Chronikool’z LED + Organic + SOG + Party cup perpetual ‘boxes of fun’ grow!™

[Bumping Spheda]

Due to the fact that all the chips are so close with no primary optics (read wide viewing angle, ~140-160 degrees) in multichip LED's I almost feel that they will achieve very good spectral "mixing" regardless of chip placement. Also, it'd most likely be very difficult to selectively coat different phosphor blends over individual chips.

You could easily coat the entire surface with Warm White phosphor and lay out 440nm and 460nm chips in a Merkaba-esque pattern, though. This will achieve very high spectral homogeneity.

 

[Chronikool]

No idea if you'll be interested in any of this, but this seller has some interesting stuff, albeit a bit overpriced:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8W-1900K-Sunset-Led-Panel-/220865905075?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336ca241b3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/16W-Greenhouse-Fast-Grow-Led-Panel-/220844846100?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336b60ec14

They use 45mil chips, so it seems pretty high quality. I wish they had 630nm and 430nm chips in the mix. Idk why they don't include all four wavelengths on a single array, they seem to like dual spectrum. :/ I've yet to contact them, but given the price on their 100W grow LED I might never get around to it.

Oh yeah...i should credit this guy ^^^^^^^ for helping me out with this.....he is the true genius! Thanks bruv!

 

[Chronikool]

Due to the fact that all the chips are so close with no primary optics (read wide viewing angle, ~140-160 degrees) in multichip LED's I almost feel that they will achieve very good spectral "mixing" regardless of chip placement. Also, it'd most likely be very difficult to selectively coat different phosphor blends over individual chips.

You could easily coat the entire surface with Warm White phosphor and lay out 440nm and 460nm chips in a Merkaba-esque pattern, though. This will achieve very high spectral homogeneity.

Oh yeah....it lookz like i will have to play the remote phosphor blend game with this chip....or just leave it....

 

[Chronikool]

As long as those wavelengths are ~10% NW+ 90% WW (but all high quality diodes= higher CRI + lumens= +umols) then it should kick ass. Even better if each row was staggered, instead of rows and columns all lining up. Call it the Merkaba effect

Hmmmm...Can you redraw that in a square for me?

Im surprised bring up the water solution helped (dude I could have gotten my info mixed up ?) but as far as I know there's hardly any O2 left in the water at 30ºc in fact ten times less oxygen is able to absorbed at that temp rarther than at 20ºc leaving them vulnerable to pythium glad to hear they are rooting though just goes to show you cant believe everything you read

Oh right...well i read on a few sites that the temp should be around 80-85 (26-30ish C) for a bubbler...And it seems to be working. But yeah...no idea on the oxygen amounts.....thats for you guyz to work out....hahaha!

 

[PetFlora]

Due to the fact that all the chips are so close with no primary optics (read wide viewing angle, ~140-160 degrees) in multichip LED's I almost feel that they will achieve very good spectral "mixing" regardless of chip placement. Also, it'd most likely be very difficult to selectively coat different phosphor blends over individual chips.

You could easily coat the entire surface with Warm White phosphor and lay out 440nm and 460nm chips in a Merkaba-esque pattern, though. This will achieve very high spectral homogeneity.

Dunno. It seems everyone is using parallel rows and columns, which I think creates dead spaces or holes between each row/column. Probably really small, but... So yes, Merkaba Clusters could be much to do about nothing, BUT, it doesn't cost anything for DIYers, and it's easy-peezy to try.

In reality it creates itself when you stagger a minimum of 5 rows, evenly spaced.

I would use 6 WW around the central NW for a damn good, yet simple ratio

I have seen circular sm engines that are already designed this way (presumably available on EBay if you know where to look), some with, others without the diode in the center. In lieu of a central diode, one could experiment and place a crystal oscillator in the center of each cluster. We know it can't hurt, what we don't know is what additional magic it brings to the grow

 

[Bumping Spheda]

Oh yeah...i should credit this guy ^^^^^^^ for helping me out with this.....

Ha. I just took a little bit from here, little bit from there: Kessil, meets Astir, meets a lucky day on Alibaba.

You're going remote phosphor?! Awesome, dude. First remote phosphor used for horticultural purposes? Or was there a Philips bulb used somewhere that I missed? Ah, doesn't matter, that's gonna be a sick journal. Can't wait.

In lieu of a central diode, one could experiment and place a crystal oscillator in the center of each cluster. We know it can't hurt, what we don't know is what additional magic it brings to the grow

I've heard you say this before and I just thought you were trolling. What do you mean by this?

