what the big deal with fogger

smartbadguy

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is it new?? what dose it do? and how it works? or dose anyone know there a link to about it?? i wanna play around with led mixin with cfl see if it worth it, but i stick with my hm for now until i get pay. but i wanna learn how to maintin and make an fogger.
 

johnny5fingers

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Well the fogger creates a moist atmosphere to grow the plant. The problem is.......a decent fogger is very expensive and its questionable whether it can work with large plants.
LED's also is not there yet for doing serious growing.
A decent LED setup is very expensive.........500 or 600 dollars for something that may only grow marginal plants.
Most people stay with the tried and true. At least until a new system is properly field tested.
Good luck
 

d420c

Active Member
You can get a UFO led light from hid hut for 600 dollars, they use 1 watt leds (92 of them) mixing a few blues into mostly red, I liked it at first until I turned on my 600 hps and couldn't even tell it was on. They r now putting out a 3 watt led system but it only has around 52 or so leds and in pics it still doesn't seem to put out much light and is still 595, I would stick with the tried and true like johnny5fingers says.
 

smartbadguy

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maybe i forget about the led for now. well i was thinkin gettin some fogger off ebay and make a cloning unit then try them for veggin cuz i seen some where they claim to produce 14 pounds in a 1bed room apt. im gonna try it out startin this saturday when i have time
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Ultrasonic foggers are kinda cool- I've played with a few in an aerocloner and an aeroponic watering system for flowering plants a few years back. Unfortunately, they don't live long in nute solutions. The vibration of the piezoelectric diaphragm seems to cause nutrients to come out of solution and crystallise on the diaphragm after a few weeks use. This increases the mass of the diaphragm and eventually causes it to stop vibrating, halting mist production.

Most people stay with the tried and true.
Smart people do, anyway. You can always tell the noob in the crowd- forever trying questionable and experimental things in a grow and later complaining that they've got no buds to smoke... shock, horror, surprise! :D

This much I'll tell ya- when the 'next big thing' in dope growing comes around, it won't be noobs discovering it. It'll be the well experienced growers who can sort the wheat from the chaff.

There's a very good reason why you see the big producing growers on here using the methods they do- it's because they work!
 

grandpabear3

New Member
here,here, my good man. hey al i wanna grow an 8 pound harvest s.o.g. style with led's for my fogponic cloner and 2000w flouros for my 6 month veg and to top it all of i heard maglite flashlights are the best for flowering....any thoughts?
 

NorCalGrower

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Ultrasonic foggers are kinda cool- I've played with a few in an aerocloner and an aeroponic watering system for flowering plants a few years back. Unfortunately, they don't live long in nute solutions. The vibration of the piezoelectric diaphragm seems to cause nutrients to come out of solution and crystallise on the diaphragm after a few weeks use. This increases the mass of the diaphragm and eventually causes it to stop vibrating, halting mist production.



Smart people do, anyway. You can always tell the noob in the crowd- forever trying questionable and experimental things in a grow and later complaining that they've got no buds to smoke... shock, horror, surprise! :D

This much I'll tell ya- when the 'next big thing' in dope growing comes around, it won't be noobs discovering it. It'll be the well experienced growers who can sort the wheat from the chaff.

There's a very good reason why you see the big producing growers on here using the methods they do- it's because they work!
AL,
I have heard quite often of this problem when using a nute solution in the nebulizer. What do you think of running an aeroponic nute solution and foging them with RO water (eliminating your nute clog problem)? Do you think this would be anywhere near beneficial? Conceptually, i really like where fogponics is headed and i would love to get my feet wet, or foggy, however you look at it. Any info is appreciated.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
here,here, my good man. hey al i wanna grow an 8 pound harvest s.o.g. style with led's for my fogponic cloner and 2000w flouros for my 6 month veg and to top it all of i heard maglite flashlights are the best for flowering....any thoughts?
Yes- use Duracells in the maglites... and get your order for buds placed with the local dope dealer WELL in advance to beat the rush from the jokers flowering with glow-in-the-dark watch dials. :lol:

AL,
What do you think of running an aeroponic nute solution and foging them with RO water (eliminating your nute clog problem)?
Unfortunately, the nutrients themselves are the problem with piezoelectric ultrasonic foggers. Won't matter if you use distilled/RO water or make your own water out of H & O you happen to have lying around. ;)

If you want to do aero, make your mist with an air stone or bubble curtain in a tank of nutes where the water level is well below the roots. The air bubbles breaking the water's surface makes a very fine mist and the nutes don't clog up a bubble curtain nearly as quickly as they do foggers, but they still need a scrub with a stiff bristle brush every couple of weeks.
 

