and bubba kush) seem unaffected by the strong dosage of tea.
 
After a bit of reading and research and talking to other brewers it turns out the compost tea I was using was way too concentrated (2200 ppm). I didn't think this was a problem since I had read that you can't over apply compost tea but I am guessing an over concentrated brew could give signs of over nutrients. My question is should I flush them all with some fresh water to leech out these extra nutes? My plants seem to have gotten worse since last week, growth has halted and all leaves are curled downward, new growth is still coming in spindly, only a couple strains (sour diesel and bubba kush) seem unaffected by the strong dosage of tea.

leaf curling down is almost always over nute. I had this problem and fixed it. Wait till the pots are SUPER dry, but do not let them droop. Give them PH'd adjusted water for a week or two and then ease them into nutes. Start at 500ppm, then 750ppm and so on.

I have had this problem numerous times. It may take longer then you think to get them back, do not get discouraged and try giving them more food though. Patience is key.
 
leaf curling down is almost always over nute. I had this problem and fixed it. Wait till the pots are SUPER dry, but do not let them droop. Give them PH'd adjusted water for a week or two and then ease them into nutes. Start at 500ppm, then 750ppm and so on.

I have had this problem numerous times. It may take longer then you think to get them back, do not get discouraged and try giving them more food though. Patience is key.

thanks man, just gonna let it ride it out. had a strong urge to flush all of them with fresh water but held off in lieu of advice here, it's just so damn frustrating 4 months ago I had a booming veg garden now it's just meh.
 
thanks man, just gonna let it ride it out. had a strong urge to flush all of them with fresh water but held off in lieu of advice here, it's just so damn frustrating 4 months ago I had a booming veg garden now it's just meh.

They will be fine man. Flushing will slow the recovery IMO. Just let them dry out real nice and give them PHd water.
 
There is no such thing as overwatering after a transplant, unless your soil mix sucks and retains too much water. That a different problem in itself.

You should always water immediately before transplanting and immediately after transplanting, you want to soak them good.

If you are getting "shock" from transplanting then you are either tearing up the roots too much or putting them into a soil with a way different ph or something. I have transplanted a lot of cannabis and I have never had one even start to droop. Hell I have had all the dirt come off the root ball a couple times and just stuck the roots in the new dirt like spaghetti noodles, watered the fuck out of them and they never got shocked.

You guys are fucking up some how, somewhere to cause this.
 
There is no such thing as overwatering after a transplant, unless your soil mix sucks and retains too much water. That a different problem in itself.

You should always water immediately before transplanting and immediately after transplanting, you want to soak them good.

If you are getting "shock" from transplanting then you are either tearing up the roots too much or putting them into a soil with a way different ph or something. I have transplanted a lot of cannabis and I have never had one even start to droop. Hell I have had all the dirt come off the root ball a couple times and just stuck the roots in the new dirt like spaghetti noodles, watered the fuck out of them and they never got shocked.

You guys are fucking up some how, somewhere to cause this.

I've narrowed down the problem to too concentrated of a compost tea, was using 2200 ppm compost tea, found out it's about 9x stronger than it needed to be. I agree about transplanting, I used to not have problems with transplanting but with all this new organic stuff to figure out I'm making some pretty basic beginner mistakes. seems to be a combination of too strong of tea and different soil ph (went from a 5.8 promix to a 6.6 ph soil blend), thanks for the suggestions stump.
 
I've narrowed down the problem to too concentrated of a compost tea, was using 2200 ppm compost tea, found out it's about 9x stronger than it needed to be. I agree about transplanting, I used to not have problems with transplanting but with all this new organic stuff to figure out I'm making some pretty basic beginner mistakes. seems to be a combination of too strong of tea and different soil ph (went from a 5.8 promix to a 6.6 ph soil blend), thanks for the suggestions stump.

I'm trying my hand at organics for the first time right now. It is proving to be a bit of a pain in the dick. Like anything else there is a learning curve with it, but I have my synthetic regiment dialed in so well that I'm kinda frustrated seeing some plants not respond so well, and me scratching my head over how to address it.

I hope that the taste/smell/potency of my organic batch blows my mind, because I'm not too excited over the idea of re-inventing the wheel only to end up with mediocre meds that were difficult to grow.
 
I'm trying my hand at organics for the first time right now. It is proving to be a bit of a pain in the dick. Like anything else there is a learning curve with it, but I have my synthetic regiment dialed in so well that I'm kinda frustrated seeing some plants not respond so well, and me scratching my head over how to address it.

I hope that the taste/smell/potency of my organic batch blows my mind, because I'm not too excited over the idea of re-inventing the wheel only to end up with mediocre meds that were difficult to grow.

I hear you there big time stow, frustrated is an understatement but thank god for resources like this otherwise I'de be suicidal right now
 
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