Troubleshooting for eternity. First grow.

LunarVera · Jan 5, 2021

I am a new grower and I have been obsessively researching and growing for about 2 months now. I will try to attach as much information and details as possible to get your inputs.

Light - 1000w cool tube mh 24/0
Canopy Average Temp/RH - 77/42
Tent Average Temp 70
Soil - 80% FFOF/ 20% Perlite
Amendments - 90g dolomite lime per 4-5 gallon soil
Water - distilled water 6.5ish ph I think
All femenized seeds are different strains with accepting to one autoflower plant.

I have had dropping issues for one month, rust spots, chlorosis etc. I thought it was a lockout before, flushed and nothing came of it. Decided to transplant and 2/3 of the girls have finally been perking up a bit, this is the healthiest they have ever looked sadly. They are absolutely growing still, but I feel like they are just chugging along. I'm scared to flip the 3 girls into flower because I feel lost on what I'm suppose to do the bring them to health prior to flipping. I transplanted them 10 days ago, the three girls came from 1 gallons to 5, and all the small ones came from solos. I will post pictures, I know I have forgot something so please interrogate me.
I will love updating from first to last of oldest to newest photos. I will post more recent after upload

LunarVera · Jan 5, 2021

I feel like I'm battling a stupid issue at this point. Or maybe rust fungus?

LunarVera · Jan 5, 2021

Few hours ago I foliate sprayed with some calmag, and Fed some Humboldts secret golden tree hoping that this is caused from not having micronutrients in the water, I used half tap half distilled as well. I hope I didn't jump to a conclusion too soon, feels like I've ran out of options at this point.

LunarVera · Jan 5, 2021

Anyone?

green_machine_two9er · Jan 5, 2021

Don’t panic! It’s not horrible. Your on to something with distilled water. I would try tap or at least a calmg supplement going forward.

are you on city or well water?

honestly fresh castings would be my first step here. Top dress it mixed into slurry snd wattered in.

are you trying to feed something in flower? Otherwise top dressing now would be vital now withamendments. Under the castings.

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

I will be going organic, giving compost/fungal teas etc. Will the nitrogen in the calmag plus be a problem? Will I be okay to foliage feed calmag possible everyday? Or should I try to give them in the next water feeding. Also I am using city tap water, it's not very hard, I think 250ppm around 6-7ph iirc. If you're recommending a EWC top dress I can do that maybe with some amendments? Althought they were transplanted 10 days ago and there should be plenty of nutrition in the soil, I reckon attempting the calmag foliage feeding for a few days to see if there is any correction and then attempting the EWC? What do you think.

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

Currently, 3 large ladies perky but droopy as well. All the 1 gallon ladies have stood up and have clearly taken in some nitrogen aswell possibly from the calmag plus foliage feed from prior.

Rurumo · Jan 6, 2021

What are your watering practices like?

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

I still can't get down the watering, I feel as if I over water or under water. I wait until it's dry on the top but then I can't judge if the soil is moist like, or wet or just right. I am going to go buy a soil hygrometer to check for moisture today, so I can make sure it isn't over or underwatering. Usually 2-3 times a week? 5 gallon pots are getting 1 gallon ATM, and the 1 gallon pots are getting until runoff, but I cant figure out when I should and shouldn't water because I can't correctly read the plants when they are constantly sad already. I need to water each of them to their individual needs and I feel a moisture meter will help me.

Bukvičák · Jan 6, 2021

LunarVera said:
I still can't get down the watering, I feel as if I over water or under water. I wait until it's dry on the top but then I can't judge if the soil is moist like, or wet or just right. I am going to go buy a soil hygrometer to check for moisture today, so I can make sure it isn't over or underwatering. Usually 2-3 times a week? 5 gallon pots are getting 1 gallon ATM, and the 1 gallon pots are getting until runoff, but I cant figure out when I should and shouldn't water because I can't correctly read the plants when they are constantly sad already. I need to water each of them to their individual needs and I feel a moisture meter will help me.

I do not know which one you are planning to buy, but I have tried that cheapos and would not reccomend that. You can water, stick it inside and it jumps to the very right side means wet everthing OK. After few hours left in soil it says moist and at the end of the day its in red means dry. Everytime you want to know how its going you need to make a new holes and I am not personaly a fan of cracking root sounds. Its much more easier and accurate do it by “lifting” the pot. You can also scale it if you are not sure but I think you will figure it out really fast. Also see you have fabric pots. I was struglin with watering also since I started to use them. Problem is they are drying fast on the sides while in the midlle of the rootbal is still more than enough moist. Everytime I think they are about to water (when they are under the net and can not be lifted and being determine by the putting fingers inside) giving them one more day shown to work great. Only downside is when you are watering than, you need to water good because lot of water just flow sideways because of the gap between the rootbal and the fabric. Good luck!

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

I appreciate the help, my scrog net will be going up very soon I will purchase a random soil moisture meter, but i I will also try my best at detecting the moisture levels of my soil via finger because I cannot weigh,. when I stick my finger in the soil several inches down. Should the soil be as dry as the pots surface that is crumbly or sort of like a fresh bag of fresh new moist'ish soil? If this is due to chronic overwatering, how long should it take for the plants to become comfortable again if I correct the issue. I am going to feed tap water my next few feedings aswell juuuust incase.

