2nd attempt at 1st grow...problems again :-(
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newwb
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The only real problem I see now, besides the growth slowing wayyy down, is on the 3 plants I removed the rockwool from, a few ends of roots broke off, there were a LOT of roots and I figured they'd grow more...those plants feel dry, almost crispy but not that dry, and the where they were soft smooth before, they've become almost ridgy, where the leaf veins are, it's a more pronounced look about them, and is it normal for the 1st set of leaves on a seedling to yellow a bit (I thought this only happened when the plants needed extra N and none was available?)
I am a very keen to learn noob 4 weeks into my first grow. I decided to go with barneys vanilla kush seeds and use a 600w light in my 1x1 tent plant setup. They started off perfectly and I was really proud of them but over the last couple of weeks 2 out of my 4 plants have gone from perfect green...to light green....to slightly yellow.. And now yellow fan leaves with brown spots appearing. 
I use canna coco and have purchased many nutrients... For veg stage i have canna coco A&B, but have recently purchased canna rhizotonic as I was told it might help them a bit?? The new growth is coming through but although it starts green it turns yellow after a couple of days and as a first time grower this is literally like watching a child screaming out for help but not being able to know what it needs. I have tried flushing... Under feeding, Adjusting the light height and creating more air flow but no luck I'm getting that comforting green look back into my kush plants please someone help me? I will be more than happy to upload pics if someone is patient enough to kindly guide me through this website. p.s I was considering including some bat guano in my next feed as it could be a nitrogen deficiency that is being stubborn.... Thanks for your help everyone. Joe
I use canna coco and have purchased many nutrients... For veg stage i have canna coco A&B, but have recently purchased canna rhizotonic as I was told it might help them a bit?? The new growth is coming through but although it starts green it turns yellow after a couple of days and as a first time grower this is literally like watching a child screaming out for help but not being able to know what it needs. I have tried flushing... Under feeding, Adjusting the light height and creating more air flow but no luck I'm getting that comforting green look back into my kush plants please someone help me? I will be more than happy to upload pics if someone is patient enough to kindly guide me through this website. p.s I was considering including some bat guano in my next feed as it could be a nitrogen deficiency that is being stubborn.... Thanks for your help everyone. Joe
newwb
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and my damn hydro unit is just getting more and more broke! Now I have to unplug the bucket pump from the controller and plug it into a reg socket to get it to drain...so basically only thing it does that it is supposed to do is fill the buckets...GEEEZ! And these sob's said if I return it, theres a 20-40%!!! restocking fee...bulllOneey, regretting buying the CAP ebb&grow from
www.hoticultureSource.com, and CAP..is NOT standing by their product!In fact, they don't even return messages left on their voice mail, and I was very polite, even though I am getting very pissed.---> that should show up on search engines now...renegotiations begin tomorrow! I am NOT paying 300 for a new brain bucket when the entire system cost 390!!
And knowing I am growing something, they should send the replacement unit and then wait to do the "credit adjustment" when they receive the POS they sent me, instead of me paying twice...shit!
www.hoticultureSource.com, and CAP..is NOT standing by their product!In fact, they don't even return messages left on their voice mail, and I was very polite, even though I am getting very pissed.---> that should show up on search engines now...renegotiations begin tomorrow! I am NOT paying 300 for a new brain bucket when the entire system cost 390!!
And knowing I am growing something, they should send the replacement unit and then wait to do the "credit adjustment" when they receive the POS they sent me, instead of me paying twice...shit!
newwb
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as a newb myself,I shouldn't be trying to help anyone(not qualified), but just having gone through this with my babies, too..they need MORE NITROGEN..when the first sign of lighter green new growth appeared I upped the ppm of my nutes, gradually, by like 50-70 every couple days, until all was green and pretty again...they will be 3 wks on monday and most say it's too high, but they greened back up at like 520 ppm.
Just my .02 cents.
Just my .02 cents.
newwb
Active Member
The best thing to do when you have a problem is to create a new thread, include pictures so the pro's can see what your concerns are, and post it in "plant problems, or troubles" area, people here are gr8 about helping out! Just takes a bit to find someone you can click with...good luck!!!I am a very keen to learn noob 4 weeks into my first grow. I decided to go with barneys vanilla kush seeds and use a 600w light in my 1x1 tent plant setup. They started off perfectly and I was really proud of them but over the last couple of weeks 2 out of my 4 plants have gone from perfect green...to light green....to slightly yellow.. And now yellow fan leaves with brown spots appearing.
