top 3 solvents excluding butane and why

[vaportechnician]

Hey guys, I'm an novice at this concentrate making thing but have done months of research and recently was motivated enough to want to try it out while ending up with decent results. I ended up with some glass/shatter/candy texture product that melted into a pool instantly when heated. I'd like to get similar results again and did write down everything i did to attain these results, but in this first try I used acetone. I also have 91% iso but I thought the acetone would be better as it seems it evaporates quicker and yields a higher quality end result, based on reading other ppl's experience with the stuff. I also know ppl think acetone is dangerous and what not but I just can't see how that is as I had excellent results using it with no solvent taste whatsoever (I purged it for almost 48 hrs). So anyway, my top 3 solvents in no specific order are:

-Acetone (from my experience)
-91%+(or higher) Isoprophyl Alcohol
-Naphtha (havent tried but looks like it would yield "golden yellow" colored results as ppl say it's like a sister to butane. https://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/512995-my-shelite-naptha-oil-extraction.html. i can remove this link if this violates the rules somehow, not sure if it does but just wanted to say that to be safe.)

I also saw ethanol being used but it seems like it may gather alot of chlorophyll and unwanted materials just like isoprophyl and acetone.

What do you guys use to yield high quality results without using butane?

Reason I'm avoiding butane is that I'd rather deal with a liquid than a gas I can't see that may flame up somewhere I wouldn't expect. At least with liquid solvents I have some control.

Thanks guys.

 

[qwizoking]

Iso/hexane are my 2 favs
99%only

Then bubble or whatever maybe tied with qwet they can both be nice

Um..then co2
uhhhh what else.....
hot melt extraction
Distillation
Chloroform(half joking)
Not sure acetone is on my list..but I suppose if you can get some you know is pure

 

[Daub Marley]

Light naptha is pentane and hexane both are highly non-polar and easily evaporate but do have carcinogenic compounds. Use n-heptane as hexane is being phased out in pharmaceutical manufacturing. It is liquid at room temp. A little harder to evaporate but shouldn't be a problem.

Isopropyl Alcohol and acetone are basically the same (acetone is oxygenated IPA) they are miscible in water and tend to strip chlorophyll away in extracts as you mentioned. The extractions are usually red if chlorophyll has broken down and green if not. You can freeze it but they still suck at what they are supposed to do. Stick to completely non-polar solvents.
Super critical CO2 is the other solvent used but you need a good set-up and you need to know what you are doing because it can be very selective depending on temperature, pressure, and time.
Many other solvents out there that are not used often, usually for good reason, but there could be some other valuable ones yet to use.

 

[dubcoastOGs]

cold water
ice

Best ever.

 

[qwizoking]

Naaaaaaah maaaaaaaan
Just naaah

Lol daub

 

[Daub Marley]

Naaaaaaah maaaaaaaan
Just naaah

Lol daub

Duuude What did I do?

 

[Texas(THC)]

I would remove Naptha and Acetone from the list. 99% Iso or Hexane is what your looking for. Also you can freeze the butane and do a mason jar/thermos extraction, this will keep your butane liquid which will make you more comfortable.

 

[qwizoking]

Misinfo....... "The adverse health effects seem specific to n-hexane; they are much reduced or absent for other isomers. Therefore, the food oil ext........"

"The carcinogenic and chronic toxicity potential of commercial hexane solvent was evaluated in F-344 rats and B6C3F1 mice (50/sex/concentration/species) exposed by inhalation for 6 h/day, 5 days/week for 2 years. Target hexane vapor concentrations were 0, 900, 3000, and 9000 ppm. There were no significant differences in survivorship between control and hexane-exposed groups, and clinical observations were generally unremarkable."


The red thing....

Co2 is (non)polar isn't it? Product is usually lesser quality especially without multiple separating runs




Um etc

 

[vaportechnician]

Light naptha is pentane and hexane both are highly non-polar and easily evaporate but do have carcinogenic compounds. Use n-heptane as hexane is being phased out in pharmaceutical manufacturing. It is liquid at room temp. A little harder to evaporate but shouldn't be a problem.

so i'm thinking of using naptha for my next run, but do you think n-heptane would produce similar or better results in comparison? i heard hexane takes a while to evaporate, more difficult to purge and just takes longer altogether?

i just want something golden and delicious.

 

[Daub Marley]

Misinfo....... "The adverse health effects seem specific to n-hexane; they are much reduced or absent for other isomers. Therefore, the food oil ext........"

I didn't mean it like you'll get cancer if you use it, just that certain people are really concerned (too much imo) about using anything that is even remotely carcinogenic. Danger is in the dosage, and you are absolutely right in that it only applies to n-hexane, but n-hexane is in acetone.

The red thing....

Yeah nothing proven here, just a qualitative observation that I mistakenly made sound like fact. I had a green IPA run that I exposed to sunlight (UV) and it turned red from green.

Co2 is polar isn't it? Product t is usually lesser quality especially without multiple separating runs

No it's non-polar, but he's looking for liquid solvents at room temp and pressure. It is less quality most likely because it is selective as I mentioned.

Um etc

If you see them point them out. I'm here to learn, but when I see someone else who needs help I try, and sometimes I overstep my place. I'll watch it, but you can help me too because if I'm wrong I only make myself look stupid. Good looking Qwizo.

 

[Daub Marley]

so i'm thinking of using naptha for my next run, but do you think n-heptane would produce similar or better results in comparison? i heard hexane takes a while to evaporate, more difficult to purge and just takes longer altogether?

i just want something golden and delicious.

