Trump/Russia v. Clinton/DNC

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Heil Tweetler said:
DOTARD






Trump clings to conspiracy theories — and strengthens the case for his removal



Trump clings to conspiracy theories — and strengthens the case for his removal
His insistence that it is not his voice on the “Access Hollywood” tape is simply not true. He himself has admitted it’s him and has apologized for what he said. This is a wholly different category of Trump lie. He is not merely exaggerating — as he did about the height of one of his buildings — but compulsively denying the undeniable. It is deeply troubling behavior.

The New York Times also reports that Trump cannot let go of his insistence that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Last year, and under considerable pressure, Trump reluctantly renounced that claim. Now, he’s back at it, clinging to that obsession as he also does to the insistence that his inaugural crowd was the biggest in history or that he would have won the popular vote had not a gazillion illegal immigrants materialized at the polls for Hillary Clinton. There is absolutely no evidence that anything like that happened. But for Trump there need not be.
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Amazing.

The only thing more amazing is that not only is he still in office but no one is mounting a serious campaign to have him ousted. Yes, the articles were introduced- and they quickly dropped out of sight like a rock in a muddy pond.

What that says about the state of our Union is beyond troubling.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Heil Tweetler said:
Trump Voters Celebrate Massive Tax Cut for Everyone But Them

Jubilant Trump voters on Thursday celebrated the prospect of a gigantic tax cut that will benefit everyone but them.

Across the country, Trump supporters were overjoyed that, after months of gridlock and wrangling, the man they voted for was about to make Americans other than them wildly richer.

“President Trump has taken a lot of hits from the fake-news media, but he stood his ground,” Carol Foyler, a Trump voter in Ohio, said. “Today he honored his pledge to the American people, except for me and anybody I know.”

Harland Dorrinson, a Trump supporter from Kentucky, agreed. “When I cast my vote last November, I said to myself, ‘I sure hope this means that people with a thousand times more money than I have get even more money,’ ” he said. “Promise kept.”

Tracy Klugian, a Trump voter from Minnesota, said that tax cuts for everyone but him are an important step toward making America great again. “Look at the stock market—it’s been going through the roof,” Klugian, who has no money in the stock market, said.

But some Trump supporters, like Calvin Denoit, of Texas, were more muted. “Tax cuts that completely exclude me and my family are a good start,” he said. “But, until President Trump eliminates all environmental and safety regulations for corporations that I have zero stake in, I won’t be satisfied.”
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The Onion? What's hysterical is that every word is the stone cold truth!
 
SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
Amazing.

The only thing more amazing is that not only is he still in office but no one is mounting a serious campaign to have him ousted. Yes, the articles were introduced- and they quickly dropped out of sight like a rock in a muddy pond.

What that says about the state of our Union is beyond troubling.
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The only thing more amazing is that the people who said "Give us Sanders or we'll give you Trump" are the people crying that we cant get rid of him (due to the absolute Republican control of congress they helped usher in).

Your group is dead, man, widely ridiculed and discredited.

You should stop posting and focus on some introspection for a while.
 
Padawanbater2

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SneekyNinja said:
The only thing more amazing is that the people who said "Give us Sanders or we'll give you Trump" are the people crying that we cant get rid of him (due to the absolute Republican control of congress they helped usher in).
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Control of congress was handed to Republicans after Democrats failed to get single payer passed and during the TEA party wave because Democrats failed to pass progressive policy positions their base supported. So how did Sanders supporters "help usher them in" if Sanders became popular later than 2015?..
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Your group is dead, man, widely ridiculed and discredited.
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Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. He's the frontrunner on the Dem ticket in 2020 for multiple mainstream news organizations..
SneekyNinja said:
You should stop posting and focus on some introspection for a while.
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SneekyNinja

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Padawanbater2 said:
Control of congress was handed to Republicans after Democrats failed to get single payer passed and during the TEA party wave because Democrats failed to pass progressive policy positions their base supported. So how did Sanders supporters "help usher them in" if Sanders became popular later than 2015?..

Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. He's the frontrunner on the Dem ticket in 2020 for multiple mainstream news organizations..

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LOL!

You're embarrassing yourself with this deluded shit.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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SneekyNinja said:
The only thing more amazing is that the people who said "Give us Sanders or we'll give you Trump" are the people crying that we cant get rid of him (due to the absolute Republican control of congress they helped usher in).

Your group is dead, man, widely ridiculed and discredited.

You should stop posting and focus on some introspection for a while.
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Trump sucked. It was obvious on the campaign trail.

The only way he could have won is if the Democrats sucked even worse.

It shouldn't even have been close.

Your denialism is impressive but it changes nothing.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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SneekyNinja said:
LOL!

You're embarrassing yourself with this deluded shit.
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So try coming up with actual supporting evidence for this claim instead of Fix News level vacuous shit talking.

Clinton 'should have' won. Well, she didn't. The election results shouldn't even have been close. So why were they?

Instead of grade school blather, try getting to the bottom of those questions.