Oh to upload pics...when you reply to a post you have options..."quick reply" or "go advanced" hit "go advanced" and then type in your problem, etc...scroll down and it'll say "manage attachments" if u click this it'll open a file uploader....try that
Then you drag the pics down into the bottom box where it says "insert inline"
autobahn101
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Pics would be helpful.
Hi guys, unfortunately I can't upload pics as I am using an iPad which doesn't have the file upload option available however if someone would be happy for me to send to direct email then I would love to send my kush pics to you sorry for posting on another thread I didn't thinkvi had done mine correctly but luckily autobahn is now helping me thread post. If anyone else knows how to find it and is willing to help me on my thread ... God bless you as I am genuinely hurt with the thought of possibly losing my plants
sorry for posting on another thread I didn't thinkvi had done mine correctly but luckily autobahn is now helping me thread post. If anyone else knows how to find it and is willing to help me on my thread ... God bless you as I am genuinely hurt with the thought of possibly losing my plants
newwb
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Ok so this is now pics of the girls, right after a feeding, see what I mean about the deep ridges in the vein areas? Almost give it a 3-D ish look..
Only thing I have seen on the deficient chart was a very trace thing..GH nutes seem to be ok in their numbers, right?
So I guess they do look better after being under my T-5 HO last night and today...maybe it's a spectrum thing..who knows, damn I hate this part, specially when I'm high lol
Any comments/ideas/explanations would be greatly appreciated..
Only thing I have seen on the deficient chart was a very trace thing..GH nutes seem to be ok in their numbers, right?
So I guess they do look better after being under my T-5 HO last night and today...maybe it's a spectrum thing..who knows, damn I hate this part, specially when I'm high lol
Any comments/ideas/explanations would be greatly appreciated..
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matthebrute
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hello, plants look really good in my opinion, PH should be 5.8 and let it flux up to 6.2 then back down this will ensure it is able to uptake all nutes and micro nutes. im definatly not the guy to give advice on hydro but from my experioence here on RIU 5.8 is a good low and 6.2 is a good high.
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lime73
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true....
sensiblue
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Good advice that mate, exactly what i do with mine. Never have any problems doing it this way.hello, plants look really good in my opinion, PH should be 5.8 and let it flux up to 6.2 then back down this will ensure it is able to uptake all nutes and micro nutes. im definatly not the guy to give advice on hydro but from my experioence here on RIU 5.8 is a good low and 6.2 is a good high.
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newwb
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This is one chart I had never seen, thank you soo much!!!So I WAS making them deficient by keeping it at 5.5! Last few feeds I have been leaving it alone as long as it doesn't go over 6.2, this should help!true....
Thank you!
lime73
Weed Modifier
yes it can slowly rise but as long as it doesn't go off the charts its ok, ph downing all the time can just cause more problems, as plants are using up nutes and water, ph and ppms will change in res. just need to keep it in check, but not daily...if it goes off the chart best to change res out completely with fresh water/nutes.
You are Welcome
I'm glad you are learning...and figuring it out.
newwb
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And since I am now guessing that the brownish spots were from a mag def I used 1/2 tsp epsom salts in a quart and foliar fed them as I gave them there first flood of the day, one plant was almost half size it was so folded in on itself(sorta shriveled up), and after leaving the nutes/h2o in the hydroton about 1/2 hr it perked back up immediately!
Now because 3 plants are just bare roots in hydroton,(edit: the ones I removed the rockwool from do still have small amounts of it close to the stem, I didn't dare start trying to pull it off there or i'd have surely pulled MORE roots)so they will hold a tad extra h2o than if they were just bare roots alone, right? I am going to have to water more often I am guessing, I am unsure how long hydroton holds moisture, but it should be longer now that they aren't blazing under the 1000 watter, seem to be healing themselves of problems in the fluorescent light, I have it about 2-3" above tops of plants (I can touch the bulbs when it's been running for hours so it doesn't put out the heat like the HIDs.)
Damn, IF I changed res every time the PH bounced up to 6.2, I'd be changing it every couple days, now your talking big money waste on nutes there, eh?
I make sure I look at my 3-way monitor above the res before every flood, but I am just NOT adding PH down, it has only drifted up to 6 so it's all good (before if it even went up to 5.9 i'd lower it back to 5.5)
This is what I mean by everyone having differing advice and opinions, someone told me early on to keep my PH at 5.5-5.6! Now hopefully the ones remaining in rockwool with catch up on root growth so the foliage can begin growing again..damn this "little setback" probably just costed me weeks, that is why it's so important to me to show problems very early on to hopefully avoid the delays and stunted growth, even with fem seeds I still may turn out hermies from the stress they have been through?
