12 days of germinating and two survived

they are looking good SS68396331

I noticed that the tips of some of my leaves are curling down and are yellow, which I think could be a nute burn. I watered them with pure water, I'm hoping they return to normal soon.

I'm just using pH drops, which is not accurate but hopfully gets me in the ballpark....I may buy a pH meter, they seem rather expensive for the good ones...which brand did you buy (how much was it)?

It's a Trans Instrument Horticare PH only. IT was 50 dolla. Has a warranty and works pretty well. I am sure there are better ones out there but I think it will do the trick. Checked it with a 7.0 buffer and it was spot on out of the box so I guess thats good..

I tend to shy away from diagnosing others probs unless I am absolutely sure of my dope. But that sounds like a good plan. It's real easy to overfeed with MG, and equally easy to overwater.

If you don't have it already I HIGHly suggest you get Cervantes book. You will not regret it. It is a compilation of his and many others input..irreplaceable knowledge. It's been through several iterations and is a must have for the beginner or even experienced grower. A few of the credits in the book mentioned are moderators and "senior" growers on this site. It is a must have.

I don't give seedlings anything but light and stabilized water (just a fancy way to say I leave my tap H2O sit for three days before using it) now until I see fresh nodes coming out the top about 6-8 inches tall with 4-6 nodes. When using tap this is a must do step..you would be surprised how the PH fluctuates out of the tap. Then I only hit them if the plants appear to NEED fed. Exception being when flipping the lights I do the 0-10-10 to prep them for bloom. The Happy Frog soil is pretty nutrient rich. At first I was just pouring stuff on my plants not even considering the soil was pretty ready to go out of the bag, I added a little vermiculite but I would be willing to bet If the pot were big enough it would almost go through a whole cycle without any feeding..I may try this just to see.

I have a ginourmous 10 Gallon architectural planter I scored for 5 bux at value village, sells for like 400 online, some pottery company in Cali. It is going to be the new home for the bottom left plant in the my clone box. It will be the momma from here on out. I have high hopes for this strain. The beans came from a reputable source and he told me they were old school Panama RED..He gave me @25 of them along with about ten other strains. We will see in a few weeks, She is really starting to flower now. I hit her with the 0-10-10 fish emulsion and holy crap!! Oh yeah, almost forgot, for 5 bux I bought some Schultz African Violet Food, 8-14-9 to go with it. I did a half dose of the drops and a full dose with the Fish. Stopped the MG tomato food for now because the N content is a little high for this stage I think..I gots plenty of nice leafy stems..no.. they are STALKS now..lol and more important HUNDREDS of bud sites. I wanted to still give them a little N but keep the P/K up. The Schultz also has some trace minerals like Iron and Manganese that do not hurt.

My ultimate goal is to be 100 percent sustained Organic. I would be now but My compost is under a foot of snow and I really don't feel like disturbing it until Spring..but come May...watch out.

Happy New year man.. I am off to load fireworks and head out to my moms, she is plant sitting some Babes for me, gonna do a SCROg in her nursery. She has a Hydro setup that I am itching to get at..and an indoor sunroom that used to house a hot tub, We are going to put a small 3 row hydro setup in. I have a natural two topper to start with, I will clone it when it starts shootin starts off. I am hoping she throws babies that look like her..ie the two tops. Someone can chime in and tell me what the real term is for a plant with two naturally occuring tops is.

BUt anyway.. mom is pretty supportive for a conservative, She takes meds for chronic pain and what not, tried one of my medicated brownies and immediately jumped on board. Support like that is irreplaceable.

SS68396331 said:

It's real easy to overfeed with MG, and equally easy to overwater.

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I think my problem has been under-watering....I'm so worried about over-watering that I been letting it go too long, you can see in a previous posted pics the right one is drooping

....watered them this morning (no nukes) and the curled-up yellow tips are all almost back to normal.

Thanks for the info..... yup, you can't ask for anything more than a supportive mom

Or under water..lol. But hey, its a weed and wants to live, these plants are hard to kill. I think most problems people have can be attributed to trying to love the plant too much..hence loving them to death. Right on man. Pssst...start a journal. Catch you later. oh yeah Are you in the NW?? I will gladly share my bag of beans. Peace.

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Or under water..lol. But hey, its a weed and wants to live, these plants are hard to kill. I think most problems people have can be attributed to trying to love the plant too much..hence loving them to death. Right on man. Pssst...start a journal. Catch you later. oh yeah Are you in the NW?? I will gladly share my bag of beans. Peace.

