600 HPS,1000 HPS or 315 CMH for a 4x4?

Yodaweed

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TheChemist77

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IIRC, another member pulled a pound from a 400w HPS.

~454g/~400W = 1.135g/W

~400g/~315W = 1.269g/W

~454g/~315W = 1.441g/W

1.441g/W x 400W = 577g

I think it is time for a side-by-side.

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as u see above the 315 has better gpw,, i regularly pull 450 grams per 315,, i said 400 grams as i feel even a newbe can get 400 grams w a 315,, more expierienced growers get 1.4-1.5 gpw w cmh...some people are claiming 2 gpw w the 315 watt cmh,,, ive been trying,, i feel 2 gpw is out of reach best ive got so far was 1.61gpw but i normally get 1.5 gpw ..
 

Enigma

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Those were calculations that show how ridiculous it sounds when someone says, "grow twice as much with half the power."

If you say a 400w cannot pull a pound, while another has done just that, and then claim the 315w will do over 400g, then claim to get 500g from a 315w.... I smell something.. smells like bullshit.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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i dont know the difference in cmh 315 bulbs.. i ask whats the difference as u can buy diferent brand bulbs like ipower that show same lumens and spectrum for $50.00 a bulb wile the phillips master elite agro is $98.00...ive been told to stick w/ phillips but i really wish i knew why its better?? 2 ipowers for the price of 1 phillips,, im struggling w/ the desision what bulb to buy???

Growers house tested all the major brands of new 315's and the the Phillips bulbs both had measurably higher par.

They also had some uv a and b but ushio or one of the others had quite a bit more.

All the data is on growers house.

http://growershouse.com/blog/cmh-315w-lamp-comparison-test-data-review/
 

OneHitDone

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Run a 315 and don't worry about heat. The girls will like the 315 spectrum better than any MH/HPS. your electric bill will also be less.
Sorry bro, you guys always forget about the elephant in the room - the Hortilux Blue Metal Halide

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I would say OP would do well with a 600 HPS/MH in a 4x4 seeing how most 1000W growers are now agreeing that they can spread out to 30sq ft per light.
If heat and power budget are non-issues just drop a 1000 in there and enjoy the permagrin :bigjoint:
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Sorry bro, you guys always forget about the elephant in the room - the Hortilux Blue Metal Halide

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I would say OP would do well with a 600 HPS/MH in a 4x4 seeing how most 1000W growers are now agreeing that they can spread out to 30sq ft per light.
If heat and power budget are non-issues just drop a 1000 in there and enjoy the permagrin :bigjoint:

I was just going to bring the 600 blue up. So far it works great. All the benefits of the 315 but more coverage and more yield.

But to be sure I just put the Super hps back in in its place so back to 2 600w Hortilux Super hps.

Going backwards to compare!
 

Evil-Mobo

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I was just going to bring the 600 blue up. So far it works great. All the benefits of the 315 but more coverage and more yield.

But to be sure I just put the Super hps back in in its place so back to 2 600w Hortilux Super hps.

Going backwards to compare!
As I've said a million times the Blue MH is still my favorite lol. Brother @OneHitDone is the one who turned me onto it. I'm anxious to see your results on the comparison with the Super HPS..........
 

bryan100030

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Hi NewGuy123!!! The lighting depends on how many plants you are growing. I have heard 4 plants under a 600w HID/HPS works great. Ive also heard that using the SOG tech 12 plants can be fit under a 600w, but apparently does not matter how many plants you have, what ever wattage your light is, will determine how many plants you can have per square foot. During vegetation, 3000 lumens per square foot is optimal for growth, while in flower, 5000 lumens per square foot is optimal.

I have heard the amount of grams you will harvest if done right, no matter how many plants you have, will be determined by the wattage of your light (example; if you have a 600w HID/HPS, you will receive about 600 grams at harvest).

A 600w HID/HPS emits roughly 11k lumens per square foot. So if OP is using a 3'x3' tent, there is a total of 9' feet on surface/ground (don't know height, which can and should be included) when requiring 3000 lumens per square foot during veg, you will be able to load 27 plants in there theoretically (11,000 DIVIDED by 3000 = roughly 3 plants per square foot). Though if using a DWC system, the buckets will take up to much space, not allowing that many plants, but if using a SOG in a Nutrient film technique (NFT) 27 plants could be done. Like I said, your wattage determines your harvest weight in grams, but some don't agree with this cause they have not seen it done, I believe to acquire that theory (grams per how many watts your light is). I think it can be done when taking care of just 1 or maybe 2 plants, growing a single, or 2, monster or monsters.

Iam growing one (1) skunk #1 under a 600w in a DWC bucket system and plan on getting over 600 grams by using the LST and topping methods.

Hope this helps!!!
 

ANC

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I have a very crude rule of thumb for old tech lights, it works out accurately enough though.
I allocate 30 Watts per plant per week. So let's say I am growing a 10-week strain.
30 x10=300W.you can fit 2 x300s in a 600, so that is how many plants I would use.
Or let's say you use an 8-week plant, 30x8=240 so you can fit 4 of those to a 1000W.
This depends on your skill as a horticulturist, I have seen way too many 1-month-old matchstick plants.
 

TheChemist77

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all this talk about the 600 watt hps/mh,, i did multiple tests on my 4x6 table before i bought cmh.. i was running 2 600 watt hps, then 1 600 hps and 1 600 mh,, the 2 hps had a higher yield but the mix had better quality.. then i did a 1k run,, the 2 600's did way better than the 1,000watt hps.. i then tried 3 400 watt hps and yield was even w/ the 2 600's,, after that i combined 2 400 watt hps and 1 400 watt mh in the middle,, out of all the grows, the combined 400's had the best quality and bud size was more uniform than runs under 2 600's and the 1k.. if i was to go back to hps/mh i would run 400's.. if we are talking a single lamp to another the higher wattage one wins,,however if running multiple lights , like 2 600's or 3 400's both using 1200 total watts in my experience more smaller units get better coverage than less larger lights... i know sombody will now say,,, so 6 200 watt is better than 2 600's or 3 400's,,, my answer to that is I DONT KNOW i havnt tested it,,however logic tells me the penetration of the 200's would be maybe 2 ft,, wile 400's penetrate to 3' and 600's to 3na half or 4 ft, and a 1k 4.5 ft tall plants... if growing verticle this easily means higher wattage = better penetration,, however to SOG or SCROG growers who pack plants in to an area and only grow 2-3ft tall plants multiple lower watt units is the way to go.... i could be wrong..
 

genuity

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Why, then, do you prefer to use 600w HPS?

Why not use this new magical device for everything, Marty?!

Great Scott!

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I use 1000 watt lights...never cared much about what a light give me...

The main reason I ran/run lec is the spectrum...I wanted to see if I could see/taste the difference...

Plus it would take me like 18 315lec for my flower room...I don't got time for that.


I ran the 600 blue, vert...it did just fine...... now it hangs in the flower room,for my cloudy/rain simulation...
 

Enigma

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I use 1000 watt lights...never cared much about what a light give me...

The main reason I ran/run lec is the spectrum...I wanted to see if I could see/taste the difference...

Plus it would take me like 18 315lec for my flower room...I don't got time for that.


I ran the 600 blue, vert...it did just fine...... now it hangs in the flower room,for my cloudy/rain simulation...
You have two threads about using 600w, not a one about a 315w or 1000w.

If the 315w was worth a shit everyone would be using one.

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