AdReNaLiNeRuSh

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Smart people do, anyway. You can always tell the noob in the crowd- forever trying questionable and experimental things in a grow and later complaining that they've got no buds to smoke... shock, horror, surprise! :D
I disagree with you. The smart, perhaps, in regards to financial gain, stick to the tried and true methods. However, the intellectual pioneers of today's latest and greatest techniques and technology are those who deviate from mainstream knowledge. Sure, they may dismally fail, thusly loosing out on their crop and income (if they are even in it for the income) countless times, but others may succeed and develop a new technique that puts conventional knowledge to shame.

What would have happened if the individual who decided to try growing a plant in a soilless environment was afraid of failure? We would be without that oh-so-sweet hydro chron that raises the bars of today's standards.

So please, refrain from labeling those edge dwelling idealists as 'newbs.' If it wasn't for them, we would not be where we are today.

:peace:
-AR
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I disagree with you. The smart, perhaps, in regards to financial gain, stick to the tried and true methods.
How about in regards to actually getting some dope out of a grow? Isn't that what this is about?

However, the intellectual pioneers of today's latest and greatest techniques and technology are those who deviate from mainstream knowledge. Sure,
they may dismally fail, thusly loosing out on their crop and income (if they are even in it for the income) countless times, but others may succeed and develop a new technique that puts conventional knowledge to shame.
That's all well and good if the experimenter is NOT a new grower. Most noobs haven't so much as grown lawn grass before and thus don't know the basic params plants need. Then they haul off in their blissful ignorance and try things that just wouldn't work in a million years, assuring failure.

What would have happened if the individual who decided to try growing a plant in a soilless environment was afraid of failure? We would be without that oh-so-sweet hydro chron that raises the bars of today's standards.
Hydroponic growing wasn't really a great leap- there's nothing about growing in poor (or fully biologically inert) soil with fertiliser added to the plants' water that is terribly revolutionary nor counterintuitive.

So please, refrain from labeling those edge dwelling idealists as 'newbs.' If it wasn't for them, we would not be where we are today.
I didn't label 'those edge dwelling idealists' as 'noobs.' The people I label as noobs are inexperienced growers, who really don't know how to grow plants with conventional methods, let alone unconventional ones.

At the end of the day, you either want to stuff around, proving some arcane point- or you want some bud.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
...and one more thing about hydroponics... it has a reputation for a lot of strengths that it just doesn't have, thanks oddly enough to anti-drugs activists and the morons at the DEA.

The DEA have tracked THC content of seized cannabis for years but under poorly controlled test conditions. They test old samples in the full knowledge that improper storage conds like high temps or exposure to light can decompose THC into non-psychoactive components. They do not account for modern day smokers preferring buds with no leaf, where back in the 1970s, when you got a bag, it was this crunched up stuff with fan leaf, stem & seed, quite a lot being almost inert in THC content on a good day. So, DEA measures a sample that's half leaf and says it's 3% THC. They measure another sample from the same crop that has had the leaf discarded and get a much higher number. OH NOE!! NEW DANGEROUS SOOPERWEED!

Hydroponics doesn't alter the potency of cannabis one bit. The potency is programmed in the DNA. If you have a strain of industrial hemp that makes 1% THC in soil, it's going to make 1% in hydro. It's just a different way of getting the nutes in the roots.

The main difference with hydro growing is that it is done indoors, where pests have less access to plants, there's never a cloudy day and day length can be controlled. The plants make closer to the maximums possible as per the DNA.
 

NorCalGrower

Active Member
Yes- use Duracells in the maglites... and get your order for buds placed with the local dope dealer WELL in advance to beat the rush from the jokers flowering with glow-in-the-dark watch dials. :lol:



Unfortunately, the nutrients themselves are the problem with piezoelectric ultrasonic foggers. Won't matter if you use distilled/RO water or make your own water out of H & O you happen to have lying around. ;)

If you want to do aero, make your mist with an air stone or bubble curtain in a tank of nutes where the water level is well below the roots. The air bubbles breaking the water's surface makes a very fine mist and the nutes don't clog up a bubble curtain nearly as quickly as they do foggers, but they still need a scrub with a stiff bristle brush every couple of weeks.