Qwizo pointed out that you can use pentane and hexane but not n-hexane and he is absolutely right. Unfortunately naptha has n-hexane mixed in so that's no good. N-heptane will produce very similar results but does take longer to completely purge. It is not too different from isopropyl alcohol in regards to boiling point and vapor pressure, so it is a little harder but by no means impossible.

 

[qwizoking]

..................why I even post on here anymore........
Sigh

The EPA does not classify hexane as a possible carcinogen and neither has the World Health Organization (WHO) ....a few others as well
I also put up the study showing no carcinogenic nothings......we don't use acetone...you just acetone was the same as iso

No your spewing a bunch of shit just like Dr Keyne was

I'll leave now...obviously my professional expertise in this field actually making a living working with solvents etc means nothing..

At the very least don't be argumentative when proved wrong

You said to use n
"Use n-heptane as hexane is being phased out in pharmaceutical manufacturing. It is liquid at room temp. A little harder to evaporate but shouldn't be a problem."

Near everything said was bull.....hope you have that on your conscious that this noob is listening

 

[vaportechnician]

N-heptane will produce very similar results but does take longer to completely purge.

hmm, so when you say n-heptane would produce similar results, did you mean similar to n-hexane results? or isoprophyl results? i know you mentioned its similar to isoprophyl in regards to boiling point but i just wanted to double check. also, what would you say is the likelihood of producing a golden/yellow colored end result vs a amber/brown colored one?

@qwizo: have you ever used n-heptane?

 

[Daub Marley]

..................why I even post on here anymore........
Sigh

Yeah you should spend much more time reading a book. Your are not the sharpest tool in the shed sir. You are the same person who thought CO2 was polar. Stop talking garbage and look it up.

The EPA does not classify hexane as a possible carcinogen and neither has the World Health Organization (WHO) ....a few others as well
I also put up the study showing no carcinogenic nothings

I agreed it only applies to n-hexane.

......we don't use acetone...you just acetone was the same as iso

OP uses acetone and he asked about it. Acetone is oxidized isopropyl alcohol

"Isopropyl alcohol can be oxidized to acetone, which is the corresponding ketone. This can be achieved using oxidizing agents such as chromic acid, or by dehydrogenation of isopropyl alcohol over a heated copper catalyst:"
(CH[SUB]3[/SUB])[SUB]2[/SUB]CHOH → (CH[SUB]3[/SUB])[SUB]2[/SUB]CO + H[SUB]2[/SUB]

At the very least don't be argumentative when proved wrong

You picked the fight. I was very cordial.

 

[qwizoking]

Simple typo....I've proven myself to be very knowledgeable in chemistry...my point still stands, typically a worse product needing several runs..kinda like bubble bags but not...just conceptually

Yep ketones are obviously the same thing as alcohols that's why one is "Anol" the other isn't?

No Mr argumentative picked a fight I told you to keep your bullshit like Dr keyens to yourself

If you agree then don't fucking suggest to use it??? Unless your just putting Darwinism into effect

Its also not in acetone?
And the red isn't from broken chlorophyll or whatever just degredation

ALL LIES ......spewing lies! When will it end
Anyway whatevs.....I'm not gonna go back and forth on this

 

[Daub Marley]

hmm, so when you say n-heptane would produce similar results, did you mean similar to n-hexane results? or isoprophyl results? i know you mentioned its similar to isoprophyl in regards to boiling point but i just wanted to double check. also, what would you say is the likelihood of producing a golden/yellow colored end result vs a amber/brown colored one?

@qwizo: have you ever used n-heptane?

You will get the same results as hexane. If you want a very light yellow I cannot guarantee that, as even BHO is amber/brown. It helps if you have material that is picked earlier in the ripening process.

 

[Daub Marley]

Simple typo....I've proven myself to be very knowledgeable in chemistry...my point still stands, typically a worse product needing several runs..kinda like bubble bags but not...just conceptually

I agree I don't know why you are arguing against it. Did I say that CO2 was the best method somewhere?

Yep ketones are obviously the same thing as alcohols that's why one is "Anol" the other isn't?

Ok well I meant that in regards to the purpose of oil extraction they are the same. They are both miscible in water have relatively the same BP and VP.

If you agree then don't fucking suggest to use it??? Unless your just putting Darwinism into effect

Thats what Im saying don't use n-hexane, and naptha has n-hexane in it. Why are you not understanding this?

 

[qwizoking]

I just quoted you saying TO use it lmao
I've picked apart everywhere you were wrong..every post..reread the thread

There were several I left out too... what did I say that was inaccurate or where did I switch up what I meant


Anyway hexane or pentane is what we use not heptane....

 

[Daub Marley]

I just quoted you saying TO use it lmao
I've picked apart everywhere you were wrong..every post..reread the thread

Here is my quote ""Use n-heptane as hexane is being phased out in pharmaceutical manufacturing. It is liquid at room temp. A little harder to evaporate but shouldn't be a problem."I said use n-heptane. Reread. There is no n-hexane in acetone, sorry if I made that typo. Its in naphtha.

 

[vaportechnician]

Here is my quote ""Use n-heptane as hexane is being phased out in pharmaceutical manufacturing. It is liquid at room temp. A little harder to evaporate but shouldn't be a problem."I said use n-heptane. Reread. There is no n-hexane in acetone, sorry if I made that typo. Its in naphtha.

i will try my next batch with n-heptane. just found some on amazon.com. will post results when finished. should do this maybe a week from now. thanks for you guys's help with this. hopefully you guys can patch things up and maybe others can add to this discussion.

thanks again everyone.