 

[PetFlora]

Not sure what your question is. If it's about Merkaba, you will find a ton of YTube videos that will get you up to speed. Call it, secret science intentionally kept from us, but finally people are speaking out, as they are on many subjects

 

[Bumping Spheda]

Nah, not the Merkaba, I get that, but the crystal oscillator. No idea, you lost me.

 

[PetFlora]

[h=1]Crystal oscillator[/h] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A miniature 16 MHz quartz crystal enclosed in a hermetically sealed HC-49/S package, used as the resonator in a crystal oscillator.



Quartz crystal resonator (left) and quartz crystal oscillator (right)


A crystal oscillator is an electronic oscillator circuit that uses the mechanical resonance of a vibrating crystal of piezoelectric material to create an electrical signal with a very precise frequency.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] This frequency is commonly used to keep track of time (as in quartz wristwatches), to provide a stable clock signal for digital integrated circuits, and to stabilize frequencies for radio transmitters and receivers. The most common type of piezoelectric resonator used is the quartz crystal, so oscillator circuits incorporating them became known as crystal oscillators,[SUP][1][/SUP] but other piezoelectric materials including polycrystalline ceramics are used in similar circuits.
Quartz crystals are manufactured for frequencies from a few tens of kilohertz to tens of megahertz. More than two billion crystals are manufactured annually. Most are used for consumer devices such as wristwatches, clocks, radios, computers, and cellphones. Quartz crystals are also found inside test and measurement equipment, such as counters, signal generators, and oscilloscopes.

So you may still ask, what effect? Hmmm. Dunno, but light spectrums have various frequencies which MIGHT be tunable for max benefit.

I have been involved n hi-end audio for 40+ years!, some speaker manufacturers make passive subwoofers (sans amplification). Doesn't seem lioke they would work, but they do add a warmth

 

[guod]

how we have to connect these crystal oscillator, in a serial or in a parallel way?
Which frequencies will be the best?

maybe 3 or more of them with a distance between the frequencies that follows the Fibonacci numbers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA

 

[PetFlora]

Dunno. I have ideas, not know how

Great video^^^

 

[Bumping Spheda]

Still got no clue. Good luck, though.

 

[Chronikool]

Thanks for that guyz....(way over my head!)

So been having a issue with my rooted clones....Thought it was a nitrogen deficiency, but that didnt make much sense to me since i have been adding plenty through my compost teas.


Basically it hasnt shown growth for ages (1-1.5 weeks) and was getting progressively more lime green in its colouring.

Didnt even think about a sulpher deficiency as i havent seen it before, but pretty sure that was my problem....i hope!

So purchased a bag of gypsum and watered it in to the soil....lets see how it goes.

Any help on this would be handy!




On a brighter note....my book finally got here!

 

[Mr. Green Scene]

Hey Koolio, that book is in my library also. My better half is a "Master Gardener", and that is a book she uses/revisits frequently. So do you have a Nature Mill electronic composter also?..................

 

[Mr. Green Scene]

Also, whats with the party cups.......................am I missing something?

 

[Chronikool]

Thanks for stopping by.

Hahaha...i have no idea what a Nature Mill electronic composter is....Is it like a robot that can go to the toilet for you...? whatever it is...it soundz dangerous!

As for the party cups...i want to grow alot of plants with a few different training technique...maybe a few different diets and be able to grow them in a stealth spot...Its taking a little longer to get to where i want at the moment, but its all new and im learning.

 

[jubiare]

That book should be gold for your organic culturing! Good buy. How's the big girls anyway?

 

[Chronikool]

They are good....sort of in a state of waiting at the moment with the 'cloning debacle' and all....'the road is looooong....'

 

[Snafu1236]

Good move on picking up Teaming with microbes...it will now be your new bible for growing!

-Snafu

 

[PetFlora]

Organic vs Inorganic

Let me begin by stating that I eat as much organic as I can- fruits, veggies, milk, butter, meats, fish (no farm raised), cooking oils...

Plants have the ability to convert inorganic matter to energy, and since organic nute teas can be highly unstable (I know some of you will disagree) I switched to inorganic.

I now use Hydroponic Research VEG+BLOOM. It is a complete ONE part dry mix. No additives needed (though I am about to email them about Boron, which should be in it- and may well be). V+B is awesome, pH stable. One less thing to worry about. Mixing takes 2 minutes. Did I mention pH stable?

If you would like to try low pressure spray system, they clog with organics, restricting the grower to DWC; not that that is a bad thing, but it requires a fairly large rez to maintain stability