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

I may have been so scared of overwatering, that I have been letting the soil dry out too much between watering, this is usually when I water.

green_machine_two9er · Jan 6, 2021

LunarVera said:
I appreciate the help, my scrog net will be going up very soon I will purchase a random soil moisture meter, but i I will also try my best at detecting the moisture levels of my soil via finger because I cannot weigh,. when I stick my finger in the soil several inches down. Should the soil be as dry as the pots surface that is crumbly or sort of like a fresh bag of fresh new moist'ish soil? If this is due to chronic overwatering, how long should it take for the plants to become comfortable again if I correct the issue. I am going to feed tap water my next few feedings aswell juuuust incase.

Soil grows are more productive with consistent moistures levels. Maybe try every day with very little volume of water, couple cups. Keep the soil moist, not wet. Having the layer of castings on top not only provides instant nutrients, including ca and iron; But boost microhere. And creates a moist lock on top of your containers. Which will help with your watering practices.

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

You guys have been more then helpful, thank you very much, I will apply several of these methods and tips and I will update when i can see some changes.

Topshelfruns · Jan 6, 2021

LunarVera said:
I am a new grower and I have been obsessively researching and growing for about 2 months now. I will try to attach as much information and details as possible to get your inputs.

Light - 1000w cool tube mh 24/0
Canopy Average Temp/RH - 77/42
Tent Average Temp 70
Soil - 80% FFOF/ 20% Perlite
Amendments - 90g dolomite lime per 4-5 gallon soil
Water - distilled water 6.5ish ph I think
All femenized seeds are different strains with accepting to one autoflower plant.

I have had dropping issues for one month, rust spots, chlorosis etc. I thought it was a lockout before, flushed and nothing came of it. Decided to transplant and 2/3 of the girls have finally been perking up a bit, this is the healthiest they have ever looked sadly. They are absolutely growing still, but I feel like they are just chugging along. I'm scared to flip the 3 girls into flower because I feel lost on what I'm suppose to do the bring them to health prior to flipping. I transplanted them 10 days ago, the three girls came from 1 gallons to 5, and all the small ones came from solos. I will post pictures, I know I have forgot something so please interrogate me.
I will love updating from first to last of oldest to newest photos. I will post more recent after upload

I wish i could help but i quit soil / Fox Farms about 9 or 10 years ago i use rockwool / hydroton these days as my media and trust me its a higher performing media.
My 2 cents your having problems because you don't have a proper nutrient regimen.
May i ask why you are choosing too go organic / soil only? Just curious

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

Topshelfruns said:
I wish i could help but i quit soil / Fox Farms about 9 or 10 years ago i use rockwool / hydroton these days as my media and trust me its a higher performing media.
My 2 cents your having problems because you don't have a proper nutrient regimen.
May i ask why you are choosing too go organic / soil only? Just curious

It appeals to me, not sure why. I find it blissful to care for a plant in soil I suppose. I may try out a DWC experiment in the near future if I feel adventurous. I am very happy to let the soil do its own thing and be a passenger who points the plant to its destination, and periodically filling the gas

Topshelfruns · Jan 6, 2021

LunarVera said:
It appeals to me, not sure why. I find it blissful to care for a plant in soil I suppose. I may try out a DWC experiment in the near future if I feel adventurous. I am very happy to let the soil do its own thing and be a passenger who points the plant to its destination, and periodically filling the gas

I love your response!.
Im positive that some soil growers out there produce straight fire!
But when i grew in soil i could never get my end quality were i wanted it too be.(prob cuz i suck)
So i wish you the best of luck sir!
Also dwc sounds fun but i would suggest a drain too waste setup, Using rockwool grow cubes and hydroton as your media

Faceless#1 · Jan 6, 2021

Topshelfruns said:
I love your response!.
Im positive that some soil growers out there produce straight fire!
But when i grew in soil i could never get my end quality were i wanted it too be.(prob cuz i suck)
So i wish you the best of luck sir!
Also dwc sounds fun but i would suggest a drain too waste setup, Using rockwool grow cubes and hydroton as your media

DWC is a Drain to Waste Collector. I second your opinion that the OP's problem is from over watering but curious to know the strength of the cal-mag foliar spray that he is using. The brownish burn spots on the leaves looks like calcium deficiency.

LunarVera · Jan 6, 2021

Faceless#1 said:
DWC is a Drain to Waste Collector. I second your opinion that the OP's problem is from over watering but curious to know the strength of the cal-mag foliar spray that he is using. The brownish burn spots on the leaves looks like calcium deficiency.

What makes you suggest overwatering? Also I am giving the suggested dosage for calmag plus foliage dosage from their website, I can't remember from the top of my head but I can update shortly.

Also doesn't DWC stand for : Deep Water Culture?

Topshelfruns · Jan 6, 2021

LunarVera said:
What makes you suggest overwatering? Also I am giving the suggested dosage for calmag plus foliage dosage from their website, I can't remember from the top of my head but I can update shortly.

Okay so you are using a cal mag supplement? Can you please tell me what nutrient regimen you are using? If your just using cal mag that is not enough. So i second the nutrient deficiency issue! I don't grow in soil but cal mag alone is not enough!

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