I've been doing that very spadework and I've found a deeply dissatisfied electorate that has been systematically marginalized for decades and has been getting angrier and more desperate every year.

They aren't shy about saying that they voted for the orange clown to send a message, to force change, to vote against the corporate representative. I don't think they got what they wanted, but then Clinton, Bush and Obama didn't really deliver what they wanted either.

Now the situation is just that much more obvious.

Honestly, I fear that it will take yet another economic crash and resultant hardship for people to get serious about taking government out of the hands of the neoliberal/neoconservative corporatists. The sense of resignation, futility, powerlessness and learned helplessness is still so strong that even now after everything he's done over the past year, we still don't see millions of citizens in the streets every day, demanding the removal of the Chump and his plutocracy.

But you're more than welcome to keep foaming at the mouth with simpleton insults and distracting drivel. You're in good company, even though you're still getting shafted by the system. Defending it won't do you a damned bit of good.
 
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SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
So try coming up with actual supporting evidence for this claim instead of Fix News level vacuous shit talking.

Clinton 'should have' soon. Well, she didn't. The election results shouldn't even have been close. So why were they?

Instead of grade school blather, try getting to the bottom of those questions.

I have been and I've found a deeply dissatisfied electorate that has been systematically marginalized for decades and has been getting angrier and more desperate every year.

They aren't shy about saying that they voted for the orange clown to send a message, to force change, to vote against the corporate representative. I don't think they got what they wanted, but then Clinton, Bush and Obama didn't really deliver what they wanted either.

Now the situation is just that much more obvious.

Honestly, I fear that it will take yet another economic crash and resultant hardship for people to get serious about taking government out of the hands of the neoliberal/neoconservative corporatists. The sense of resignation, futility, powerlessness and learned helplessness is still so strong that we don't have millions of citizens in the streets every day, demanding the removal of the Chump and his plutocracy.

But you're more than welcome to keep foaming at the mouth with simpleton insults and distracting drivel. You're in good company, even though you're still getting shafted by the system. Defending it won't do you a damned bit of good.
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People wanted to make the White House White Again after "8 years of a n****r".

Sanders lost by alot. Hillary won the vote by a huge margin.

Sanders supporters still support the EC that gave us Trump, say Trump is the best thing in years and say if Sanders doesn't get the nod in 2020 they'll register Republican.

Now, tell me who's the problem? The Republican hard-core who will never change or the idiots trying to sink their opposition?

Screwed by the system?

I'm making money hand over fist, retard, because I educated myself in something useful.

Remember those words: "Give us Sanders or we'll give you Trump"
 
Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
Honestly, I fear that it will take yet another economic crash and resultant hardship for people to get serious about taking government out of the hands of the neoliberal/neoconservative corporatists.
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They're well on their way to another crash. They're deregulating the CFPB, watering down the Dodd-Frank regulations, and giving enormous tax breaks to the top 1% while increasing the tax burden for the poor and middle class. Another crash is virtually inevitable within the next decade. Be it the student debt bubble, the credit card bubble, or another housing bubble. This is how supply side economics works when you choose not to address the actual underlying issue of a stagnant economy. This is an absolute recipe for disaster.

What I fear.. is that people still won't get it
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
They're well on their way to another crash. They're deregulating the CFPB, watering down the Dodd-Frank regulations, and giving enormous tax breaks to the top 1% while increasing the tax burden for the poor and middle class. Another crash is virtually inevitable within the next decade. Be it the student debt bubble, the credit card bubble, or another housing bubble. This is how supply side economics works when you choose not to address the actual underlying issue of a stagnant economy. This is an absolute recipe for disaster.

What I fear.. is that people still won't get it
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What's interesting and a sign of the bubble getting extreme is that even Republican Party politicians are privately (and not so privately) saying that they have to pass the single most destructive tax cut of their careers, virtually guaranteeing yet another crash- and if they don't, their campaign funding will dry up and their careers will be over, in favor of someone else who will pass them, consequences be damned.
 
TacoMac

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ttystikk said:
Trump sucked. It was obvious on the campaign trail.

The only way he could have won is if the Democrats sucked even worse.

It shouldn't even have been close.
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That's true.

The same thing happened during G.W.'s second election - rather than let the people decide which democratic candidate should run, the DOC figured they would take it upon themselves to shove John Kerry down our throats.

Nobody wanted Lurch as president, so they either didn't bother voting, or worse, voted for Bush. That's how he got two terms, plain and simple.

People have simply grown fed up and are practicing the "revenge vote" because those in power never fucking learn: If you follow the will of the people, you WILL NOT LOSE.

But once you start shoving things they don't want down their throats, you are GUARANTEED to lose.

And that's exactly what happened with the Hillary/Sanders/Trump debacle. Those in the college said, "Fuck it. I'm not putting that bitch in the god damned white house. We've lived with the fucking Clinton's for decades. It's time for them to go the fuck away!"

And that's exactly what they did.

Had it been Sanders running instead, we're not having this conversation and Trump is in yet another bankruptcy court begging for extensions.
 
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