I sure hope not!
In other news, my newest seed order should be here within a few days, I am trying to decide what to add to the bubblegums and ice..I have 10 BIG BUD,10 Northern lights, 10 more bubblegums, 10 Crystal, 10 Ice, 10 white widow,and a newer strain, THC snow, plus 5 more fem bubbles from Nirvana they are sending because all from my last order didn't germ....think it's a hybrid, would reallly like to see this "hybrid vigor" they speak of!
And am wondering the best way to deal with planting them, since I have 50/50 chance of getting males, should I plant more than I plan on growing, maybe keep a male in a sep area if he shows outstanding qualities(I have this goal of making a new strain and naming it after my son, who was killed by a drunk driver out celebrating his 21st birthday) This new hobby has been very healing, plus it keeps my mind busy on learning new things all of the time, so it has really helped me deal with the grief.
Last round I wanted to germ them in a more/less sterile environment because I was moving them to rockwool, so I used half peat pots and half perlite (small experiment) and the ones I germed in the perlite ALL popped, and their roots were over an inch and a half longer at 4-5 days post germ than the ones in the expandible peat pots when I put them in rockwool...given the history of most of my roots wrapping the inner circle in the rockwool hole, how should I germ the next batch? I did order the 1" rockwool cubes, guess I can germ in them after the tap root comes out in perlite, just move them b4 the roots get too busy??
Any ideas/opinions?
Have a wonderful day all...
Now because 3 plants are just bare roots in hydroton,(edit: the ones I removed the rockwool from do still have small amounts of it close to the stem, I didn't dare start trying to pull it off there or i'd have surely pulled MORE roots)so they will hold a tad extra h2o than if they were just bare roots alone, right? I am going to have to water more often I am guessing, I am unsure how long hydroton holds moisture, but it should be longer now that they aren't blazing under the 1000 watter, seem to be healing themselves of problems in the fluorescent light, I have it about 2-3" above tops of plants (I can touch the bulbs when it's been running for hours so it doesn't put out the heat like the HIDs.)
Damn, IF I changed res every time the PH bounced up to 6.2, I'd be changing it every couple days, now your talking big money waste on nutes there, eh?
I make sure I look at my 3-way monitor above the res before every flood, but I am just NOT adding PH down, it has only drifted up to 6 so it's all good (before if it even went up to 5.9 i'd lower it back to 5.5)
This is what I mean by everyone having differing advice and opinions, someone told me early on to keep my PH at 5.5-5.6! Now hopefully the ones remaining in rockwool with catch up on root growth so the foliage can begin growing again..damn this "little setback" probably just costed me weeks, that is why it's so important to me to show problems very early on to hopefully avoid the delays and stunted growth, even with fem seeds I still may turn out hermies from the stress they have been through?
I sure hope not!
In other news, my newest seed order should be here within a few days, I am trying to decide what to add to the bubblegums and ice..I have 10 BIG BUD,10 Northern lights, 10 more bubblegums, 10 Crystal, 10 Ice, 10 white widow,and a newer strain, THC snow, plus 5 more fem bubbles from Nirvana they are sending because all from my last order didn't germ....think it's a hybrid, would reallly like to see this "hybrid vigor" they speak of!
And am wondering the best way to deal with planting them, since I have 50/50 chance of getting males, should I plant more than I plan on growing, maybe keep a male in a sep area if he shows outstanding qualities(I have this goal of making a new strain and naming it after my son, who was killed by a drunk driver out celebrating his 21st birthday) This new hobby has been very healing, plus it keeps my mind busy on learning new things all of the time, so it has really helped me deal with the grief.
Last round I wanted to germ them in a more/less sterile environment because I was moving them to rockwool, so I used half peat pots and half perlite (small experiment) and the ones I germed in the perlite ALL popped, and their roots were over an inch and a half longer at 4-5 days post germ than the ones in the expandible peat pots when I put them in rockwool...given the history of most of my roots wrapping the inner circle in the rockwool hole, how should I germ the next batch? I did order the 1" rockwool cubes, guess I can germ in them after the tap root comes out in perlite, just move them b4 the roots get too busy??
Any ideas/opinions?
Have a wonderful day all...