I dont think your understanding what i mean. I currently have an aero setup similar to this one below, with sprayers positioned on either side of every 3in net pot. What i am wondering is if i can add a little mini resevoir at the end of the tubes, and fog in some fres water via a couple 3 head nebulizers from ebay. Like you said before, fogging a nute mixture tends to clog the fogger, so what do you think of fogging in fresh/distilled water (ph'ed of course)(NO NUTES). While still maintaining my aero nute solution spray. I currently run my aero setup on a 1min on/ 5min off rate.
 

AdReNaLiNeRuSh

Well-Known Member
Please do not construe my previous post, nor this post, as any sort of aggressive post/attack. With that being said...

How about in regards to actually getting some dope out of a grow? Isn't that what this is about?
It really depends on that person. Some grow for personals and/or income, where as others may grow for a hobby or hoping to discover something new.

That's all well and good if the experimenter is NOT a new grower. Most noobs haven't so much as grown lawn grass before and thus don't know the basic params plants need. Then they haul off in their blissful ignorance and try things that just wouldn't work in a million years, assuring failure.
I apologize, but your post came off to me as anyone who dares to explore is a newb.

Hydroponic growing wasn't really a great leap- there's nothing about growing in poor (or fully biologically inert) soil with fertiliser added to the plants' water that is terribly revolutionary nor counterintuitive.
...
...and one more thing about hydroponics... it has a reputation for a lot of strengths that it just doesn't have...
Hydroponics doesn't alter the potency of cannabis one bit. The potency is programmed in the DNA.
You're wrong in stating that hydroponics wasn't a great leap, however, you were dead-on in stating that it doesn't alter the potency. Instead, it facilitates the plant's growth in a manner that helps the plant reach its full potential easier than soil. Directly, the method of nutrient delivery, ability to maintain specific nutrient levels, and availability of oxygen to the roots accelerate the plant's growth. Indirectly, factors such as reduced pests, etc, help the plant. You could even build on these facts. For example, less pests == less pesticides == more healthy to smoke.

Did you know...? Human breast milk is considered the most toxic of foods that we eat today. For example, McDonald's food contains x amount of harmful compounds, while Wendy's contains y. However, eating at Wendy's and McDonalds combines those compounds and delivers them directly to the undeveloped young. We pollute our bodies so much....

Also, aspects such as taste are much more manageable in hydro.

:peace:
-AR
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
It really depends on that person. Some grow for personals and/or income, where as others may grow for a hobby or hoping to discover something new.
Gee, I thought the point of growing dope was to get some dope. I may have to rethink this. :?

You're wrong in stating that hydroponics wasn't a great leap, however, you were dead-on in stating that it doesn't alter the potency. Instead, it facilitates the plant's growth in a manner that helps the plant reach its full potential easier than soil. Directly, the method of nutrient delivery, ability to maintain specific nutrient levels, and availability of oxygen to the roots accelerate the plant's growth. Indirectly, factors such as reduced pests, etc, help the plant. You could even build on these facts. For example, less pests == less pesticides == more healthy to smoke.
The main difference between a good soil grow and hydroponics is that hydro tends to be about a week quicker. This can be attributed to the greater root oxygenation possibilities with most hydro systems, but that's off the topic.

My point was that the concept of applying fertilisers in water isn't a world away from the plants getting nutes out of soil, certainly not as reality defying as trying to grow plants with LEDs, in total ignorance of or with total disregard for the function of light intensity in photosynthesis, for example.

Also, aspects such as taste are much more manageable in hydro.
Really? What do you do for taste management in your hydro op?
 

NorCalGrower

Active Member
Ah, OK... but I don't see the point. You're just adding more water.
My thinking was that the fog carries more oxygen than a mist or light sprayer, so by giving the plant a oxygen rich water source, although it doesnt have nutes, would still be beneficial and increase plant growth.

In my research of fogponics, the reason many said it was so beneficial for growth was that the fog was a oxygen rich environment, giving the plant access to more of its vital resources all at the same time. Much moreso than a aero mister/sprayer setup. I know we dont have the nutrient rich solution, but i am hypothesizing that a water and oxygen rich solution would still be beneficial. I guess the only thing left to do now is test my theory. I was wondering if anyone else had tried this with any succes?
 
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