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I did start a grow-journal but it's just the condensed version of this thread...not sure how to make it a "Journal Entry"
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/600334-my-first-cfl-grow.html

yup NW, on the north side of the 49th

Things have not been going well...my seed didn't make it and now one of my plants has turned ill and I'm not sure what the problem is, as the other gal is doing just fine, but they get the exact same nutes, water (pH 6.5), soil, light, pot size.

Could it be calcium, or maybe manganese...this is the one that was drooping due to a lack of water but had recouvered quickly, it's had no nutes for 2 waterings, and when I did use nutes they were 1/3 strenght.

I'm depressed

Epson salts for the win? For my grow I always added a little bit to my water, and the plants seemed to appreciate it.

D.tea said:

Epson salts for the win? For my grow I always added a little bit to my water, and the plants seemed to appreciate it.

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how much would you use (grams/litre)?

Ha...suggesting that I measured it...I used about as much as I did nutes. So my nutrients came with a little scoop and I'd add a scoop or 2 of epson salts (2 later in the grow, 1 to start out)

Start with a little, and if it works add more, plus are you adding an H2O2? I used to add a bit of that to my water as well to ad a bit of oxygen to the water.

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Ha...suggesting that I measured it...I used about as much as I did nutes. So my nutrients came with a little scoop and I'd add a scoop or 2 of epson salts (2 later in the grow, 1 to start out)

Start with a little, and if it works add more, plus are you adding an H2O2? I used to add a bit of that to my water as well to ad a bit of oxygen to the water.

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H202....not sure what that is, I gather it adds oxygen which sounds like a good thing....it was so much easier growing by sunlight, this is getting more complex by the day

Hydrogen peroxide, you more then likely have some in your bathroom or medicine cabinet.
Growing outdoors can be just as complex if you choose to make it so, but yes indoor growing does seem to come with a few extra requirements, but the water aspect is important to both.

Whatever you do don't add salts. That soil looks like it's riddled with time release nutes. You're going to have a mineralization nightmare. The damage looks like it's only occuring to a certain area, not widespread, i definitely wouldn't do something drastic like adding salts.

I would use peroxide, 3% solution for topical use works, if you can buy the 30% food grade from a ncie grocery store of hydroponics store it's usually better for your plants. Make sure you dilute it down to below 3% though, so do some math.

The plants leaves are angled down because of the light, it's just the nature of CFL growing if you don't have a more powerful overhead light. I usually try to put a higher wattage overhead light to help the plant grow correctly.

Hey man nice looking grow. I noticed you were having some problems; my last grow had similar issues and it ended up being over watering taught my self the lesson of checking the weight of the pot before I water rather than the top little bit which made a big difference. If you are using miracle grow I doubt its a deficiency; I have a pal that uses it and never had a sickly looking leaf on his plant just experience helps. Also noticed earlier that you were asking about temps around the grow room, most people will tell you to measure the temp and the top of bud sites (basically whatever part of the plant is closest to the light).

thanks everyone for your input.....I have switched from MG to GH maxigro....the one plant is doing great, the other is looking no worst, but no better

The ill plant seems to be doing better.....gave it some nutes and it's coming along, no new damaged leaves

You should considder flowering , or training soon, other wise only the top portion of your plant will be getting light from the CFL's.

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You should considder flowering , or training soon, other wise only the top portion of your plant will be getting light from the CFL's.

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I've been wondering when to flower....I thought 70 days was the normal non-autos (they are about 45 days now)....not exactly sure about what training is all about, but I have read a bit about LST.

I have added some side lighting.....now have twelve 23W, eight 6500K and four 2700K, plus added a decent fan which is really helping keep the temp consistant.

They both stressed out a bit when I added the extra lights, but are coming around now.

The one plant is still not 100% but seems to be doing okay...the extra lighting appears to be helping.

Still debating if I should transplant into bigger pots

I've been bringing my healthly gal for a little sun tanning for about an hour/day when shinning, as the sun is king with 384.6 Yottawatts (3.846 x 10[SUP]26 [/SUP]watts)

Don't transplant. Do take a knife and force down to cut away any roots near the sides. Then use the knife to slice through the roots halfway between the sides of the pot and the main stem. 4 or 5 cuts a week in different places is fine. Severed root tips regenerate 2 to 4 new ends unlike the vegetation which only yields 2.

When I say slice through the roots I mean take a steak knife, point to the ground and push straight down through. Then withdraw. Do this in 5 or 6 places around the pot. Do not saw through or go nuts. This is basically the same principle that the fabric air bags work on - by amputating protruding root tips. I can hear the ignorant sucking air hard.