Not Again... Americans who can't afford their mortgage up 145%

srh88

srh88

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Flaming Pie said:
I am not on welfare and have never said I didnt want people who qualify not to get aid.

So you are confused.
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welcome back! glad to see youre not on welfare anymore. did your husband who stole from the US military start a go cart company? american mother, wife, patriot... thats your twitter bio right?
your kids are part mexican, you dream of other dicks inside you while your husband eats you out and you married a dishonorable discharged fella who stole from the military.

how ya like donny jr's emails pie? BUT HIS EMAILS!!!!!
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
No, what crashed the economy in 2008 were defaults in Credit Default Swaps and other instruments built on bad lending practices.

The NINJA loans were part of it but would not have done the damage they did without the fraudulently built derivatives.

Y'all are just not thinking on the right scale. Think bigger.
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Care to enlighten us with a link to help us think as big as you? Something that shows how the 1% by themselves, without default from the 10's of millions of people holding debt will crash the economy?
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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ttystikk said:
Classic neoliberal thinking; blame the poor while ignoring the rich stealing the system blind.
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not sure about neoliberal. more like realist.

i think you are forgetting the Golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

alot of people rich and poor were ruined by the recession. there is a small percentage that makes money whether the economy is shit or fantastic. that's who really knows how the economy works.
 
travisw

travisw

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Flaming Pie said:
If we could purchase across state lines and if we had access to catastrophic plans, she may have been fine financially.
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I wish that was true too. I know conservatives have been selling that idea as some sort of silver bullet to stem the tide of ever increasing healthcare costs but it's been proven to be bullshit, countless times. Hell, insurers can already do this in several states.

They've actually found that sales across state lines would reduce premiums for those who are healthy at a given time while increasing premiums and reducing access to coverage for those with current or past health problems.

It wouldn't be any better that what we have now, just shittier in a different way.

http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/81866/2000840-Sales-of-Insurance-across-State-Lines.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/02/28/why-trumps-freedom-to-sell-insurance-across-state-lines-wont-work/#2bd365691a62

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/selling-health-insurance-across-state-lines-won-t-save-money

ttystikk edit: You are preaching to the choir about single payer bro. I never said that couldn't work.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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travisw said:
I wish that was true too. I know conservatives have been selling that idea as some sort of silver bullet to stem the tide of ever increasing healthcare costs but it's been proven to be bullshit, countless times. Hell, insurers can already do this in several states.

They've actually found that sales across state lines would reduce premiums for those who are healthy at a given time while increasing premiums and reducing access to coverage for those with current or past health problems.

It wouldn't be any better that what we have now, just shittier in a different way.

http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/81866/2000840-Sales-of-Insurance-across-State-Lines.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/02/28/why-trumps-freedom-to-sell-insurance-across-state-lines-wont-work/#2bd365691a62

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/selling-health-insurance-across-state-lines-won-t-save-money
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If we went with single payer/Medicare for all/Universal Healthcare that whole racket would cease to exist.

If it can't be done, how does every other developed nation on Earth manage to do it, at lower cost AND BETTER OUTCOMES?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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rkymtnman said:
not sure about neoliberal. more like realist.

i think you are forgetting the Golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

alot of people rich and poor were ruined by the recession. there is a small percentage that makes money whether the economy is shit or fantastic. that's who really knows how the economy works.
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Quite right, and the rich have been rewriting the rules to favor themselves for so long they have forgotten about anyone else but themselves, or the consequences.

The poor aren't writing rules or loading up on destabilizing debt, that's for damned sure.

I want to thank everyone for helping me clarify my thinking on these matters.

I'm no longer of the opinion that we can do the next Great Crash and resultant Great Depression, because the will isn't there to stop it.

Therefore, I'm going to study up on how to batten down the hatches of my own financial house for the storm y'all have convinced me, beyond any doubt, is coming.

I suggest that everyone else does the same.

@whitebb2727 you're pretty self sufficient and in a relatively remote area. You'll be fine. 300 million of your countrymen will not.

I hope we survive what's coming.
 
Fogdog

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Flaming Pie said:
Nothing is guaranteed in life. The unexpected happens. It is your job to put aside in times of plenty for the bad times that are sure to come.

Notice how it says even with insurance she was struggling. Thats because obamacare ushered in rediculous premiums for middle class with even higher deductibles.

If we could purchase across state lines and if we had access to catastrophic plans, she may have been fine financially.
Did she herniate her disc carrying couches on her back? Foolish.
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Yep, you are right. Everybody should take care of themselves just like you do. But they don't or they get unlucky or the job they work eventually disabled them. This is called reality. No "should" will ever change reality. So, I ask, given that as you say fools and their money will always be parted, without support to help them bridge their difficult times, what's to keep this country from becoming a horde of homeless sick and violent people with nothing left to lose?

Don't you Christian terrorists have a saying about how there will always be poor people? If there will always be poor people because Jesus said so, how can you blame the person? One person climbs out of poverty and another falls right in.

What's your solution? Tell them what they "should" do until they die of starvation or disease?

You are making a great case for socialism or social safety nets at the least because there will always be poor people no matter what Saint Pie tells them "should" happen.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Yep, you are right. Everybody should take care of themselves just like you do. But they don't or they get unlucky or the job they work eventually disabled them. This is called reality. No "should" will ever change reality. So, I ask, given that as you say fools and their money will always be parted, without support to help them bridge their difficult times, what's to keep this country from becoming a horde of homeless sick and violent people with nothing left to lose?

Don't you Christian terrorists have a saying about how there will always be poor people? If there will always be poor people because Jesus said so, how can you blame the person? One person climbs out of poverty and another falls right in.

What's your solution? Tell them what they "should" do until they die of starvation or disease?

You are making a great case for socialism or social safety nets at the least because there will always be poor people no matter what Saint Pie tells them "should" happen.
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And you wonder why I'm such a Sandernista?

If I thought either of the major parties would address this, I'd vote for them. Since it's shockingly clear they do not, I'm putting my support behind the only politician I think is anywhere near the solution.

Why do you vote for the party that brings us people like Joe Manchin, is the better question.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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rkymtnman said:
wrong!
think the opposite. assume the crash is coming and figure out how to profit off of it is the key. i just have to iron out the details of how to do that!!
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Not wrong; That's part of my plan as well.

Defense first, then a good offense.

I've been noodling on it for a while now. Got any ideas?
 
srh88

srh88

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Fogdog said:
Yep, you are right. Everybody should take care of themselves just like you do. But they don't or they get unlucky or the job they work eventually disabled them. This is called reality. No "should" will ever change reality. So, I ask, given that as you say fools and their money will always be parted, without support to help them bridge their difficult times, what's to keep this country from becoming a horde of homeless sick and violent people with nothing left to lose?

Don't you Christian terrorists have a saying about how there will always be poor people? If there will always be poor people because Jesus said so, how can you blame the person? One person climbs out of poverty and another falls right in.

What's your solution? Tell them what they "should" do until they die of starvation or disease?

You are making a great case for socialism or social safety nets at the least because there will always be poor people no matter what Saint Pie tells them "should" happen.
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She has posts on here saying she is on food stamps. Don't let her lie to ya
 
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