Water cooled COB Build/pic heavy

Godfather420

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ttystikk said:
I do collaborations like that all the time. It allows everyone to bring their strengths to the project. I'm often surprised by how much better the end result is than what I first imagined!
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Couldn't agree more. At the end of the day, I can only where so many hats!
 
Godfather420

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SSGrower said:
You got brute force down with a dash elegance.

Aluminium will corrode, they look like brass to me and the little balls that lock the fitting are probably steel. I don't know exactly what you have there so please don't take offense. I'd go for a high temp plastic just my .02.

Keep in mind I'm not water cooling :peace:
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Low temp plastic is actually what is desired.... pvc is fine in chilled applications, however, sch80 vs. sch40 is typically spec'd out. No copper here... The fitting is NPC approved for water.....I don't take offense unless you start calling me names. Thanks for the interest. :p
 
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ttystikk said:
Iron pump parts? I don't think you'll have much trouble with corrosion.
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Yeah Iron pump parts unless I go pond pump sealed impeller.... Then, plastic and stainless...Toss in a lil bit of rust inhibitor and glycol and check the ph of the solution.
 
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ttystikk said:
Needs heat and lots of surface area to corrode. His system will have neither. I haven't had any problems with corrosion, only with connections; don't overtighten hose clamps, use plenty of glue and give it time to fully cure.

Keep in mind I DO build and use water cooled systems, lol!

...and for God's sake, keep Ford Prefect''s advice in mind and always bring a towel!
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Spoken like an experienced water-cooling mad scientist! Dead on with the hose clamps. I always use 2 when I can...GLUE AND PRIMER! lol
 
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ttystikk said:
The COB chips will shed all the heat they generate unless it's actively carried off. That's a simple function of watts in; doesn't even matter how much of it is light since it all converts back to heat anyway.
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I guess what I mean is, since ideal leaf surface temp is desired to be around 82-87F and since COB's are said to emit very little if any IR, it has been suggested more than once to keep room temps up to increase transpiration. I was initially planning on pushing air through my housing on to the plant to cool them down from the heat in the canopy... Is this a flawed theory? would it be counterproductive to push air through the units onto the plants. This air is coming out the fixture at typical 10 degrees below ambient. I haven't noticed this in my hand on experiments to be the case. But not all runs come out perfect. Every run has it's variables. :wall: :roll:
 
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Is the theory flawed? I might think so if your you are pushing air across heat sinks and their external temp is higher than ambient. This is kind of where im at with air cooled, fans above blowing down but i try to cross vent to so the hot air isnt blowing into the canopy. Based on fact you are getting condensation on them I don't think that's the case and the airflow might actually help the condensation issue.
One more thing to think about what is the temp difference of the cob closest to inlet and cob closest to outlet? You might be able to balance this if needed / desired by airflow.

A few more things you may have already considereded.....
If the water is just a few degrees (if I recall correctly 4-9 deg F, ask an hvac tech) cooler than the sorrounding material (i.e.heatsink) that would be optimum effeciency. Thermodynamicaly speaking it takes 1 calorie to raise 1gram of water 1 degree C regardless of if the water is hot or cold, so long as it is liquid. So ideally your outlet temp will be very close to your desired operating temp if the system is running optimally. No matter how hard you try you can't break the laws of physics.
 
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SSGrower said:
Is the theory flawed? I might think so if your you are pushing air across heat sinks and their external temp is higher than ambient. This is kind of where im at with air cooled, fans above blowing down but i try to cross vent to so the hot air isnt blowing into the canopy. Based on fact you are getting condensation on them I don't think that's the case and the airflow might actually help the condensation issue.
One more thing to think about what is the temp difference of the cob closest to inlet and cob closest to outlet? You might be able to balance this if needed / desired by airflow.

A few more things you may have already considereded.....
If the water is just a few degrees (if I recall correctly 4-9 deg F, ask an hvac tech) cooler than the sorrounding material (i.e.heatsink) that would be optimum effeciency. Thermodynamicaly speaking it takes 1 calorie to raise 1gram of water 1 degree C regardless of if the water is hot or cold, so long as it is liquid. So ideally your outlet temp will be very close to your desired operating temp if the system is running optimally. No matter how hard you try you can't break the laws of physics.
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@SSGrower ,@ttystikk
I agree with your understanding of thermal dynamics. The plan was never to blow "hot" air 82-95F on the plants but rather "cool air" (60-70F) on the plants... My question was " Is blowing cool air on the plants going to limit transpiration or increase transpiration? Its seems there is this school of thought that temps in the canopy need to kept higher with LED due to a lack of IR. MY plan has been to run ambient air temp of 80-85F, CO@1200-1400, with a PPFD of 1000-1200. And then blow a nice cool breeze out my lights onto the plants. I'm so excited to fire these babies up! A culmination of 16 years growing.....

I use to get condensation on the unit before I installed a relay to cut power to the dc drivers, leaving the line voltage to the light still energized. this allows me to still harvest power to run the 12v pus's to spin the fans with the lights off. When the light is on, or when the fans are running pushing air across the fins and through the unit, no condensation forms. I could also just cut flow via a solenoided valve, but then I lose cooling at night. I want a day/night temp differential. Water Temp In is ( dependant on dew point) 60-65f. water out is 62-67. Keep in mind however, this is for one light, not a large install...

On my Bitcoin rack that was generating over 180,000btu, 30 ASIC chips that pulled 600w/240v. the temperature differential was only 5F difference between Supply and return of this giant computer.... And mind you, the temp differential never changed, ranging from 65f on the supply side, all the way down to 36f on the supply side.... I actually froze this up during one winter night, at 1.8 gpm with the improper ratio of glycol in it. Was running to lean.... (glycol decreases the efficiency of the pump by increasing the viscosity of the solution)

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Hey Bud, you near your KB-100-80's to grab me a measurement of the hole pattern.. Their website sucks from a design standpoint...I'm throwing a Ledil lens hole pattern on the bases as well. I don't want to have to drill a gazillion holes by hand if i want len's after all.
 
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Barely got a grasp on transpiration myself and have no personal experience that would lead me to believe I am the right person to ask. So sorry find another huckleberry.
When you say bitcoin machine does it mine bitcoin? Did or will you be able to make a "profit"?


I must be getting old...:eyesmoke:
 
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SSGrower said:
Barely got a grasp on transpiration myself and have no personal experience that would lead me to believe I am the right person to ask. So sorry find another huckleberry.
When you say bitcoin machine does it mine bitcoin? Did or will you be able to make a "profit"?


I must be getting old...:eyesmoke:
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Did... mine Bitcoin.That thing sits in a storage unit now. Lost my ASS!:wall: Fun project though..made someLong term connects:cool:
 
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SSGrower said:
Barely got a grasp on transpiration myself and have no personal experience that would lead me to believe I am the right person to ask. So sorry find another huckleberry.
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Thanks for the honesty.... You do seem quite knowledgeable.... thanks for your input:-D
 
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